Dwarves are in Dire Need of Mobility and Monsters

AbleHorstmann#8363

They struggle to hold ground during these years of monsterous additions to multiple factions! Dare say Dwarves deserve some of their own. The 2 different units of Rune Golems would do nicely! And as for mobility / monsterous units I think we would love to see the Thunderbarge foot the bill!

Thoughts?

Neodeinos#5871

We don't need every type of units for every races. Keep the asymmetry.

Arthas_Menethil#3421

They don't need Monsters they would make them more like Cathay. Not having Monsters is part of the asymmetry and identity.
Also arn't Miners meant to be their mobility before they got reduced to chaff?

Bastilean#7242

Hammerers are supposed to be monsters.

talonn#7575

Just because of domination mode? Nah..

CA need to change the concept of domination instead (eg. Landbattle with only 1 capture point)

VikingHuscal1066#5774

I kind of disagree.

I think that the Dwarves could certainly use the Rune Golems and Rune Guardians as types of monstrous infantry, but I don't think they need a ton of stuff, but rather, they need a nice buff to what they have as well.

Because the Dwarves are so limited, their infantry should be some of the best in the game.

Yeah, Miners shouldn't be beating Chaos Chosen like they're nothing, but their infantry should be able to outfight almost anything below them.

The dwarves should be all about quality troops over quantity ones.

Otters007#7127

I hate the Dwarfs playstyle exactly because they have no mobilty and monsters. I get the asymmetry argument, but personally, the way I see it is they are just no fun to play. You can literally go AFK with them and win. I hate commanding armies that minimise the importance of your input.

talonn#7575

Otters007 said:

I hate the Dwarfs playstyle exactly because they have no mobilty and monsters. I get the asymmetry argument, but personally, the way I see it is they are just no fun to play. You can literally go AFK with them and win. I hate commanding armies that minimise the importance of your input.

On the other hand, there are lots of other people who like turtle style. That's the beauty of this game, there alot more other factions for you to choose from

Shandalar#5373

So Dwarfs need to be... Chaos Dwarfs.

Seems legit.

Tyrant#1234

Alway thought Dwarfs were missing a steam tank type SEM, especially since they had one in old lore and even had a model. It was just never given an update compared to the Empire steam tank.

But no, Dwarfs shouldn't get fast cavalry, they already got Giros, some things should be kept asymetrical otherwise all the factions would just be reskins of the same units.

Jo_Proulx#5293

they have fast helicopters and it works, I know because they saved my ass from skavens in my VH Thorgrim campaign last year (before the Ironbrow update) were Eshin and Moors were snowballing and bee lining me.

Quinsec#2273

The issue I see is they don't have any T5 units - everything got bumped up, because that was where they were valued, and there has been no top shelf units since.

Billybabel#2821

talonn said:

Just because of domination mode? Nah..

CA need to change the concept of domination instead (eg. Landbattle with only 1 capture point)

Dwarfs are also trash in land battles too with the exception of like 3 matchups.

VikingHuscal1066#5774

Quinsec said:

The issue I see is they don't have any T5 units - everything got bumped up, because that was where they were valued, and there has been no top shelf units since.

Agreed, they need something to help them deal with the giant super units that other races have.

I personally think that they could really use a couple monstrous infantry units in the form of the Rune Golems and Guardians.

talonn#7575

Billybabel said:

talonn said:

Just because of domination mode? Nah..

CA need to change the concept of domination instead (eg. Landbattle with only 1 capture point)

Dwarfs are also trash in land battles too with the exception of like 3 matchups.

Hm not from my experience. They are somewhere in the middle.

Bloodydagger#9716

No. Dwarves are the turtle defensive race

Jo_Proulx#5293

For MP, wouldnt making slayers and copters cheaper fixing them without killing their concept?

talonn#7575

joproulx99 said:

For MP, wouldnt making slayers and copters cheaper fixing them without killing their concept?

That's actually not a bad idea

Docpain222#3241

I think most would love to see the thunderbarge in the next dwarf dlc

#568367

talonn said:

Just because of domination mode? Nah..

CA need to change the concept of domination instead (eg. Landbattle with only 1 capture point)

Let me add, minus the resummoning mechanic

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

I still say a hero with Population growth skill (Brewmaster) is needed; helps get the Dawi to upper tiers of tech sooner and keep up.

Wyvax#7456

Dwarfs are probably the most one-note roster in the entire game, so they do need help. Adding a few units of a different type shouldn't be so dramatic that it completely 180s their playstyle though. Rune Guardians would be the dawi equivilent of Treekin really, doubling down on the already defensive nature of the army by providing even more tankiness to their frontlines. Rune Golems would pretty much be Rogue Idols. Mobility is already provided by Gyros, though I argue that they alongside various other dwarf units such as Miners, Rangers and to an extent, Slayers, could use some buffs or reworks. Shard Dragons if they're ever added would have much in common with Dread Saurians in both SP and MP, limited access, expensive, and one heck of a distraction Carnifex in battle, and Thunderbarges are pretty much unanimously wanted. Aside from the meme worthy ram cavalry that gets brought up by the occasional wazzock, nothing that's been proposed would radically alter the dwarfen identity in battle, just either buff it or in the case of Rune Golems and Shard Dragons, provide a threat that forces the opponent to choose between dealing with it, or the dawi gunline, which is quite complementary.

MODIDDLY1#9212

I know it's similar to Skaven, but I've always thought that Dwarves would do well to have a "Menace Below" type ability that would allow you to summon miners on the battlefield. Would help them shut down range a bit

Itharus#3127

AbleHorstmann said:

They struggle to hold ground during these years of monsterous additions to multiple factions! Dare say Dwarves deserve some of their own. The 2 different units of Rune Golems would do nicely! And as for mobility / monsterous units I think we would love to see the Thunderbarge foot the bill!

Thoughts?

No. No they are not.

This is not how they are meant to be. It is not how they are designed. It is not how they are represented.

You know what Dwarfs have mobility and monsters, though? Dawi Zharr.

OdTengri#8235

AbleHorstmann said:

They struggle to hold ground during these years of monsterous additions to multiple factions! Dare say Dwarves deserve some of their own. The 2 different units of Rune Golems would do nicely! And as for mobility / monsterous units I think we would love to see the Thunderbarge foot the bill!

Thoughts?

I think that Lizardmen need Flying Sharks....

Dulahan#3120

With the Ally Outpost system and Ogre Mercs in IE I don't think those weaknesses will exist for them anymore.

Dreich#8722

dwarfs are perfect as they are.. they are just like in tabletop.. its good that they are diferent.. they got lots of shooting and slayers for dealig with giants etc... not every race needs everything... thats the beaty of the game. and dwarfs with monsters and cav are chaos dwarfs anyway

Pede#6322

All they need is the thunderbarge as a centerpiece anchor unit.

DaGangster#8697

Dwarves are great how they are. Gyros and slayers are a good part of the counter roster. Plus all their infantry are just solid.

OdTengri#8235

Dreich said:

dwarfs are perfect as they are.. they are just like in tabletop.. its good that they are diferent.. they got lots of shooting and slayers for dealig with giants etc... not every race needs everything... thats the beaty of the game.

If anything Dwarfs just need to more competently do the things they are meant to do.

Billybabel#2821

They need dwarf juggernauts. A mix between a steam tank and a battlewagon. Mounted with iron drakes or troll hammer torpedos, and a steam cannon on front.

then dwarf steam drillers, to trap stuff in place just like the skaven ones can, except maybe they can do it to one unit at a time but more often.

then I'd like a flamethrower gyro, and then thunder barges.