Realistic expectations for Race additions.

ALHDON

I think it's fair to say Chorfs are pretty much necessary for WH3 at this point. they got handed all that space on a silver platter, but the question everyone has is. "What's next for WH3". well, I believe we will at least get 2 races as the previous games set this precedent. but who will fill this gap? well, i think that variety and gameplay are important factors. and I think we can expect something along the lines of Ind or Kuresh (maybe both) in the future, otherwise, there will be 2 continents filled with filler races and other LL. the addition of the "great desert of Araby" province/settlement is interesting. but I believe Araby (if added) will be one of the later races as in my opinion we need those blank continents to be filled first and foremost. I don't exactly want to say Nippon and the Khanate are an absolute no-go. but if they're added I think it will be later in the life cycle. it is more probable to see Araby, Ind, Kuresh or even DOW before Nippon and Khanate. obviously, you have different opinions and I would like to see them.

in regards to amazons..... I am not expecting them......

ALHDON

I think chaos dwarves are necessary for the game at this point. they have been handed the space on a silver platter. but after chaos dwarves, everyone seems to have varying opinions on who should/deserves to be added to the game after the chaos dwarves (if that even is the first race). I believe it to be realistic to expect something along the lines of ind/kuresh to fill in the continents. otherwise, it will have filler races/LL. however contrary to this. I think it is unrealistic to expect Nippon (at this point in time) even though they share the same reasoning as ind/kuresh. I think we can expect Ind,Kuresh, Araby, DOW and even the Khanate before Nippon is a pipedream. IMO they are not as interesting or fill in a niche as the aforementioned races. I think the great desert of Araby's addition makes Araby more probable. but I still have my doubts. I think it's likely DOW will just become a mercenary mechanic (would prefer them as a race of course).

I think they should fill the empty space on the map with races and their respective lords and factions before we get the more... "interesting choices" (Nippon...Amazons etc). I don't think my assessment was unreasonable .but I'd like to see all your opinions on races to be added. and if you disagree with my statement. let me know why.

Goatforce#6625

I think DoW has a good shot of being added, but maybe in a more "Southern Realms" style. Maybe have a moderately small base roster but have access to a lot of interesting and exotic Dogs of War.

But yeah. CDs are a given, and always were. DoW I think have a very good shot. Ind and Khuresh are pretty good imo in terms of chances, not certain to be sure but a good shot. Khanate I would say is low, though I am biased but I think they are genuinely unlikely. The area they operate in has been shrunk massively, and is partially occupied in both RoC and IE, with the Darklands probably mostly going to CDs, but a lot of other areas of it probably spoken for (eg Northwest going to Neffy, Southwest to Nagash).

Just a point that with the implementation of Daniel, Nagash has a good chance of being a race of the DoC type race.

ALHDON

Goatforce said:

I think DoW has a good shot of being added, but maybe in a more "Southern Realms" style. Maybe have a moderately small base roster but have access to a lot of interesting and exotic Dogs of War.

But yeah. CDs are a given, and always were. DoW I think have a very good shot. Ind and Khuresh are pretty good imo in terms of chances, not certain to be sure but a good shot. Khanate I would say is low, though I am biased but I think they are genuinely unlikely. The area they operate in has been shrunk massively, and is partially occupied in both RoC and IE, with the Darklands probably mostly going to CDs, but a lot of other areas of it probably spoken for (eg Northwest going to Neffy, Southwest to Nagash).

Just a point that with the implementation of Daniel, Nagash has a good chance of being a race of the DoC type race.

I think khanate could expand the steppes and wastes north of Cathay. but they're not necessary to expand that space, and yes I expect the legions of nagash or whatever they may be called. but I think there may be more important races to add beforehand. a mix match undead faction doesn't seem as interesting as Ind/kuresh (in my opinion)

HarveyJames#1968

hoping hobgolin khanate is with chaos dwarf release

khuresh would be awesome

araby is a must at some point

maybe nippon is on the cards in the space they left on the east

more norsca style chaos tribes they havent really fleshed out yet

prob DoW/tilea etc

not sure how ind would look

Surge_2#1464

CDwarves
Nagash (Daniel-esque)
DoW/TEB
Hobgoblins

-- Fin

ALHDON

HarveyJames said:

hoping hobgolin khanate is with chaos dwarf release

khuresh would be awesome

araby is a must at some point

maybe nippon is on the cards in the space they left on the east

more norsca style chaos tribes they havent really fleshed out yet

prob DoW/tilea etc

not sure how ind would look

I think Kurgan etc will be more like sub-factions of Norsca (maybe name change to tribes of chaos.) in a similar fashion as I expect the monkey king to be rather than separate races.

Xpelled#4301

Everytime someone mentions the words "realistic expectations", I instantly reminded of the Vampire Coast and how unrealistic it would be to ever be added...

Simply put, if there is demand for it from the community whilst WH3 still remains profitable, chances are CA will add it down the line.

#1609

- Chaos Dwarves obvious
- Southern Realms / Dow in some form : plenty of new regions there. Probably not for nothing.
- Araby : the empty Great Desert is suspicious
- Ind/Khuresh : we'll likely get something there.
- Nippon : I really doubt the map can be expanded east.
- Hobgoblins : unlikely but the map could expand north.

ALHDON

Xpelled said:

Everytime someone mentions the words "realistic expectations", I instantly reminded of the Vampire Coast and how unrealistic it would be to ever be added...

Simply put, if there is demand for it from the community whilst WH3 still remains profitable, chances are CA will add it down the line.

this is very true. but we cannot expect something like that again as well, we are already expecting everything. Vampire coast was great because no one was expecting it, but in return made it so CA could NEVER do something like that again. I'm more focusing on which has more "viability" or "importance".however i do agree with your assessment

brago90

Chaos dwarves is, as you say, a necessity because their inclusion will populate an entire region of the map both by the chaos dwarves themselves and by the FLC that accompanies them (surely it will be a dwarf or an orc)

After this we have two equally likely options: Undead legions and Southern realms.
The first would bring all the undeath heavyweights (Nagash, Nameless, Neferata and Dieter or Walach Harkon) and should implement mechanics to subjugate characters from other races that have the same affiliation. With this the population of the dark lands would be completed.

The second would populate a region of the old world long ignored by CA in addition to completing the implementation of the caravan system and the mercenary system but by themselves they help little to populate the East.

Kuresh and Ind would certainly need to be populated in the future but I think populating the passable terrain is a priority.

steam_1645103964304RA1TBW

For me, after i see how it looks like the map for Ind and khuresh (TY to Greath Book Of Grudges channel) theyre very likely, cause if you see IM map, that area, althought its cover by a lot of trees you can see sections pretty define for a area that would not come, like the mountains of Ind and khuresh have some areas that are like swamps and other things.
The hobgoblin khanate, i dont think theyre gonna implement as a race, more as a subrace bia CD, cause they have hobgoblins and share a lot of units, with this last dlc and how the champions work, i kinda see them as a subfaction of CD, with obviously not chaos corruption, not having access to CD and his unique machines and some unique structures and units like wolves riders and chariots, giants and giant worms (you would think this is too much for a subfaction but theyre kinda of reskins of Greenskins units, except the worms).
Finally, i really dont know about araby, its kinda sad, cause i really like the arab style culture (aladdin movie as an example), with the genies, the palaces with round cupules, etc, but we have soo many factions around theyre that its kind of difficult to apply them, i would think that adding theyre like the mod OvN, with a pirate faction, far away from the desert, the main one on the capital, some other on the nehekara dessert and as a guest of mine some other near Ind, but how the thunderdome of southlands come to live its soo difficult to create one.
As for CD and DoW, theyre a must, they have a complete army book and are a really liked race.
If you ask me about Nagash as a race? well i really dont know, neferata and other lords can acompany him, but they work as vampire counts or Tomb Kings, even Nagash.

Xpelled#4301

ALHDON said:

Xpelled said:

Everytime someone mentions the words "realistic expectations", I instantly reminded of the Vampire Coast and how unrealistic it would be to ever be added...

Simply put, if there is demand for it from the community whilst WH3 still remains profitable, chances are CA will add it down the line.

this is very true. but we cannot expect something like that again as well, we are already expecting everything. Vampire coast was great because no one was expecting it, but in return made it so CA could NEVER do something like that again. I'm more focusing on which has more "viability" or "importance".however i do agree with your assessment

Oh absolutely, not to backpaddle on what I said. I said "chances are CA will add it", but I should have phrased it as "chances are CA MIGHT add it". Expecting CA to add every obscure race or part of lore, would in fact be utterly unrealistic. Expecting some unexpected thing, will totally be in the realm of possibilities considering their track record. I have faith.

Goatforce#6625

ALHDON said:

Goatforce said:

I think DoW has a good shot of being added, but maybe in a more "Southern Realms" style. Maybe have a moderately small base roster but have access to a lot of interesting and exotic Dogs of War.

But yeah. CDs are a given, and always were. DoW I think have a very good shot. Ind and Khuresh are pretty good imo in terms of chances, not certain to be sure but a good shot. Khanate I would say is low, though I am biased but I think they are genuinely unlikely. The area they operate in has been shrunk massively, and is partially occupied in both RoC and IE, with the Darklands probably mostly going to CDs, but a lot of other areas of it probably spoken for (eg Northwest going to Neffy, Southwest to Nagash).

Just a point that with the implementation of Daniel, Nagash has a good chance of being a race of the DoC type race.

I think khanate could expand the steppes and wastes north of Cathay. but they're not necessary to expand that space, and yes I expect the legions of nagash or whatever they may be called. but I think there may be more important races to add beforehand. a mix match undead faction doesn't seem as interesting as Ind/kuresh (in my opinion)

If the area north of Cathay was fogged like Khuresh (or the DL in WH2) then you might have a point, but there is a clear map edge there and we haven't seen CA completely alter a set map area before. I think if the area in the top right corner of the map is used it will be used to add Realms of Chaos, not to expand the Steppes. Could be wrong but I really don't see it.

Xihu#1413

BLUF: I want as many factions from the lore to be added to the game (even as IE-only content).

With that being said, here are the factions that I think are ‘likely’ to be added before development for TWW3 ends (not in any particular order):

1. Chaos Dwarfs
2. Southern Realms (with DoW mechanics)
3. Ind
4. Khuresh


Less likely, but still highly probable factions:

1. Nippon (with map expansion)
2. Araby (possibly with Southern Realms)
3. Hobgoblin Khanate


Hopeful, but lower probable factions:

1. Kurgan/Hung (possibly as a Norsca sub-faction)
2. Amazons (possibly as unique recruitable units (for humans/lizard men) in certain Lustrian provinces)
3. Halflings (added due to The Moot being it’s own province, not just a region. More likely a unique unit/hero can be recruited here for any human/dwarf faction that holds it)
4. Albion (would need to replace the Tzeench faction on the island as Be’Lekor’s initial opponent)


Other likely DLC/FLC/LPs (not full list by any means, but a few of the ones off the top of my head):

1. Money King (Cathay)
2. Jade Vampires (Vampire Counts)
3. Red Duke (Vampire Counts)
4. Neferata/Lahmia (Vampire Counts)
5. Nagash (Tomb Kings)
6. Boris Todbringer (Empire)

Red_Dox#2328

Regarding Ind, Khuresh, Nippon: "There's no plans to do them in the immediate or even long-term future."
1:20

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/sojlzi/andy_hall_on_khuresh_ind_and_nippon/

------Red Dox

SaintCorn#3148

At this point, realistic additions are hard to determine.



Looking at the Immortal Empires Map now, there is only one very obvious hole to be filled which is the Chaos Dwarfs. They're practically all but confirmed to be coming at some point.

After that, it's a lot more complicated. Ind and Khuresh are massive areas of playable space that are completely empty. As @Red_Dox has pointed out though, neither one is currently planned at the very least to be their own races. That doesn't preclude from coming, but they would still come later rather than sooner, and even then, nothing is guranteed for either of them. Khuresh is more likely than Ind in my opinion since Khuresh just seems to be more popular. Nippon isn't even on the map, so they're worse than Araby. And CA has said that they won't do Araby so many times that I can't get my hopes up for them that much even if they would be an excellent addition.

Hobgoblins have a decent shot in my opinion. Their lands, North of Cathay anyway, can be expanded upon as that area to the north can have space added to it since plenty expect the Realms of Chaos to go there. Likewise, as a race of nomads, they can be justified to be in a variety of places.

The amount of Vampires in Cathay makes me think that Jade Vampires could be a Vampire Coast situation. A very unexpected new race that pops up out of nowhere. However, there is also the possibility that we just get a single Jade-blooded Legendary Lord for a different Undead Race.

Nagash is pretty solid whether they go with just one Unique Race with Nagash alone or make it a campaign pack. Either route could fit the map at this point.

Dogs of War/Southern Realms feel dicey to me. The Southern Realms have been expanded, but Estalia is basically set to lose two of its settlements basically as soon as the game starts and die out before turn ten. Tilea is all but surrounded by hostile factions except Belegar if he survives and Skrag, who woulod just be neutral at best, if they don't lose that settlement to Aranessa within the first five turns. And Border Princes now start at war immediately with Skrag. So, they could still come, but the Southern Realms feel much like a monkey's paw at the moment. It feels like they're getting rid of the Empire Placeholders by making them lose to their surrounding enemies.

I suppose the most likely would be Nagash in some form whether a campaign pack or an FLC Daniel esque race pack.
Least Likely would be Ind and Khuresh and that is because I only really expect one of them after five or six years of development.

For everyone else, I feel like it more depends on who you like to where you will rank them.

Maedrethnir#1968

Realistic additions, hm, it's the ones that I want, which means all of them. Ind and Khuresh should be expanded, that's for sure. Their parts on the map look like big wounds,

Azileza#1643

Goatforce said:

I think DoW has a good shot of being added, but maybe in a more "Southern Realms" style. Maybe have a moderately small base roster but have access to a lot of interesting and exotic Dogs of War.

That's litteraly already what they were in 6th edition !

Dunabar#1872

Given what we have currently...I think these would be the most likely Races to be added in, and in no particular order after Dogs of War.

1. Chaos Dwarfs
   
2. Dogs of War
   
3. Kingdoms of Ind
   
4. Khuresh
   
5. Hobgoblin Khanate
   
6. Nippon
   

I would also add the Kurgan & Hung as well. But, I think CA would sooner roll them into Norsca as a "Tribes of the North" rebranding. But, I could be wrong as well.

Sagez#6761

Quote '' Araby, DOW and even the Khanate''

No offence @ALHDON, but thinking that Araby might come sooner than Hobgoblins is ridiculous. Eh, everyone will see what they want...

I'm kinda tired of downplaying the Hobgobbos, listen to Andy Hall interview and get used to it.

edit - typo

Matador974#7139

I would like to see the Ind region with the same complexity as Norsca and WoC together.

If the game works well, everything will come.

epic_160110304684zvoI1jJ

There are 7 races I see being potential race packs beyond chaos dwarfs

DOW, nagash, khuresh, ind, hobgoblins, araby, nippon. Some of those are pretty unlikely. You’ve also got stuff like halflings, Amazons and albion, which imo are much more likely to be part of other races

Sagez#6761

Why did you create another topic for the same issue? Let me copy paste my answer then.

Quote '' Araby, DOW and even the Khanate''

No offence @ALHDON, but thinking that Araby might come sooner than Hobgoblins is ridiculous. Eh, everyone will see what they want...

I'm kinda tired of downplaying the Hobgobbos, listen to Andy Hall interview and get used to it

Seriously posting the same topic again is odd.

Djau#5149

In terms of Map campaign importance after Chaos Dwarves...

1. Kingdoms of Ind
2. Snakemen of Khuresh

These three Campaign packs would allow for the Darklands to be finished and Ind and Khuresh's landmasses to be opened up as usable.

After that, Nippon would be next best with a map expansion to allow for Nippon's homeland.

If any more; then Dogs of War and Legions of Nagash. The last two major factions really left.

JToegiTheSnotling#6624

Sagez said:

Quote '' Araby, DOW and even the Khanate''

No offence @ALHDON, but thinking that Araby might come sooner than Hobgoblins is ridiculous. Eh, everyone will see what they want...

I'm kinda tired of downplaying the Hobgobbos, listen to Andy Hall interview and get used to it.

edit - typo

Very true. Personally not liking Hobgoblins doesn't make them less likely. They got infinitely more hints then Araby and Nippon.

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529

Chaos Dwarfs
Dogs of War
HobGoblin Khanate
Nippon

GoblinDoomStack#3145

Chaos Dwarves
Hobgoblins
Tilea/DoW/Southern Realms
Ind
Khuresh
Araby
Nippon

Preferably in that order

Bloodydagger#9716

I think CD, Ind and Khuresh are all we are getting.

Soltharus

I think Nagash / Neferata is a reasonable bet as a lord pack, you could use some of the endtimes models like Morghasts to spice up an undead roster for him

Ind and Kuresh is the glaring hole in the map, I'd be happy to see them added even at the expense of a smaller roster ect. I think expecting two fully realised, large roster race packs is a little hopeful - but two smaller lists, or a "lost kingdoms" combined list maby? A bare-bones Ind & Kuresh is still way beyond what most thought possible at WH1 launch

I dont know enough about Dogs of War / Southern Realms, but theres room to play there

Araby I think is the other one with potential, but like Ind / Kuresh, would take a lot of work to make a full scale, large roster race pack

Labria#2848

I expect only two missing races with own army books(Chaos Dwarfs and Dogs of War/Southern Realms).
Darklands, Estalia, Tilea and Border Princes areas will be full of placehold factions forever if we will not get these two races.
I can imagine we will get modern version of Dogs of War/Southern Realms will more focus to fantasy version of Italy/Spain than just random mix of units from others races.

After all, two previous games got only two campaign packs. I expect same thing for game 3. Anything else would be a bonus.