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I think CD, Khuresh and Ind are all we are getting for race packs.

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  • Sultschiem#8734Sultschiem#8734 Registered Users Posts: 3,499
    Dogs of War/Southern Realms will be in before Ind or Kuresh.

    I think out of the 2 potential candidates (ind or kuresh), Ind is more likely as they have the easier roster to do utilizing human infantry with some elephants, tigers tiger- and elephant-men etc. Meaning they only need a few more rigs for the elephant-men and tiger-men. They already got elephants and lions/sabretusks and I bet rakarth would love some elephants too ^^

    Dogs of War/Southern Realms is another very easy race for them to do as there are few new rigs needed AND its the perfect army to put in units from factions they won't make, including:
    - Amazons
    - Halflings
    - Albion Giants
    - Araby

    Which they could then use for unique landmarks unlocking the recruitment of these units to other factions.
  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 9,690
    Nyxilis said:

    But even if they went with his older model I'd expect them to jazz it up and change much of the art just by GW's request for a figure that remains extremely relevant to their current designs.

    They have a perfectly good new model that GW is still selling.
  • Goatforce#6625Goatforce#6625 Registered Users Posts: 8,448
    Nyxilis said:

    Goatforce said:

    Nyxilis said:

    Itharus said:

    ArneSo said:

    I only expect Chaos Dwarf, DoW and Undead Legion.

    If we are lucky also Hobgoblins and Serpent Naga if Khuresh.

    UL is awoken Nagash is End Times.

    Given that a sleeping Nagash has a shitfit and causes an end game crisis, I'm thinking Nagash as LL is unlikely. Maybe a LH, though.
    The nature of the crisis doesn't preclude Nagash from existing, because he could be a LL and still get effects with a slight rewording. That there has been an uptick on quotes referencing him I would hardly rule the guy out.

    Though people probably wont get his End Times form as they are not doing ET they'll probably get the figure he had on the TT before.

    It's really not that crazy to have Nagash about, he's popped up multiple times in history and the Skaven have to save the world. Again.
    Arkhan got his ETs model, and Nefferata probably will too if her faction banner is anything to go by (minus the Dread Abyssal ofc). So I don't see why Nagash wouldn't also get his ET model.

    But yeah Nagash is a virtual certainty imo, there have just been so many hints and nothing at all we have seen speaks against him being added.
    Because, Nagash's ET model is when he is boosted by the events of ET. Neffy is different and could very well just take that as it was a mere redesign where Nagash's was a lore based woosh.

    But even if they went with his older model I'd expect them to jazz it up and change much of the art just by GW's request for a figure that remains extremely relevant to their current designs.
    As @SerPus said, GW is selling a Nagash model now, I don't doubt that they would be quite insistant that CA use the new model that they are selling now, rather than one that has been out of production for decades.

    Nagash's redesign can easily just be explained away by CA, it doesn't need to be linked to the strict event sequence of the ETs. Furthermore the fact that we have had Mortarchs mentioned in TW means they are not just taking models, but also some narrative beats from the ETs anyway, so Nagash could theoretically return/have returned in a manner moderately similar to the ETs anyway, or at least in a manner that allows him to take the newer form.
  • Nyxilis#3646Nyxilis#3646 Registered Users Posts: 7,649
    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:

    But even if they went with his older model I'd expect them to jazz it up and change much of the art just by GW's request for a figure that remains extremely relevant to their current designs.

    They have a perfectly good new model that GW is still selling.
    In Age of Sigmar, which is again, powered up Nagash.
  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 9,690
    Nyxilis said:

    In Age of Sigmar, which is again, powered up Nagash.

    The point is that the game acts as a promotional material for the stuff that GW is selling. Most daemon models in the game are AoS models. And Nagash's model is from WHFB anyway.
  • Nyxilis#3646Nyxilis#3646 Registered Users Posts: 7,649
    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:

    In Age of Sigmar, which is again, powered up Nagash.

    The point is that the game acts as a promotional material for the stuff that GW is selling. Most daemon models in the game are AoS models. And Nagash's model is from WHFB anyway.
    Most is a gross understatement, because most of those units are WHFB units, they just updated the art. Because with the daemons it's different because they just upgrade them as a whole and the daemons of WHFB are the deamons of AoS. They're not different things.

    Nagash's later form is a different form from story.

    And you're right it's promotional material, but you'll find that they have not used updated art for the majority of undead. So this does not hold water.
  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 9,690
    Nyxilis said:

    They're not different things.

    Neither is Nagash.
    Nyxilis said:

    And you're right it's promotional material, but you'll find that they have not used updated art for the majority of undead. So this does not hold water.

    They used ET model for Arkhan. Everything else is also using the latest avalable model.


  • Nyxilis#3646Nyxilis#3646 Registered Users Posts: 7,649
    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:

    They're not different things.

    Neither is Nagash.
    Nyxilis said:

    And you're right it's promotional material, but you'll find that they have not used updated art for the majority of undead. So this does not hold water.

    They used ET model for Arkhan. Everything else is also using the latest avalable model.


    Read the lore, because you'd realize Nagash is.

    You know, Age of Sigmar.. Nagash is a literal god. Warhammer Fantasy, Nagash is... not a god. This means not the same.

    Arkhan's model didn't matter as it's just an art change and not relevant to the ascension of god hood and still stuck within the vein of the TK, not with any other undead revamps GW did.
  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 9,690
    Nyxilis said:

    You know, Age of Sigmar.. Nagash is a literal god. Warhammer Fantasy, Nagash is... not a god. This means not the same.

    The model is the same.

  • Nyxilis#3646Nyxilis#3646 Registered Users Posts: 7,649
    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:

    You know, Age of Sigmar.. Nagash is a literal god. Warhammer Fantasy, Nagash is... not a god. This means not the same.

    The model is the same.

    Because ET Nagash is still powered up Nagash.

    I know some people have huge lore gaps. Part of ET is Nagash goes whole hog on the power trip.

    And we are not there.

    Arkhan was an art change, nothing more, nothing less.

    Nagash is a huge power change.
  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 9,690
    Nyxilis said:

    Because ET Nagash is still powered up Nagash.

    He's not a god like in AoS, but he still uses the same model.
    Nyxilis said:


    And we are not there.

    Not where exactly? It's safe to assume that TWW Nagash will be like ET Nagash.
  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,587
    Nyxilis said:

    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:

    You know, Age of Sigmar.. Nagash is a literal god. Warhammer Fantasy, Nagash is... not a god. This means not the same.

    The model is the same.

    Because ET Nagash is still powered up Nagash.

    I know some people have huge lore gaps. Part of ET is Nagash goes whole hog on the power trip.

    And we are not there.

    Arkhan was an art change, nothing more, nothing less.

    Nagash is a huge power change.
    CA won’t use the ancient Nagash model from 4th when they can use the absolutely amazing ET model.
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  • Nyxilis#3646Nyxilis#3646 Registered Users Posts: 7,649
    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:

    Because ET Nagash is still powered up Nagash.

    He's not a god like in AoS, but he still uses the same model.
    Nyxilis said:


    And we are not there.

    Not where exactly? It's safe to assume that TWW Nagash will be like ET Nagash.
    Well thanks for proving you know nothing about the lore. "Nagash is the god of death and the Supreme Lord of the Undead in the Mortal Realms. It is he who rules over the Realm of Shyish and its many underworlds. "

    Hey lets look at his title next. "God of Undeath"

    He is a god.

    And the reason he is powered up in End Times is: "However, shortly after his resurrection, he did manage to bind the Wind of Death to his will, causing him to become a living avatar of Shyish."

    So no, this timelines Nagash is not the same thing, he is a god in Age of Sigmar.

    Go read the lore before you try to have this conversation.
  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 9,690
    Nyxilis said:


    He is a god.

    In AoS, not in ET

  • Nyxilis#3646Nyxilis#3646 Registered Users Posts: 7,649
    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:


    He is a god.

    In AoS, not in ET


    However, shortly after his resurrection, he did manage to bind the Wind of Death to his will, causing him to become a living avatar of Shyish.



    And you still can't figure out why ET nagash is different from preET nagash.

    Some just haven't a clue on the lore.
  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,587
    Nyxilis said:

    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:


    He is a god.

    In AoS, not in ET


    However, shortly after his resurrection, he did manage to bind the Wind of Death to his will, causing him to become a living avatar of Shyish.



    And you still can't figure out why ET nagash is different from preET nagash.

    Some just haven't a clue on the lore.
    We can get the old rules but the new model. You are aware of that aren’t you?
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  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 9,690
    Nyxilis said:

    And you still can't figure out why ET nagash is different from preET nagash.

    None of pre-ET Nagash forms were around in the current timeframe. We are getting ET variant of Nagash, just with different lore of how he was ressurected.
  • Goatforce#6625Goatforce#6625 Registered Users Posts: 8,448
    Nyxilis said:

    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:


    He is a god.

    In AoS, not in ET


    However, shortly after his resurrection, he did manage to bind the Wind of Death to his will, causing him to become a living avatar of Shyish.



    And you still can't figure out why ET nagash is different from preET nagash.

    Some just haven't a clue on the lore.
    And he likely looked around about the same after he resurrected but before he swallowed any gods.....

    I'm sorry but it is mind boggling with the leeway CA has with the lore (looking at Repanse for example) that you can't concieve of the possibility that CA could play with the lore to justify Nagash looking like he does in the ETs without needing to recreate very specific story events.

    What next? Nagash can't be added to the game because in the ETs he requires Volkmar to be dead to do it?
  • Lord_Zarkov#7252Lord_Zarkov#7252 Registered Users Posts: 1,920
    Nyxilis said:

    SerPus said:

    Nyxilis said:


    He is a god.

    In AoS, not in ET


    However, shortly after his resurrection, he did manage to bind the Wind of Death to his will, causing him to become a living avatar of Shyish.



    And you still can't figure out why ET nagash is different from preET nagash.

    Some just haven't a clue on the lore.
    In the first ET book there are multiple events taking place before Nagash fully binds Shyish to him or chows down on Usiren et al (which happens at the very end) and his art is consistent all the way through.

    Nagash’s new art style is not dependent on him being a God.

    And frankly the new model is equivalent in scale to the old one once you account for general scale creep between 4th and 8th and even the swirly spirits are in his description in the ToL books set before he even becomes massive and skeletal.
  • Valkaar#2507Valkaar#2507 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,758
    edited August 15

    Dogs of War/Southern Realms will be in before Ind or Kuresh.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Norsca.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Vampire Coast.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Cathay.

    Many people (I don't know if I want to push it to 'most', it was close) thought we would be getting DoW before Kislev.

    I think the DoW camp needs to cool their jets regarding the absolute certainty with which they believe the DoW are going to arrive before obscure, previously undeveloped Races. CA CLEARLY has a preferential tendency to want to explore and expand those footnote Races where possible.

    I'm not saying DoW aren't coming. I'm not saying they aren't coming first. It's definitely possible they could arrive. They could even arrive first. But at this point, it's equally possible they could arrive way later, if at all.
  • Kn_Gars#2718Kn_Gars#2718 Registered Users Posts: 3,275
    Valkaar said:

    Dogs of War/Southern Realms will be in before Ind or Kuresh.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Norsca.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Vampire Coast.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Cathay.

    Many people (I don't know if I want to push it to 'most', it was close) thought we would be getting DoW before Kislev.

    I think the DoW camp needs to cool their jets regarding the absolute certainty with which they believe the DoW are going to arrive before obscure, previously undeveloped Races. CA CLEARLY has a preferential tendency to want to explore and expand those footnote Races where possible.

    I'm not saying DoW aren't coming. I'm not saying they aren't coming first. It's definitely possible they could arrive. They could even arrive first. But at this point, it's equally possible they could arrive way later, if at all.
    You mean the footnote races that CA consistently tells us are not coming? Frankly I think that tings are pretty bleak for both DoW and the footnotes. Had CA had serious plans for the "footnote races" they would not have spent so much time telling us that they are not part of their plans. Instead they would have done what they did with Kislev and Cathay and just kept silent. Now they could still pull a surprise race out the hat in a few years time but I still think the odds are low rather than high.
    The user formerly known as KN_Gars, thanks for the involunatry rename CA.
  • Valkaar#2507Valkaar#2507 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,758
    KN_Gars said:

    Valkaar said:

    Dogs of War/Southern Realms will be in before Ind or Kuresh.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Norsca.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Vampire Coast.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Cathay.

    Many people (I don't know if I want to push it to 'most', it was close) thought we would be getting DoW before Kislev.

    I think the DoW camp needs to cool their jets regarding the absolute certainty with which they believe the DoW are going to arrive before obscure, previously undeveloped Races. CA CLEARLY has a preferential tendency to want to explore and expand those footnote Races where possible.

    I'm not saying DoW aren't coming. I'm not saying they aren't coming first. It's definitely possible they could arrive. They could even arrive first. But at this point, it's equally possible they could arrive way later, if at all.
    You mean the footnote races that CA consistently tells us are not coming? Frankly I think that tings are pretty bleak for both DoW and the footnotes. Had CA had serious plans for the "footnote races" they would not have spent so much time telling us that they are not part of their plans. Instead they would have done what they did with Kislev and Cathay and just kept silent. Now they could still pull a surprise race out the hat in a few years time but I still think the odds are low rather than high.
    Oh I overall agree.

    I mentioned earlier in this thread that Chaos Dwarfs are the only ones I'm meaningfully confident in.

    I'm sure we're getting SOMEBODY else in addition to the Chaos Dwarfs. But I'm at a loss to decisively predict who that SOMEBODY is specifically, as every remaining candidate has some serious factors working against them.

    ^But this being the case, with Hobgoblins, Nagash, Ind, Khuresh, DoW, etc. all having things not in their favor........

    I find DoW fans in disproportionately high numbers speak with this misplaced certainty. "They're coming". "They had an armybook so they instantly outrank everything else." etc. etc.

    Not, "they're likely". Not, "I think they're coming". Not, "they're my favorite so I'd like them the most."

    Instead, it's just, "it's a done deal. Obviously. Certain as a sunrise".

    ^And so yeah, when I see that kind of tone crop up, I don't see a problem putting some cold water on it.

    But yes, I agree and fully understand that CA proactively deconfirming Ind and Khuresh doesn't look good for them either.
  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,587
    Valkaar said:

    Dogs of War/Southern Realms will be in before Ind or Kuresh.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Norsca.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Vampire Coast.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Cathay.

    Many people (I don't know if I want to push it to 'most', it was close) thought we would be getting DoW before Kislev.

    I think the DoW camp needs to cool their jets regarding the absolute certainty with which they believe the DoW are going to arrive before obscure, previously undeveloped Races. CA CLEARLY has a preferential tendency to want to explore and expand those footnote Races where possible.

    I'm not saying DoW aren't coming. I'm not saying they aren't coming first. It's definitely possible they could arrive. They could even arrive first. But at this point, it's equally possible they could arrive way later, if at all.
    DoW were always meant to come in WH3, the game that added Ogres, the Dark Lands and Cathay.
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  • Goatforce#6625Goatforce#6625 Registered Users Posts: 8,448
    Oh, and @Nyxilis, here is the official artwork of Nagash's resurrection I believe:



    Notice that as he is literally being resurrected, therefore before he hs bound the Wind of Death or eaten any gods, he appears as his newer model.

    His new look is therefore canonically not connected with him becoming a god or being supercharged, it is simply the new form that he took, and kept when he later ascended.
  • CthulhuChild81CthulhuChild81 Registered Users Posts: 187
    edited August 15
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  • Blood-MeridianBlood-Meridian Registered Users Posts: 12
    DoW should be the mercenary camp, just remove the ogre mercs or keep some as RoR's from the DoW camps/ports. Ind and Khuresh are more interesting and CA do good work when allowed to be creative: VC, Cathay, Kislev ett cetera.
  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,587

    DoW should be the mercenary camp, just remove the ogre mercs or keep some as RoR's from the DoW camps/ports. Ind and Khuresh are more interesting and CA do good work when allowed to be creative: VC, Cathay, Kislev ett cetera.

    DoW/SR have their own independent City state nations just like Ogres have their own independent Kingdoms.

    So if Ogres are a proper race on the map, DoW are too.
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  • Valkaar#2507Valkaar#2507 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,758
    edited August 15
    ArneSo said:

    Valkaar said:

    Dogs of War/Southern Realms will be in before Ind or Kuresh.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Norsca.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Vampire Coast.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Cathay.

    Many people (I don't know if I want to push it to 'most', it was close) thought we would be getting DoW before Kislev.

    I think the DoW camp needs to cool their jets regarding the absolute certainty with which they believe the DoW are going to arrive before obscure, previously undeveloped Races. CA CLEARLY has a preferential tendency to want to explore and expand those footnote Races where possible.

    I'm not saying DoW aren't coming. I'm not saying they aren't coming first. It's definitely possible they could arrive. They could even arrive first. But at this point, it's equally possible they could arrive way later, if at all.
    DoW were always meant to come in WH3, the game that added Ogres, the Dark Lands and Cathay.
    Not at all.

    DoW have WAY more association with the Races and geography of the Game 1 and 2 maps. Areas like Tilea, Sartosa, the Southlands, and the New World Colonies, etc. DoW are not strongly associated with Cathay or the Dark Lands. Physically being referenced is not the same thing as having a strong association.

    I understand they are a flexible Race and can fit anywhere. It's one of their advantages. But physically being able to squeeze in somewhere doesn't mean that it's where their 'best fit' is or where they were 'meant' to be.

    If you're talking about where MOST of their Lords, Lore, Units/Regiments, Homelands, etc. are referenced, it's almost all Game 1/2 locations. You have to scratch at the footnotes to find Game 3 associated locations and such.

    They are not 'more associated' with Game 3's setting over Game 1/2's.

    Game 3 is just 'what's left'. Which may be sufficient for them. We'll see.

    But Game 3 wasn't 'meant' for them just because it can physically made to work in a jenga-like way.

    As an counter example of what ACTUALLY being 'meant' for Game 3 looks like...in terms of geography/lore etc., it's the Chaos Dwarfs. Which is why I have confidence for them and so does everyone else.

    But by your logic, the Lizardmen were 'meant' to based in Albion rather than Lustria just because they physically have a reference there 🙄.

    The weight of Lizardmen references are in Lustria. That's where they're 'meant' to be. Similarly, DoW were 'meant' for a Game 1/2 setting and were just passed over at the time.

    Now people are just falling back to the Plan B of hoping one of DoW's 'Albion-level' references works out for them. Which it might. We'll see.
  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,587
    Valkaar said:

    ArneSo said:

    Valkaar said:

    Dogs of War/Southern Realms will be in before Ind or Kuresh.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Norsca.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Vampire Coast.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Cathay.

    Many people (I don't know if I want to push it to 'most', it was close) thought we would be getting DoW before Kislev.

    I think the DoW camp needs to cool their jets regarding the absolute certainty with which they believe the DoW are going to arrive before obscure, previously undeveloped Races. CA CLEARLY has a preferential tendency to want to explore and expand those footnote Races where possible.

    I'm not saying DoW aren't coming. I'm not saying they aren't coming first. It's definitely possible they could arrive. They could even arrive first. But at this point, it's equally possible they could arrive way later, if at all.
    DoW were always meant to come in WH3, the game that added Ogres, the Dark Lands and Cathay.
    Not at all.

    DoW have WAY more association with the Races and geography of the Game 1 and 2 maps.

    I understand they are a flexible Race and can fit anywhere. It's one of their advantages. But physically being able to squeeze in somewhere doesn't mean that it's where their 'best fit' is or where they were 'meant' to be.

    If you're talking about where MOST of their Lords, Lore, Units/Regiments, Homelands, etc. are referenced, it's almost all Game 1/2 locations. You have to scratch at the footnotes to find Game 3 associated locations and such.

    They are not 'more associated' with Game 3's setting over Game 1/2's.

    Game 3 is just 'what's left'. Which may be sufficient for them. We'll see.

    But Game 3 wasn't 'meant' for them just because it can physically made to work in a jenga-like way.

    As an counter example of what ACTUALLY being 'meant' for Game 3 looks like...in terms of geography/lore etc., it's the Chaos Dwarfs. Which is why I have confidence for them and so does everyone else.

    But by your logic, the Lizardmen were 'meant' to based in Albion rather than Lustria just because they physically have a reference there 🙄.

    The weight of Lizardmen references are in Lustria. That's where they're 'meant' to be. Similarly, DoW were 'meant' for a Game 1/2 setting and were just passed over at the time.

    Now people are just falling back to the Plan B of hoping one of DoW's 'Albion-level' references works out for them.
    Read their Armybook bro. Adding DoW before Ogres, the Dark Lands and trade Routes to Cathay are on the map would be weird.

    Sure they were possible in WH2, but WH3 is simply way better suited for them.
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  • Valkaar#2507Valkaar#2507 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,758
    ArneSo said:

    Valkaar said:

    ArneSo said:

    Valkaar said:

    Dogs of War/Southern Realms will be in before Ind or Kuresh.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Norsca.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Vampire Coast.

    Most people thought we would be getting DoW before Cathay.

    Many people (I don't know if I want to push it to 'most', it was close) thought we would be getting DoW before Kislev.

    I think the DoW camp needs to cool their jets regarding the absolute certainty with which they believe the DoW are going to arrive before obscure, previously undeveloped Races. CA CLEARLY has a preferential tendency to want to explore and expand those footnote Races where possible.

    I'm not saying DoW aren't coming. I'm not saying they aren't coming first. It's definitely possible they could arrive. They could even arrive first. But at this point, it's equally possible they could arrive way later, if at all.
    DoW were always meant to come in WH3, the game that added Ogres, the Dark Lands and Cathay.
    Not at all.

    DoW have WAY more association with the Races and geography of the Game 1 and 2 maps.

    I understand they are a flexible Race and can fit anywhere. It's one of their advantages. But physically being able to squeeze in somewhere doesn't mean that it's where their 'best fit' is or where they were 'meant' to be.

    If you're talking about where MOST of their Lords, Lore, Units/Regiments, Homelands, etc. are referenced, it's almost all Game 1/2 locations. You have to scratch at the footnotes to find Game 3 associated locations and such.

    They are not 'more associated' with Game 3's setting over Game 1/2's.

    Game 3 is just 'what's left'. Which may be sufficient for them. We'll see.

    But Game 3 wasn't 'meant' for them just because it can physically made to work in a jenga-like way.

    As an counter example of what ACTUALLY being 'meant' for Game 3 looks like...in terms of geography/lore etc., it's the Chaos Dwarfs. Which is why I have confidence for them and so does everyone else.

    But by your logic, the Lizardmen were 'meant' to based in Albion rather than Lustria just because they physically have a reference there 🙄.

    The weight of Lizardmen references are in Lustria. That's where they're 'meant' to be. Similarly, DoW were 'meant' for a Game 1/2 setting and were just passed over at the time.

    Now people are just falling back to the Plan B of hoping one of DoW's 'Albion-level' references works out for them.
    Read their Armybook bro. Adding DoW before Ogres, the Dark Lands and trade Routes to Cathay are on the map would be weird.

    Sure they were possible in WH2, but WH3 is simply way better suited for them.
    Their Armybook mentions Tilea and Estalia WAY more than Cathay and the Dark Lands.

    Even for overseas expeditions, they have more references to looking for treasure in the New World and old Tomb Kings ruins than Game 3 areas.

    Arguing otherwise is patently disingenuous and you know it.
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