Which option for Grand Cathay DLC would be best?

MagosHal#5659

This is in regards to 2 of the Dragon Lords (Li Dao and Yin Yin) and 2 non-Dragon Lords (Monkey King and perhaps another Cathayan LL)

1) 2 FLC Dragon Lords and 2 DLC Non-Dragon Lords

2) 1 DLC Dragon and Non-Dragon Lord, and 1 FLC Dragon and Non-Dragon Lord

To further explain

If it's option 1, then we can have Monkey King themed DLC units and another Cathayan themed DLC units (Either Jade Blooded or Kung-Fu themed)

If its option 2, then we can have either Li-Dao or Yin-Yin as the DLC lords (water themed units and fire themed units respectively) and either Monkey King or Whatever else (Monkey themed units and Jade-Blooded Kung-Fu themed units)

kaiki_utokyo#9006

Option 2

Monkey King is more likely DLC.
And why do you ignore Yuan Bo, who has the most hints in loading screen than his siblings?

I hope there is a FLC sibling (Yuan Bo) along with Chaos Drawfs race pack.
Then in early 2023 Monke vs Changeling DLC, with Li Dao as the FLC lord.
At last in 2024 or even 2025 the Yin Yin DLC (vs Aislin) comes out.

DarthEnderX-#6513

3 dragon, 1 monkey 4-pack.

Rulitlimoc

Option 1

I has to be option 1. I believe the East and South Dragon siblings are going to share the Compass mechanic, as they are also defenders of Cathay. Perfect for FLC.

While non-Dragon Lords are perfect for DLC, as they would bring something fresh for Cathay. The Monkey King is the most likely candidate for a Lord Pack, and personally I would like to see the Jade Vampires in Cathay, with some units being shared to V. Counts or Coast.

mewade44#6520

Option 2

Think monkey king and some other lord with a brief name mention from lore

kratostatic#8948

Option 2

I'm expecting 3 Dragon themed LLs, and 1 Monkey King tbh; all but 1 of the dragons being DLC (so 3 LP halfs). I think traditional LPs suit Cathay much better than CoC style packs would - they need opponents more than they need internal fleshingout.

Heretical_Cactus#7598

Option 2

Apart from race pack the next 2 should be crossover

Kislev/Norsca: Baba Yaga vs Beorg

Cathay/BM or LM: Monkey King vs Moon guys

Then we would allow the Konogod again.

Empire/Tzeentch: Ar Ulric vs Egrimm

Or VCount/Tzeentch: Neferata vs Changeling

Dwarf/Khorne: Grimm vs Skarr (+LH: Malakai vs Scylla)

Elf (Dark or High)/Slaanesh: Finubar or Aisling vs Dechala

If VCount/Tzeentch:

Empire/Nurgle: Elspeth vs Tamurkhan

Else: Bretonnia/Nurgle: Bertrand or Bohemond vs Glottkin

RikRiorik#9890

Option 1

I can always be swayed by interesting new lore or implementations but so far we’ve only had two Dragon Lords and I’m already sick of them.

I’d dearly like for them to delve into something that isn’t a differently coloured animé character who can turn into a dragon. The melee dragon and the ranged dragon didn’t really do it for me.

Captain_Rex#1635

Monke, Li Dau and Yuan Bo as DLC.

Yin Yin as FLC alongside Chaos Dwarfs searching for the navigation stone.

OdTengri#8235

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

Captain_Rex#1635

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

OdTengri#8235

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

Captain_Rex#1635

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

Gelt has an unknown origin (probably Estalia), that doesn’t make him a DoW character.

Monke is a Cathay character. Period. He is confirmed to be part of the Cathay Armybook.

razenb#1517

Option 3:
Get rid of Cathay and add nippon + kuresh instead

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

I really do not think we'll get 4 LL packs as standard in future. This strikes me as a one off thing for WoC.

That said Monkey king with Monkey warriors is the most obvious DLC for Cathay.

OdTengri#8235

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

Captain_Rex#1635

OdTengri said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

He is a Cathay character. This isn’t up for debate. Your Head Canon doesn’t matter.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

OdTengri said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

Yes. He's not a Dragon Sibling.

OdTengri#8235

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

He is a Cathay character. This isn’t up for debate. Your Head Canon doesn’t matter.

So your saying that the Monky King is Cathayan according to CA

But Monkey Warriors are from Ind according to GW.

Seems odd that they wouldn't go together.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

He is a Cathay character. This isn’t up for debate. Your Head Canon doesn’t matter.

So your saying that the Monky King is Cathayan according to CA

But Monkey Warriors are from Ind according to GW.

Seems odd that they wouldn't go together.

This doesn't say all Monkey Warriors are from ind?

That also doesn't overwrite the current lore.

Captain_Rex#1635

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

He is a Cathay character. This isn’t up for debate. Your Head Canon doesn’t matter.

So your saying that the Monky King is Cathayan according to CA

But Monkey Warriors are from Ind according to GW.

Seems odd that they wouldn't go together.

His Realm is north of Ind in the MoH. That’s correct.

But he is a Cathay character. This is confirmed by GW and CA.

End of discussion.

Captain_Rex#1635

Monkey Warriors are confirmed to be the second biggest population in Cathay after humans. They also live in Northern Ind yes but they are mainly a Cathayan subspecies.

This has been literally confirmed by both CA and GW.

Maedrethnir#1968

With the exception of the Monkey King, I want them all to be dragons.

OdTengri#8235

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

He is a Cathay character. This isn’t up for debate. Your Head Canon doesn’t matter.

So your saying that the Monky King is Cathayan according to CA

But Monkey Warriors are from Ind according to GW.

Seems odd that they wouldn't go together.

His Realm is north of Ind in the MoH. That’s correct.

But he is a Cathay character. This is confirmed by GW and CA.

End of discussion.

Got a source for that?

Captain_Rex#1635

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

He is a Cathay character. This isn’t up for debate. Your Head Canon doesn’t matter.

So your saying that the Monky King is Cathayan according to CA

But Monkey Warriors are from Ind according to GW.

Seems odd that they wouldn't go together.

His Realm is north of Ind in the MoH. That’s correct.

But he is a Cathay character. This is confirmed by GW and CA.

End of discussion.

Got a source for that?

Listen to the interviews with Andy Hall.

Everything is explained there.

He also literally confirmed that even if the Monkey King wants to overthrow the Dragons and acts a little antagonistic, he is still a stalwart defender of Cathay.

Monkey Warriors are confirmed to be the second biggest population in Cathay after humans and they are a very important part of its Military.

This is common knowledge at this point. You have to catch up pal.

OdTengri#8235

ArneSo said:

Monkey Warriors are confirmed to be the second biggest population in Cathay after humans. They also live in Northern Ind yes but they are mainly a Cathayan subspecies.

This has been literally confirmed by both CA and GW.

I mean really... CA's own Blog on the matter says that little is known about the fate of the Monky King.

I mean I'm actually providing sources... your just huffing an puffing...

Captain_Rex#1635

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

Monkey Warriors are confirmed to be the second biggest population in Cathay after humans. They also live in Northern Ind yes but they are mainly a Cathayan subspecies.

This has been literally confirmed by both CA and GW.

I mean really... CA's own Blog on the matter says that little is known about the fate of the Monky King.

I mean I'm actually providing sources... your just huffing an puffing...

My last comment got eaten by the forum
Void after an edit… will show up in a but hopefully.

Short answer, listen to Andy’s interviews.

Maedrethnir#1968

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

ArneSo said:

OdTengri said:

Monkey people are confirmed from Ind

Monkey King is "Hanuman" and one of the 2 starting lords for Ind.

You really wanna farm those disagrees eh?

He is a Cathay LL. His start position will be the MoH.

No he's not... he's of an Unknown Origin and he usurped the Rule of Cathay... that doesn't make him Cathayan.

This is contrary to what the game says and to what CA staff have said in interviews.

It's very clear he is Cathayan in nature.

No its not... just look at CA's blog on the Issue... they say the Monky King invaded from the south. He didn't lead a revolt or rebellion he invaded from what we can only presume was another nation to the south.

I think all this "he's Cathayan nonsense" is just powerful head canon left unchecked.


https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

He is a Cathay character. This isn’t up for debate. Your Head Canon doesn’t matter.

So your saying that the Monky King is Cathayan according to CA

But Monkey Warriors are from Ind according to GW.

Seems odd that they wouldn't go together.

His Realm is north of Ind in the MoH. That’s correct.

But he is a Cathay character. This is confirmed by GW and CA.

End of discussion.

Got a source for that?

This video, methinks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-waUnCZ7g

If I'm not-right, then it is still worth listening to!

Halfwic

Option 2

DarthEnderX said:

3 dragon, 1 monkey 4-pack.

No more 4pack, 4pack bad

Slugus#5078

Option 3. Standard LLD pack with Cathay vs someone else preferably someone who needs a rework + 1 FLC lord.

Perhaps Cathay vs Norsca with rework + 1 FLC Nosrca LLD to bring them up to 4 which along with their rework should be all they really need to finish them off.

Monkey King would be great but seeing as he is really a VS Cathay LLD and needs quite a few new units with fresh assets then it could be Cathay with 1 Dragon sibling, monkey king + FLC LLD (a non dragon option would be nice)