Does the Empire or Bretonnia have better knights?

LuminousKnight

Uagrim#4644

Bretonnians

How is that even a question?

Kayosiv#7489

Bretonnians

Empire Knights have better armor and better morale.

Bretonnian knights have better training, better horses, and the blessing of the lady.

Empire Knights are excellent but Brettonian speed, formation practice, and faith gives them a slight edge.

Krabbz#7495

Empire

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

KIT#5531

Bretonnians

The Bretonian cav. is better in general but the demis are souhld be superior caus they sloughter horess.

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

Why is the Empires cav. better?

Nazjax#2857

Lore question or in the game ?

Because technicaly demigryffons beat grail knights and guardians.
But knights of the realm are just better than empire knights and reiksguard.
Bretonnia knights are more cost efficient and have more variety.

PS : Boost Bretonnia (and HE) horses speed like Empire please.

In the lore... you already know the answer I guess...

ammo2095#8079

Bretonnians

They are more skilled and synergise better with Bretonnian lords. Empire obviously has tankier cav that deals more damage, but until the late game, that's not what it's mainly about.

saweendra#3399

Empire

KIT1986 said:

The Bretonian cav. is better in general but the demis are souhld be superior caus they sloughter horess.

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

Why is the Empires cav. better?

Demigryphs better


78 speed with 110 armor for normal cav better


Its the same tt as well demis are stronger

And they have better support cav in outsiders..etc.

And have plenty of weapon variety in knightly orders yet to be fully implemented



The only place bret knights are better is in lore.
In tt they were good empire better due to demis.

Nazjax said:

Lore question or in the game ?

Because technicaly demigryffons beat grail knights and guardians.
But knights of the realm are just better than empire knights and reiksguard.
Bretonnia knights are more cost efficient and have more variety.

PS : Boost Bretonnia (and HE) horses speed like Empire please.

In the lore... you already know the answer I guess...

Knights of the realm loose to rekisguard

Grail knights can loose to knights of the blazing sun given the right conditions in wh2 not sure on wh 3.

saweendra#3399

Empire

Uagrim said:

How is that even a question?

Because empire curb stomps bret in game and probably in tt as well using demis.

Hell i wouldn't be surprised with the recent buffs rekisguard could beat grail knights with the right conditions

KIT#5531

Bretonnians

saweendra said:

KIT1986 said:

The Bretonian cav. is better in general but the demis are souhld be superior caus they sloughter horess.

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

Why is the Empires cav. better?

Demigryphs better


78 speed with 110 armor for normal cav better


Its the same tt as well demis are stronger

And they have better support cav in outsiders..etc.

And have plenty of weapon variety in knightly orders yet to be fully implemented



The only place bret knights are better is in lore.
In tt they were good empire better due to demis.

Nazjax said:

Lore question or in the game ?

Because technicaly demigryffons beat grail knights and guardians.
But knights of the realm are just better than empire knights and reiksguard.
Bretonnia knights are more cost efficient and have more variety.

PS : Boost Bretonnia (and HE) horses speed like Empire please.

In the lore... you already know the answer I guess...

Knights of the realm loose to rekisguard

Grail knights can loose to knights of the blazing sun given the right conditions in wh2 not sure on wh 3.

But the Bretonian got the hypogriph knights. These units not only the best cav. in the game they are also one of the best units in the game! And the royal pegasus knights are the stroges anti-lagre flying unit. They kill a dragon in seconds!

saweendra#3399

Empire

KIT1986 said:

saweendra said:

KIT1986 said:

The Bretonian cav. is better in general but the demis are souhld be superior caus they sloughter horess.

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

Why is the Empires cav. better?

Demigryphs better


78 speed with 110 armor for normal cav better


Its the same tt as well demis are stronger

And they have better support cav in outsiders..etc.

And have plenty of weapon variety in knightly orders yet to be fully implemented



The only place bret knights are better is in lore.
In tt they were good empire better due to demis.

Nazjax said:

Lore question or in the game ?

Because technicaly demigryffons beat grail knights and guardians.
But knights of the realm are just better than empire knights and reiksguard.
Bretonnia knights are more cost efficient and have more variety.

PS : Boost Bretonnia (and HE) horses speed like Empire please.

In the lore... you already know the answer I guess...

Knights of the realm loose to rekisguard

Grail knights can loose to knights of the blazing sun given the right conditions in wh2 not sure on wh 3.

But the Bretonian got the hypogriph knights. These units not only the best cav. in the game they are also one of the best units in the game! And the royal pegasus knights are the stroges anti-lagre flying unit. They kill a dragon in seconds!

not the intended role of either unit Hypgryphs awesome units meant mostly for air to ground attacks to terror bomb or goon . not really good in cav vs cav fight

same with RPK awesome units kills most non armor flying units but can not 1v1 kill other high tier cav units in frontal charge
basically both units are good but not in the scenario of cav domination .

KhorneBull#5991

In lore Bretonnia.
In c.a.s version the Empire.

lcmiracle#6727

Bretonnians

Is this an in-game question, or a TT/lore question?

Valra

Empire

Is that even a real question, considering that these bad boys exist?

Draxynnic#3149

Kinda depends on what you mean by the question. Bretonnians have the better riders in Grail Knights, but it's also worth noting that they also technically have the worst knights in Knights Errant. Empire knights are consistently at at least KotR level since their equivalent of Knights Errant are Pistoliers, but don't reach Grail Knight level.

If you're asking about who has the scarier heavy cavalry overall, though, the demigryphs push the Empire ahead.

Unless you care about flying, in which case Bretonnians win by default.

Maedrethnir#1968

Bretonnians

In lore? Fair Bretonnia!

mightygloin#2446

Bretonnians

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

Was it hugely different in TT? Empire still had capable cav array, but slso combined arms.

Here i vote Bretonnia because they cover every tier/role and also have an elf enchanting them.

Draxynnic#3149

mightygloin said:

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

Was it hugely different in TT? Empire still had capable cav array, but slso combined arms.

Here i vote Bretonnia because they cover every tier/role and also have an elf enchanting them.

Bretonnia's last army book was in 6E, so they were basically two editions of powercreep behind. There are concepts floating around that suggests there were plans to expand them that were never realised.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

This.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

mightygloin said:

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

Was it hugely different in TT? Empire still had capable cav array, but slso combined arms.

Here i vote Bretonnia because they cover every tier/role and also have an elf enchanting them.

Lol yes. A whole empire knights army was trash.

A whole Bretonnian knight errant army? The blessing, price and lance formation was OP as hell.

Ive seen tournaments be won with many small to medium sized units of cheap knights errants (by poor players). The lance formation and price for them made them roll whole lines. One of the most OP spams in the tt. In class with ratling guns in 7th edition or later edition daemons (but here the whole list was OP).

We once for lolz tried to counter the list with the most OP anti cav list we could think of in my club. It lost more times than it won.

The spam got banned in many tournaments.

Draxynnic#3149

Tennisgolfboll said:

Lol yes. A whole empire knights army was trash.

All knights, yes, but I recall Knights of the Holy Cannonball being a thing. I think it involved knights filling the core, cannons, two steam tanks, and a War Altar.

#387480

Bretonnians

Draxynnic said:

Tennisgolfboll said:

Lol yes. A whole empire knights army was trash.

All knights, yes, but I recall Knights of the Holy Cannonball being a thing. I think it involved knights filling the core, cannons, two steam tanks, and a War Altar.

Ah yes the 1+ armor spam army. I remember a Grand Master, Lv 4, Peg Captains, IC Knights core, Steam Tank and Demi’s. Sometimes a Light Council instead of peg spam. It wasn’t the best Empire army but some people had an uphill struggle overcoming the armor saves.

saweendra#3399

Empire

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lcmiracle#6727

Bretonnians

mightygloin said:

Krabbz said:

In game, Empire.

In lore, Bretonnia.

Shows how poorly Bretonnia is in game.

Was it hugely different in TT? Empire still had capable cav array, but slso combined arms.

Here i vote Bretonnia because they cover every tier/role and also have an elf enchanting them.

In 8e, except for the Demigryph Knights, Bretonnia had both worse and better knights than the Empire. Going by pure stats of the Knights themselves, Grail Knights are still leagues above the best knight in the Empire. Knights Errants are cheaper but worse stats-wise than Empire Knights, and Knights of the Realm is basically the same as Empire Knight stat-wise. And Bretonnia has flying Knights and Empire still do not in 8E.

Of course keep in mind that Empire Knights all have better armour to Bretonnian knights, but Bretonnians have ward saves (though the prayer rule was pretty silly).

afverrall#1754

Bretonnians

Its hard for bretonnia to compare to a faction 2 editions ahead of them. In game I find especialy in campagin bretonnian knights completely outperform empire knights, the armoury building does a lot when bretonnia is unified a ward save on all you best cavalry from temeple tithes and good red skill line.

I find imperial knights perform a role in a larger army whilst bret knights carry the army. This is completly fine as the empire has many, many good options in battle.

Also I find Hippogriff knighs and royal pegasus knights are more useful than demis mid- late game in my experience.

Pr4vda#6038

Bretonnians

Bretonnia needs their questing beasts though.

afverrall#1754

Bretonnians

Paladins and damsels need better skills as well and a virtue mechanic like ogre big names and woc paths to power.

Serkelet#1834

Bretonnians

Bretonnia is better overall. Demis are very strong, but Bretonnia has Pegasus and Hippogryph cavalry...

OdTengri#8235

LuminousKnight said:

In the lore, in the game, on TT?

Itharus#3127

Bretonnian knights are SUPPOSED to be best.

afverrall#1754

Bretonnians

In campagin they are the best knights.