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Move Vilitch, Azazel, Valkia, and Festus to Monogod Factions

ProBro45#7766ProBro45#7766 Junior MemberRegistered Users Posts: 7
...and arguably Sigvald to Monogod as well. They totally don't fit into the chaos undivided theme.

Chaos Undivided/Warriors of Chaos should just be:

- Archaon the Everchosen
- Kholek Suneater
- Be'lakor
- Daniel (Daemon Prince)

It's honestly annoying having Sigvald with Nurglings and Valkia with Daemonettes as this is thematically dumb and unfitting of the setting and lore.

Move them over to Monogod so it's two for each Chaos Gods (Slaanesh would have 3 due to Sigvald being moved as well).

WOC/Chaos Undivided would still have 4 lords and this is plenty for it.
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  • Mogwai_ManMogwai_Man Registered Users Posts: 5,938
    edited September 15
    WoC is Chaos Undivided because they have followers of each god. They worship their god but serve Archaon.

    It's how the tabletop was too. 🤷‍♂️
  • vormaerin#1910vormaerin#1910 Registered Users Posts: 187
    Warriors of Chaos is about the mortal armies of chaos with some demons. Demons of Chaos/Monogods are about the daemons with a few mortals around.

    The Authority mechanic rewards thematic armies, but the AI isn't really good at figuring stuff like that out. So they just take whatever. Its not really any different than seeing enemy LLs with piles of points buffing units they aren't using. Its just more obvious.
  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 11,241

    ...and arguably Sigvald to Monogod as well. They totally don't fit into the chaos undivided theme.

    Chaos Undivided/Warriors of Chaos should just be:

    - Archaon the Everchosen
    - Kholek Suneater
    - Be'lakor
    - Daniel (Daemon Prince)

    It's honestly annoying having Sigvald with Nurglings and Valkia with Daemonettes as this is thematically dumb and unfitting of the setting and lore.

    Move them over to Monogod so it's two for each Chaos Gods (Slaanesh would have 3 due to Sigvald being moved as well).

    WOC/Chaos Undivided would still have 4 lords and this is plenty for it.

    Too late.

    Besides, now you can take Belakor, and make all of them kneel before you as the rightful Everchosen.

    Thats a win.
    Kneel

  • DEM0N_LLAMADEM0N_LLAMA Registered Users Posts: 628
    Valkia can't get Daemonettes.....or any Slaanesh units for that matter.

    The four champions can only get undivided units and Daemons for their respective gods.
  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 6,821

    WoC is Chaos Undivided because they have followers of each god. They worship their god but serve Archaon.

    It's how the tabletop was too. 🤷‍♂️

    Admittedly Azazel does complicate things a bit
  • KhorneBullKhorneBull Registered Users Posts: 347
    edited September 15
    They can put them in both and let the players decide which they want to play.

    Edit: They're already doing it in multiplayer.
  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 6,821

    They can put them in both and let the players decide which they want to play.

    Edit: They're already doing it in multiplayer.

    Easier said than done in Campaign considering the different tech trees and likely a mess of a spaghetti code for having different factions sharing the same LL
  • MiniaAr#5798MiniaAr#5798 Registered Users Posts: 1,786

    They can put them in both and let the players decide which they want to play.

    Edit: They're already doing it in multiplayer.

    Dual start races should be a thing, a.k.a you can start as one of the Marked Champions either as WoC with the mechanis as they currently are, or as a member of their respective Monogods races with their respective mechanics as well.

    We got dual start positions in WH2 and it was a surprise. I would really like to be surprised again in WH3 and get dual start races.
  • Ben1990#8909Ben1990#8909 Registered Users Posts: 2,603

    ...and arguably Sigvald to Monogod as well. They totally don't fit into the chaos undivided theme.

    Chaos Undivided/Warriors of Chaos should just be:

    - Archaon the Everchosen
    - Kholek Suneater
    - Be'lakor
    - Daniel (Daemon Prince)

    It's honestly annoying having Sigvald with Nurglings and Valkia with Daemonettes as this is thematically dumb and unfitting of the setting and lore.

    Move them over to Monogod so it's two for each Chaos Gods (Slaanesh would have 3 due to Sigvald being moved as well).

    WOC/Chaos Undivided would still have 4 lords and this is plenty for it.

    How about a better idea?
    Let's remove Warriors and Daemons of Chaos and reinstate Hordes of Chaos instead.
  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 11,241


    Let's remove Warriors and Daemons of Chaos and reinstate Hordes of Chaos instead.

    I want to blow up Daniel and do that with his faction.
    Kneel

  • ConradToskanConradToskan Registered Users Posts: 379
    The four champions are fine as their own God specific WoC factions.

    Haven't tried Sigvald yet. So I don't know how easy it is for him to take non Slaanesh units...

    The only thing throwing a wrench in there is confederations...
  • Pocman#6295Pocman#6295 Registered Users Posts: 5,679
    The treatment of chaos in this game has made no sense from the start. A huge missed opportunity like almost everything in this game.

  • RomeoRejectRomeoReject Registered Users Posts: 2,033

    They can put them in both and let the players decide which they want to play.

    Edit: They're already doing it in multiplayer.

    Easier said than done in Campaign considering the different tech trees and likely a mess of a spaghetti code for having different factions sharing the same LL
    Modders have already got it going. Really shouldn't be much of an issue for a large company with access to the engine to pull off.
  • DruidsbrookDruidsbrook Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 398
    They cant really move them now, what's done is done. Giving them dual race options is a possibility mods have already done it. The Monogod tech trees work fine for them the only thing to look at would be possilbly their red skills and if they have any skills related to souls.
  • SerPusSerPus Registered Users Posts: 9,581

    WOC/Chaos Undivided would still have 4 lords and this is plenty for it.

    Even 8 LLs is not enough for WoC.
  • Hondlis#2158Hondlis#2158 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,594
    I mean… yep the argument why they are WoC was kinda poor and i also think all of them should have been monos.
  • mecanojavi99#6562mecanojavi99#6562 EspañaRegistered Users Posts: 10,799
    That ship sailed long ago.
    "By the fires of Hashut, let them burn in the flames of eternal torment!"
    - Anonymous
  • Nitros14#7973Nitros14#7973 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,638
    edited September 15
    This is a lost cause, it's done. And it works fine this way.
  • Djau#5149Djau#5149 Registered Users Posts: 12,068

    Warriors of Chaos is about the mortal armies of chaos with some demons. Demons of Chaos/Monogods are about the daemons with a few mortals around.

    The Authority mechanic rewards thematic armies, but the AI isn't really good at figuring stuff like that out. So they just take whatever. Its not really any different than seeing enemy LLs with piles of points buffing units they aren't using. Its just more obvious.

    Incorrect. CA stated in Discord that:

    Warriors of Chaos is all Mortals and some Daemons
    Daemons of Chaos is all Daemons and some Mortals
    Monogods is all Marked Mortals and all Marked Daemons.

  • Sultschiem#8734Sultschiem#8734 Registered Users Posts: 3,496
    Djau said:

    Warriors of Chaos is about the mortal armies of chaos with some demons. Demons of Chaos/Monogods are about the daemons with a few mortals around.

    The Authority mechanic rewards thematic armies, but the AI isn't really good at figuring stuff like that out. So they just take whatever. Its not really any different than seeing enemy LLs with piles of points buffing units they aren't using. Its just more obvious.

    Incorrect. CA stated in Discord that:

    Warriors of Chaos is all Mortals and some Daemons
    Daemons of Chaos is all Daemons and some Mortals
    Monogods is all Marked Mortals and all Marked Daemons.
    Incorrect, Ca stated in several blogs and in the Azazel gameplay video:

    The monogod factions are DAEMONIC factions and they give NO SOULS.



    Therefore, the mortals in that army are demonic slaves that have no souls anymore and thus they no longer can ascend to daemonhood, as they have no soul left to trade.

    So, yes....while the monos have all marked mortals to fill out the roster....they are not true "mixed" factions.

    If they were, then Archaon must be able to confederate them, as all MORTAL FOLLOWERS are OATHBOUND to follow him, whereas Daemons are not
  • Lunaticprince#9972Lunaticprince#9972 Registered Users Posts: 6,749
    Yeah the train leaved the station a long time ago

    Just accept how it is

    Complaining about it now will not change anything


  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,598
    At least they could give the player the choice to start as either. There are some things that are really dumb because these LLs are in WoC. How come Valkia can recruit the most powerful Daemons of the roster like Soul Grinder or Bloodthirster but can't recruit Exalted Bloodletter ? Why the hell does WoC not get the Cultists which would thematically perfectly fit in there ? It's nothing but a confusing mess.

  • DrJammatDrJammat Registered Users Posts: 498
    I find it amusing that Chaos is not orderly enough.
  • DruidsbrookDruidsbrook Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 398
    Theres lots of little things as well like Azazel and Valkia have no diplomatic aversion to each other as they both see each other as simply 'Warriors of Chaos' and ignore their dedications to bitterly opposed gods.

    Attacking Valkias Level 5 capital Dark Fortress in my Kislev campaign right now and theres not a single Khorne unit in the garrison, marked or demon. Just undivided chosen. Feels more like I'm fighting a Undivided faction that have just loaned Valkia as an advisor.
  • 1v0#35621v0#3562 Registered Users Posts: 2,288
    The DLC is for WoC they won't move them, but I want a confederation option for the monogods ! (there is already a mod doing it).
    Question:Presumably you’ve needed to create a huge number of new Daemon units to properly flesh them out and give them their own armies?
    Answer:IR: What you’ve just said is so true,
  • DTAPPSNZ#5477DTAPPSNZ#5477 Registered Users Posts: 2,352
    Only Azazel needs to move, give Sigvald a real Slaansh WoC campaign.

    Sigvald's Campaign at the moment sucks.
  • MODIDDLY1#9212MODIDDLY1#9212 Registered Users Posts: 1,205
    They should have been put into the mono factions, but now that they are in WoC there is 0% chance they will be moved. The time to move Sigvald was with this DLC, and if they didn't do it then they definitely won't now.
  • BloodydaggerBloodydagger Registered Users Posts: 4,594
  • eomat#7953eomat#7953 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,832
    I really wish they hadn't given Sigvald access to other monogod units. He should be like Azazel, Undivided and Slaanesh only.
  • Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157 Registered Users Posts: 6,526
    The quarter cores are just gimmicks.

    The real chaos was fleshed out properly.

    Job done.
    BEARS, Beets, Battlestar Galactica 🧝‍♀️ Pandas too please CA!
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