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Guys guys guys... she doesn't suck because she's a she, or an opera singer ghost, or a completely new character.
It's far simpler than that.
She sucks because she's Vampire Coast. That DLC is just bad. It's the only DLC put out in this entire series so far that I actively hate because it's terrible.
See? Don't hate Cylostra for her traits and quirks... hate Cylostra because she's a part of basically the only truly horrible DLC Total War Warhammer has experienced.
I want to like Vampire Coast, but to this day I have about 60 turns with them. Total. I definitely don't "hate" them, but they were a mess on release. I kinda want to give them a go though, they've got a decent roster.
Also, again, for like the tenth time I don't think the hate is a majority sexism, but there very, very obviously is an element of that with VC2.
They're still a mess, Beets. They have basically not been changed very much. Their AI has actually gone a step backwards from where it was in WH2, btw. For the player it's really the same as it was for most of WH2 still. A few small unit balance changes here and there but all the same flaws they've always had. I think they're basically on life support.
Guys guys guys... she doesn't suck because she's a she, or an opera singer ghost, or a completely new character.
It's far simpler than that.
She sucks because she's Vampire Coast. That DLC is just bad. It's the only DLC put out in this entire series so far that I actively hate because it's terrible.
See? Don't hate Cylostra for her traits and quirks... hate Cylostra because she's a part of basically the only truly horrible DLC Total War Warhammer has experienced.
I want to like Vampire Coast, but to this day I have about 60 turns with them. Total. I definitely don't "hate" them, but they were a mess on release. I kinda want to give them a go though, they've got a decent roster.
Also, again, for like the tenth time I don't think the hate is a majority sexism, but there very, very obviously is an element of that with VC2.
They're still a mess, Beets.
Beets? Wrong guy brotha.
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With Aranessa, something about her model looks a bit off to me. I'm not sure, it might just be me, but her mutations almost look more reptilian than aquatic to me. Also the Jawbone looks really janky
Guys guys guys... she doesn't suck because she's a she, or an opera singer ghost, or a completely new character.
It's far simpler than that.
She sucks because she's Vampire Coast. That DLC is just bad. It's the only DLC put out in this entire series so far that I actively hate because it's terrible.
See? Don't hate Cylostra for her traits and quirks... hate Cylostra because she's a part of basically the only truly horrible DLC Total War Warhammer has experienced.
I want to like Vampire Coast, but to this day I have about 60 turns with them. Total. I definitely don't "hate" them, but they were a mess on release. I kinda want to give them a go though, they've got a decent roster.
Also, again, for like the tenth time I don't think the hate is a majority sexism, but there very, very obviously is an element of that with VC2.
They're still a mess, Beets.
Beets? Wrong guy brotha.
Nahhhh... you'd better get used to this one. It's sticking.
Guys guys guys... she doesn't suck because she's a she, or an opera singer ghost, or a completely new character.
It's far simpler than that.
She sucks because she's Vampire Coast. That DLC is just bad. It's the only DLC put out in this entire series so far that I actively hate because it's terrible.
See? Don't hate Cylostra for her traits and quirks... hate Cylostra because she's a part of basically the only truly horrible DLC Total War Warhammer has experienced.
I want to like Vampire Coast, but to this day I have about 60 turns with them. Total. I definitely don't "hate" them, but they were a mess on release. I kinda want to give them a go though, they've got a decent roster.
Also, again, for like the tenth time I don't think the hate is a majority sexism, but there very, very obviously is an element of that with VC2.
They're still a mess, Beets.
Beets? Wrong guy brotha.
Nahhhh... you'd better get used to this one. It's sticking.
You've got to explain it before I even entertain the idea of allowing that.
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I do agree that she indeed is the worst, be it her story or design, I dislike everything about her. No gilded harpoon in the world would make want to have a throw at her campaign.
Some amount of toxic fat-phobic misogynistic bile you inserted in your thread bro
Cylostra is amazing and the most fun V-Pirates LL by far
Utterly gobsmacking how some people want every single female character in their games be some sort of waifu...
We have so many male characters in game with a large body type, yet some people get their panties in a twist when ONE female character of size appears?
Some amount of toxic fat-phobic misogynistic bile you inserted in your thread bro
Cylostra is amazing and the most fun V-Pirates LL by far
Utterly gobsmacking how some people want every single female character in their games be some sort of waifu...
We have so many male characters in game with a large body type, yet some people get their panties in a twist when ONE female character of size appears?
I think the hate of her is quite exaggerated because she's female.
Made up, no history, replaced a number of valid options.
Her sex is irrelevant.
To you it might be, but very obviously her sex is a factor in the masses of hate.
I'll also note that every character in WHFB is made up, every character has no history till they're introduced, and the "valid options" instead of her were a handful of extremely minor characters. Her and Aranessa both get significantly more hate than is their due, and the reason for that is very much obvious.
I mean, that may certainly be a factor for Cylostra, I remember as much, but for Aranessa? That's just shouting out sexism where there isn't any my dude. She just didn't belong in an undead race, full stop.
There were a veritable cornucopia of threads accusing her of having a masculine face. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and tastes delicious, it's probably a duck. There's nothing wrong with being honest about that.
That was like one guy, maybe a couple of others backing him up. Who in turn had a history of passing similar judgements on literally every other female character in the entire game lol. Despite what the internet and modern politics would have you believe generalizing a wide swath of critics by the antics of a few fringe crazies is not a logical course of action.
I see you agree with me, just in different words. Cool.
Yeah. No one can dispute that sexism is a real and nasty part of this community.
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I think the hate of her is quite exaggerated because she's female.
Made up, no history, replaced a number of valid options.
Her sex is irrelevant.
To you it might be, but very obviously her sex is a factor in the masses of hate.
I'll also note that every character in WHFB is made up, every character has no history till they're introduced, and the "valid options" instead of her were a handful of extremely minor characters. Her and Aranessa both get significantly more hate than is their due, and the reason for that is very much obvious.
I mean, that may certainly be a factor for Cylostra, I remember as much, but for Aranessa? That's just shouting out sexism where there isn't any my dude. She just didn't belong in an undead race, full stop.
There were a veritable cornucopia of threads accusing her of having a masculine face. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and tastes delicious, it's probably a duck. There's nothing wrong with being honest about that.
That was like one guy, maybe a couple of others backing him up. Who in turn had a history of passing similar judgements on literally every other female character in the entire game lol. Despite what the internet and modern politics would have you believe generalizing a wide swath of critics by the antics of a few fringe crazies is not a logical course of action.
I see you agree with me, just in different words. Cool.
No.
Tell yourself that and come up with an opinion which disagrees with me.
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I think the hate of her is quite exaggerated because she's female.
Made up, no history, replaced a number of valid options.
Her sex is irrelevant.
To you it might be, but very obviously her sex is a factor in the masses of hate.
I'll also note that every character in WHFB is made up, every character has no history till they're introduced, and the "valid options" instead of her were a handful of extremely minor characters. Her and Aranessa both get significantly more hate than is their due, and the reason for that is very much obvious.
I mean, that may certainly be a factor for Cylostra, I remember as much, but for Aranessa? That's just shouting out sexism where there isn't any my dude. She just didn't belong in an undead race, full stop.
There were a veritable cornucopia of threads accusing her of having a masculine face. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and tastes delicious, it's probably a duck. There's nothing wrong with being honest about that.
That was like one guy, maybe a couple of others backing him up. Who in turn had a history of passing similar judgements on literally every other female character in the entire game lol. Despite what the internet and modern politics would have you believe generalizing a wide swath of critics by the antics of a few fringe crazies is not a logical course of action.
I see you agree with me, just in different words. Cool.
No.
Tell yourself that and come up with an opinion which disagrees with me.
No, I'm done here. Playing chess with pigeons is a waste of time.
Cylostra is probably the most original addition to the setting in terms of character. She's the whole "evil siren/lady lost at sea" trope but with a twist, which fits Warhammer. She's a primadonna who got herself killed and made a pact with an evil god over it so she can achieve her dreams. She treats the entire world as her stage with every battle a scene, and she loves it. Of all the Vampire Coast characters, she seems to be having the most fun and it shows in her campaign as she reaves and raids to fund her ultimate goal of performing in Lothern underwater.
On top of that, she's got a fair bit of utility being an ethereal character so you can send her into melee with or without her mount, unlike most caster lords. She has exclusive access to the Vampire Coast's Lord of the Abyss, and her ability to summon damned Grail Knight as well as her Paladin make her much more hard-hitting and resilient. She's overall a well designed and fun addition.
Some amount of toxic fat-phobic misogynistic bile you inserted in your thread bro
Cylostra is amazing and the most fun V-Pirates LL by far
Utterly gobsmacking how some people want every single female character in their games be some sort of waifu...
We have so many male characters in game with a large body type, yet some people get their panties in a twist when ONE female character of size appears?
Ugh......You know what, i can´t even...
This thread is just toxic in the extreme
There are several users in this very thread who aren't shy about their attraction to female models and characters, which can be *extremely* off-putting to say the least.
Some amount of toxic fat-phobic misogynistic bile you inserted in your thread bro
Cylostra is amazing and the most fun V-Pirates LL by far
Utterly gobsmacking how some people want every single female character in their games be some sort of waifu...
We have so many male characters in game with a large body type, yet some people get their panties in a twist when ONE female character of size appears?
Ugh......You know what, i can´t even...
This thread is just toxic in the extreme
There are several users in this very thread who aren't shy about their attraction to female models and characters, which can be *extremely* off-putting to say the least.
I´m fine with people wanting it in the game honestly but they enter into misogynistic and anti-fat territory when they start piling on every character included that does not fit their mental image of a waifu...
Guys guys guys... she doesn't suck because she's a she, or an opera singer ghost, or a completely new character.
It's far simpler than that.
She sucks because she's Vampire Coast. That DLC is just bad. It's the only DLC put out in this entire series so far that I actively hate because it's terrible.
See? Don't hate Cylostra for her traits and quirks... hate Cylostra because she's a part of basically the only truly horrible DLC Total War Warhammer has experienced.
I want to like Vampire Coast, but to this day I have about 60 turns with them. Total. I definitely don't "hate" them, but they were a mess on release. I kinda want to give them a go though, they've got a decent roster.
Also, again, for like the tenth time I don't think the hate is a majority sexism, but there very, very obviously is an element of that with VC2.
They're still a mess, Beets.
Beets? Wrong guy brotha.
Nahhhh... you'd better get used to this one. It's sticking.
The other one, isnt real, not from the lore, and shouldnt exist, especially when a ghost pirate DID exist, and it isnt her.
I hate to break it to you, but *none* of the lore is real. It doesn't exist. People make stuff up all the time.
Without the lore, the canon, the game is lesser.
I agree, which is why we shouldn't arbitrarily say that nobody's allowed to create *new* lore for the game.
No, that isnt how it works.
Once every scrap of pre-existing lore and content is exhausted? Fine.
Till then? Stay out.
So using that logic. Until pygmies are added, no new characters or races. I strongly disagree. Sometimes, new things are better than poorly implemented or designed old things.
With Aranessa, something about her model looks a bit off to me. I'm not sure, it might just be me, but her mutations almost look more reptilian than aquatic to me. Also the Jawbone looks really janky
Yeah I think it is the green tinge but agree I do get a bit of a reptilian vibe rather than fish vibe but can’t quite place it.
I don’t have an issue with the jawbone though.
Live your life and try to do no harm.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Cylostra is probably the most original addition to the setting in terms of character. She's the whole "evil siren/lady lost at sea" trope but with a twist, which fits Warhammer. She's a primadonna who got herself killed and made a pact with an evil god over it so she can achieve her dreams. She treats the entire world as her stage with every battle a scene, and she loves it. Of all the Vampire Coast characters, she seems to be having the most fun and it shows in her campaign as she reaves and raids to fund her ultimate goal of performing in Lothern underwater.
On top of that, she's got a fair bit of utility being an ethereal character so you can send her into melee with or without her mount, unlike most caster lords. She has exclusive access to the Vampire Coast's Lord of the Abyss, and her ability to summon damned Grail Knight as well as her Paladin make her much more hard-hitting and resilient. She's overall a well designed and fun addition.
Agree the lore is better because of her addition.
Live your life and try to do no harm.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Evelyn Beatrice Hall
She's an interesting character but they should have given her a syreen hero and based her army around ethereal units. I also wasn't a fan of her mount even if it's cool.
Still she's a fun character and she's unique.
Interestingly, her mount was the only thing I liked about her LOL!
She gets a mount? Really? I don't think I've ever seen that. Not even the AI fielding it.
What is it?
Large crab thing I believe.
In WH2 there was a mod that gave her a mortis engine I believe. Kept the whole ethereal aspect consistent.
Live your life and try to do no harm.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Evelyn Beatrice Hall
I think the hate of her is quite exaggerated because she's female.
Made up, no history, replaced a number of valid options.
Her sex is irrelevant.
To you it might be, but very obviously her sex is a factor in the masses of hate.
I'll also note that every character in WHFB is made up, every character has no history till they're introduced, and the "valid options" instead of her were a handful of extremely minor characters. Her and Aranessa both get significantly more hate than is their due, and the reason for that is very much obvious.
I mean, that may certainly be a factor for Cylostra, I remember as much, but for Aranessa? That's just shouting out sexism where there isn't any my dude. She just didn't belong in an undead race, full stop.
There were a veritable cornucopia of threads accusing her of having a masculine face. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and tastes delicious, it's probably a duck. There's nothing wrong with being honest about that.
That was like one guy, maybe a couple of others backing him up. Who in turn had a history of passing similar judgements on literally every other female character in the entire game lol. Despite what the internet and modern politics would have you believe generalizing a wide swath of critics by the antics of a few fringe crazies is not a logical course of action.
I see you agree with me, just in different words. Cool.
No.
Tell yourself that and come up with an opinion which disagrees with me.
No, I'm done here.
Yet you're still responding. It's okay, you agree with me. Embrace the right side.
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Comments like this "Some people are into BBWs and that's cool, but lets not make a fetish into a LL." make it pretty clear what your actual problem with Cylostra is. And that's a *you* problem and doesn't make the character bad.
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0 · 2Disagree AgreeThe old poll too makes her the worst Vampire Coast LL: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScJjhszdgfENi29-jsuXqk9sYyO_RhMTX_wQcNPeu6o5RQuvQ/viewanalytics
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Utterly gobsmacking how some people want every single female character in their games be some sort of waifu...
We have so many male characters in game with a large body type, yet some people get their panties in a twist when ONE female character of size appears?
Ugh......You know what, i can´t even...
This thread is just toxic in the extreme
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2 · 1Disagree 2AgreeOn top of that, she's got a fair bit of utility being an ethereal character so you can send her into melee with or without her mount, unlike most caster lords. She has exclusive access to the Vampire Coast's Lord of the Abyss, and her ability to summon damned Grail Knight as well as her Paladin make her much more hard-hitting and resilient. She's overall a well designed and fun addition.
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4 · 2Disagree 4AgreeYes how dare CA with GW's stamp of approval to expand their setting that they own and license.
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#givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
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5 · 2Disagree 5AgreeI don’t have an issue with the jawbone though.
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Daniel is just a build-a-bear piece of fan fiction. Doesn't even have a unique model, he's just a generic daemon prince. A total marketing gimmick.
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Comments like this "Some people are into BBWs and that's cool, but lets not make a fetish into a LL." make it pretty clear what your actual problem with Cylostra is. And that's a *you* problem and doesn't make the character bad.
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