Chaos Mutants DLC for Warriors of Chaos

Cebo#5715

For general idea why I choose the rosters, look into my previous entry and its intro:
The Empire DLCs
Greenskins DLCs
Dwarfs DLCs
Vampire Counts DLCs
Bretonnia FLC

I like sub factions that have a theme which add a distinct play style to the faction and round up the roster.

I know Warriors of Chaos just received a DLC, but I'm going through game one races and it's their turn now. I believe Warriors of Chaos (WoC) have one more DLC in store for them. In the last patch they received mostly marked units, lots of them. With the introduction of chaos monogod races it's easy to mix up who's who and there's a danger for WoC to lose their uniqueness and just blend in with the monogods. I believe Warriors of Chaos shouldn't receive any more marked units, except for the missing marked generic lords and heroes. They should be the undivided race, and this last DLC should come with undivided units that monogods can't get. Having said that, let's address an important thing -Tamurkhan should be a Nurgle monogod LL. He is a WoC character, but comes with a mix of mortal and demonic units. And I think CA with giving Plague Toads to Nurgle race is hinting at this.

One aspect of WoC and Chaos in general that I really like is the mutating power of Chaos. From the lowest creatures to the powerful, many are in danger of turning mutant. Some are smaller mutations, some, like turning into chaos spawn, are extreme. One of the more extreme examples is Galrauch who turned form a majestic dragon into one of the most horrible mutated abominations. He's is technically a Tzeentch character, but doesn't have a "monogod look" to him, he looks just like a regular undivided Chaos Dragon.

1. Chaos Mutants DLC

• Legendary Lord: Galrauch, The Great Drake, mount: none.
  He should have access to lore of Tzeentch spells and have abilities that mutate enemies and friendly monsters alike. Also buffs Chaos lords when on a Chaos Dragon mount.
  
  
• Generic Lord: Missing generic marked lords and their corresponding mounts - Sorcerer Lord of Slaneesh and melee lords for Tzeentch and Nurgle.
  
  
• Generic Heroes: Missing generic marked heroes and their corresponding mounts – sorcerer of Nurgle and Exalted Heroes of Tzeentch and Slaanesh.
  
  
• Units: Chimera, Giant Chaos Spawn (FW model), Giant Spined Chaos Beast, Chaos Ogres and Chaos Dragon & Frost-Wyrm as his two campaign only units. RoR: I'll leave that to CA.

- note: Chimera should be somewhere between a Manticore and a Chaos Dragon when it comes to power and should have a huge charge bonus and frenzy and breath attack, Giant Chaos Spawn is a powerful anti-infantry monster with leadership reducing attacks, Spined Beast should be squishy, but fast, similar to Brood Horror, Chaos Ogres are the most armored of Ogres and melee experts

FLC

• Legendary Lord: Count Mordrek the Damned mounts: Chaos Steed, Chaos Chariot, Gorebeast Chariot, Chimera, Chaos Dragon
  
  
• Unit: Ogre Mutants

- note: Mordrek is a heavily mutated lord, clad in chaos armor and an anti-infantry fighter. In lore, he always comes back after being killed, so he should have a trait that gives him reduced wounded recovery time.
He should be all about humanoid mutants – Forsaken, who he buffs heavily. He also gets Ogre Mutants as his exclusive campaign only unit, which are a regimental champion version of Chaos Ogres.

Legendary Heroes

• Archaon the Everchosen - His liutenants - Ograx the Great, Haargroth the Blooded, Feytor the Tainted, Styrkaar of the Sortsvinaer and Melekh the Changer
  
• Kholek Suneater - Traygard Mountain-Clever, mount: none, Dragon Ogre Shaggots that hates humans
  
• Prince Sigvald the Magnificent - Gilberion, the Denied Lord, mount: chaos steed, chaos chariot of slaanesh, steed of slaanesh
  
• Valkia the Bloody - Kormak, mount: chaos steed, chaos chariot of Khorne, gorebeast chariot of Khorne, Juggernaut
  
• Festus the Leechlord - Valnir the Reaper, mount: none
  
• Vilitch the Curseling - Aekold Helbrass, mount: none
  
• Azazel - Nastasya Roskolnikov, The Silver Lady, mount: chaos steed, chaos chariot of slaanesh, chaos warshrine of Slaanesh
  
• Be'lakor - Shadowstalker, mount: none, a darkly angelic being that served Be'lakor in Storm of Chaos
  
• Galrauch - She, mount: none. A warpfire dragon.
  
• Count Mordrek the Damned - Fraener, mount: none. A Chaos Champion mutated into a forsaken.
  

- note: obviously, not all of these Legendary Heroes are going to be added by CA, so pick your favorite ones and the rest I hope will be added by modders.

That's it for Warriors of Chaos. I haven't included Slaughterbrute and Mutalith Vortex Beast because though they are undivided units, they look very monogod-y and kinda out of place in the WoC roster. Besides, they aren't needed in this roster - WoC have plenty of tools already. I'll leave them for Khorne and Tzeentch monogod rosters where they are needed much more. Missing melee marauder cavalry and Flayerkin gonna wait out for Norsca DLC. Chaos Siege Giant should be a Chaos Dwarfs unit.

SerPus#7395

Cebo#5715 said:

IThat's it for Warriors of Chaos. I haven't included Slaughterbrute and Mutalith Vortex Beast because though they are undivided units, they look very monogod-y and kinda out of place in the WoC roster.

How can WoC units be out of place in the WoC roster?

Cebo#5715

Those two look like they should be in Demons of Chaos roster and not in WoC.

Heretical_Cactus#7598

Why would Galrauch, a Lord of Change possessing a Dragon be with the Warrior of Chaos instead of Tzeentch ?

If the WoC get a subsequent dlc (So far in the future) It should be an Undivided one:

Harry the Hammer: Undead bane, original Warhammer guy (Fitting against any Undead, either as Flc with Nagash race pack or against Kislev/Cathay with their Undead lord/faction, Ulrika and Jade Vamp.)


Mordrek the Damned: The Immortal, though hasn't got many tie in in current lore

Mortkin: No idea if he is already dead or not

And Sayl: Though he might come as a "Norsca" faction

Cebo#5715

He has a Tzeentchian origin, but is a WoC undivided character. Same story as Taurox and Khorne. I explained that in the intro paragraph.

Harry the Hammer is fine, but has a problem that many human WoC characters have is that they look like Walmart Archaon.

Heretical_Cactus#7598

Cebo#5715 said:

He has a Tzeentchian origin, but is a WoC undivided character. Same story as Taurox and Khorne. I explained that in the intro paragraph.

Harry the Hammer is fine, but has a problem that many human WoC characters have is that they look like Walmart Archaon.

What ? No

Taurox never had any written link with Khorne

Like it's 110% a Khornate Lord, but at the same time it was never confirmed in the way Galraush was.

Galraush is a Lord of Change in the skin of a Dragon, it's a bloody LoC still

Cebo#5715

There was speculation that him being a beast of slaughter, it was Khorne who rewarded him with the brass body.

Anyway, as for Galrauch, he is a WoC character and fits the mutants DLC. And chaos dragons always were an undivided WoC thing, anyway.

There are many other Tzeentchian characters that could be better used for his monogod faction and that look the part.

4fourcztery#6076

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

He has a Tzeentchian origin, but is a WoC undivided character. Same story as Taurox and Khorne. I explained that in the intro paragraph.

Harry the Hammer is fine, but has a problem that many human WoC characters have is that they look like Walmart Archaon.

What ? No

Taurox never had any written link with Khorne

Like it's 110% a Khornate Lord, but at the same time it was never confirmed in the way Galraush was.

Galraush is a Lord of Change in the skin of a Dragon, it's a bloody LoC still

If he doesn't have link to Khorne, why does CA imply that he has links to Khorne with his river of blood passive and in patch notes?

WhySoSalty#3990

whyumakemecry#1948 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

He has a Tzeentchian origin, but is a WoC undivided character. Same story as Taurox and Khorne. I explained that in the intro paragraph.

Harry the Hammer is fine, but has a problem that many human WoC characters have is that they look like Walmart Archaon.

What ? No

Taurox never had any written link with Khorne

Like it's 110% a Khornate Lord, but at the same time it was never confirmed in the way Galraush was.

Galraush is a Lord of Change in the skin of a Dragon, it's a bloody LoC still

If he doesn't have link to Khorne, why does CA imply that he has links to Khorne with his river of blood passive and in patch notes?

ask CA why they did it. but GW never stated that Taurox is a Khorne character in the 7th book. he was rather blessed by all 4 gods and just because he looks and acts more Khorne than some Khorne characters it does not make him a Khorne char because GW never officially confirmed it

4fourcztery#6076

WhySoSalty#3990 said:

whyumakemecry#1948 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

He has a Tzeentchian origin, but is a WoC undivided character. Same story as Taurox and Khorne. I explained that in the intro paragraph.

Harry the Hammer is fine, but has a problem that many human WoC characters have is that they look like Walmart Archaon.

What ? No

Taurox never had any written link with Khorne

Like it's 110% a Khornate Lord, but at the same time it was never confirmed in the way Galraush was.

Galraush is a Lord of Change in the skin of a Dragon, it's a bloody LoC still

If he doesn't have link to Khorne, why does CA imply that he has links to Khorne with his river of blood passive and in patch notes?

ask CA why they did it. but GW never stated that Taurox is a Khorne character in the 7th book. he was rather blessed by all 4 gods and just because he looks and acts more Khorne than some Khorne characters it does not make him a Khorne char because GW never officially confirmed it

I'd rather not. This confusing bs is so funny, I'd rather just enjoy it that way

WhySoSalty#3990

whyumakemecry#1948 said:

WhySoSalty#3990 said:

whyumakemecry#1948 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

He has a Tzeentchian origin, but is a WoC undivided character. Same story as Taurox and Khorne. I explained that in the intro paragraph.

Harry the Hammer is fine, but has a problem that many human WoC characters have is that they look like Walmart Archaon.

What ? No

Taurox never had any written link with Khorne

Like it's 110% a Khornate Lord, but at the same time it was never confirmed in the way Galraush was.

Galraush is a Lord of Change in the skin of a Dragon, it's a bloody LoC still

If he doesn't have link to Khorne, why does CA imply that he has links to Khorne with his river of blood passive and in patch notes?

ask CA why they did it. but GW never stated that Taurox is a Khorne character in the 7th book. he was rather blessed by all 4 gods and just because he looks and acts more Khorne than some Khorne characters it does not make him a Khorne char because GW never officially confirmed it

I'd rather not. This confusing bs is so funny, I'd rather just enjoy it that way

true. i think GW just missed the timing to properly mark the beastmen LL ala. Taurox-Khorne, Slugtongue-Nurgle etc

DarthEnderX-#6513

SerPus#7395 said:

How can WoC units be out of place in the WoC roster?

The same way all the CoC LLs were.

Now that monogods exist, there are things in WoC/DoC that clearly fit better into monogods.

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Why would Galrauch, a Lord of Change possessing a Dragon be with the Warrior of Chaos instead of Tzeentch ?

He shouldn't.

And yet Azazel, a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh that led a legion of Slaanesh Daemons ended up with the Warrior of Chaos instead of Slaanesh. So any stupid thing is possible.

ask CA why they did it. but GW never stated that Taurox is a Khorne character in the 7th book. he was rather blessed by all 4 gods and just because he looks and acts more Khorne than some Khorne characters it does not make him a Khorne char because GW never officially confirmed it

CA did it because it's better.

Taurox being Khorne is better than his official TT status.

WhySoSalty#3990 said:

i think GW just missed the timing to properly mark the beastmen LL ala. Taurox-Khorne, Slugtongue-Nurgle etc

100%.

4fourcztery#6076

Lore people know their stuff.

WallyBFeed#8810

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Mortkin: No idea if he is already dead or not

He's alive.

Karl's reign starts in 2502


Mortkin's march to 'mic drop' in 2515 with his unified Fell Legion - Azhag dies in the same year

DarthEnderX-#6513

whyumakemecry#1948 said:

Lore people know their stuff.

Yes, but being "accurate" doesn't always mean "better".

Sometimes, the lore GW wrote sucks. And if CA can do better, they should(with GW's approval, of course).

Cebo#5715

Dardis81#5119 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Mortkin: No idea if he is already dead or not

He's alive.

Even if he were dead, after Repanse got in, he'd still be able to be a LL.

Heretical_Cactus#7598

Cebo#5715 said:

Dardis81#5119 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Mortkin: No idea if he is already dead or not

He's alive.

Even if he were dead, after Repanse got in, he'd still be able to be a LL.

Repanse is a special case, we nt know if she died

And it wouldn't be the first Bretonnian to become an immortal, as the Lady I'd one if the most active god

Slayer_Yannir#8069

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

Dardis81#5119 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Mortkin: No idea if he is already dead or not

He's alive.

Even if he were dead, after Repanse got in, he'd still be able to be a LL.

Repanse is a special case, we nt know if she died

And it wouldn't be the first Bretonnian to become an immortal, as the Lady I'd one if the most active god

Yeah, Calard of Garamont is atleast 300 years old when the ET happens.

SerPus#7395

Cebo#5715 said:

He has a Tzeentchian origin, but is a WoC undivided character.

He has Mark of Tzeentch.

Cebo#5715

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

Dardis81#5119 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Mortkin: No idea if he is already dead or not

He's alive.

Even if he were dead, after Repanse got in, he'd still be able to be a LL.

Repanse is a special case, we nt know if she died

And it wouldn't be the first Bretonnian to become an immortal, as the Lady I'd one if the most active god

Yeah, Calard of Garamont is atleast 300 years old when the ET happens.

If I remember correctly, grail knights and special characters with the favour of the lady are blessed with long lives, but not immortality. Even Gilles le Breton had to die before returning as the Green Knight.

In any case, CA has said in some interview or blog post when asked about Repanse, that death is not the obstacle to being a LL because timleline for them is fuzzy or something like that and I think that's a good thing. Some lore lawywers here are taking TT things too literally at the expense of the quality of the game.

Maedrethnir#1968

With one thing I agree completely and utterly. Galrauch should star in DLC.

Slayer_Yannir#8069

Cebo#5715 said:

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

Dardis81#5119 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Mortkin: No idea if he is already dead or not

He's alive.

Even if he were dead, after Repanse got in, he'd still be able to be a LL.

Repanse is a special case, we nt know if she died

And it wouldn't be the first Bretonnian to become an immortal, as the Lady I'd one if the most active god

Yeah, Calard of Garamont is atleast 300 years old when the ET happens.

If I remember correctly, grail knights and special characters with the favour of the lady are blessed with long lives, but not immortality. Even Gilles le Breton had to die before returning as the Green Knight.

In any case, CA has said in some interview or blog post when asked about Repanse, that death is not the obstacle to being a LL because timleline for them is fuzzy or something like that and I think that's a good thing. Some lore lawywers here are taking TT things too literally at the expense of the quality of the game.

Yeah but Gilles le Breton was killed by an arrow or bullet, not old age. The lore is a bit vague on how he died but apparently it was in a way the Bretonnians considered dishonorable and unfair. I don't think gunpowder was a thing back then so likely an arrow.

It's never specified by how much more life the Grail grants but I think it varies case by case. Just like how it's never specified how long elves live. Like Malekith who is almost 5000 years old. The answer is probably is however long they need to. CA kinda capitalized on that.

Cebo#5715

If a Chaos Dragon is gonna be added to Tzeentch monogod roster, it should be Egrimm van Horstmann riding Baudros. Galrauch who was featured in WoC 8th edition book is a better fit to represent the mutants.

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

CA kinda capitalized on that.

And it's a good call.

lcmiracle#6727

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

Dardis81#5119 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Mortkin: No idea if he is already dead or not

He's alive.

Even if he were dead, after Repanse got in, he'd still be able to be a LL.

Repanse is a special case, we nt know if she died

And it wouldn't be the first Bretonnian to become an immortal, as the Lady I'd one if the most active god

Yeah, Calard of Garamont is atleast 300 years old when the ET happens.

If I remember correctly, grail knights and special characters with the favour of the lady are blessed with long lives, but not immortality. Even Gilles le Breton had to die before returning as the Green Knight.

In any case, CA has said in some interview or blog post when asked about Repanse, that death is not the obstacle to being a LL because timleline for them is fuzzy or something like that and I think that's a good thing. Some lore lawywers here are taking TT things too literally at the expense of the quality of the game.

Yeah but Gilles le Breton was killed by an arrow or bullet, not old age. The lore is a bit vague on how he died but apparently it was in a way the Bretonnians considered dishonorable and unfair. I don't think gunpowder was a thing back then so likely an arrow.

It's never specified by how much more life the Grail grants but I think it varies case by case. Just like how it's never specified how long elves live. Like Malekith who is almost 5000 years old. The answer is probably is however long they need to. CA kinda capitalized on that.

In particular, Gilles was said to have won fame throughout the land of the Bretonni by killing the dragon Smearghus in 952 IC in 6th edition Bretonnia army book (page 38), he became the lord of Bastonne in 975 IC, and drank from the grail in 976 IC. He died in 995 IC fighting Orcs. This means he was still a powerful warrior 43 years after his prime days.

More telling is the longest living Grail Companion, Thierulf of Lyonesse, died in 1142 IC in battle fighting alongside king Guillaume. Dude met Giles in 950 IC when he wed Gilles' sister. Dude fought for 192 years, outlasting even Gilles own son Louis the Rash. (page 38)

Cebo#5715

Grail Knights can seem almost immortal, but they will eventually start to age and die. Those who are nearing the end of their lives often become Hermit Knights, guarding Grail Chapels and the powerful relics housed within.

This is from rpg stuff and wite dwarf magazine articles. As such, it's not prime canon material, but there it is.

Heretical_Cactus#7598

Cebo#5715 said:

If a Chaos Dragon is gonna be added to Tzeentch monogod roster, it should be Egrimm van Horstmann riding Baudros. Galrauch who was featured in WoC 8th edition book is a better fit to represent the mutants.

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

CA kinda capitalized on that.

And it's a good call.

Dragon Lord =/= Caster Lord who ride a Dragon

And going with your own logic, Egrimm was in the Warrior of Chaos book so should be part of the WoC race.

Cebo#5715 said:

Grail Knights can seem almost immortal, but they will eventually start to age and die. Those who are nearing the end of their lives often become Hermit Knights, guarding Grail Chapels and the powerful relics housed within.

This is from rpg stuff and wite dwarf magazine articles. As such, it's not prime canon material, but there it is.

While correct, it does seem to be a case by case scenario, as certain have aged more than other

Cebo#5715

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

If a Chaos Dragon is gonna be added to Tzeentch monogod roster, it should be Egrimm van Horstmann riding Baudros. Galrauch who was featured in WoC 8th edition book is a better fit to represent the mutants.

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

CA kinda capitalized on that.

And it's a good call.

Dragon Lord =/= Caster Lord who ride a Dragon

I seriously doubt that with Tzeentch demonic characters and others that fit the "Tzeentch theme", we're gonna get both Galrauch and van Horstmann for the Tzeentch monogod roster so I'm gonna stick with Galrauch being WoC character.

Slayer_Yannir#8069

Cebo#5715 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

If a Chaos Dragon is gonna be added to Tzeentch monogod roster, it should be Egrimm van Horstmann riding Baudros. Galrauch who was featured in WoC 8th edition book is a better fit to represent the mutants.

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

CA kinda capitalized on that.

And it's a good call.

Dragon Lord =/= Caster Lord who ride a Dragon

I seriously doubt that with Tzeentch demonic characters and others that fit the "Tzeentch theme", we're gonna get both Galrauch and van Horstmann for the Tzeentch monogod roster so I'm gonna stick with Galrauch being WoC character.

Galrauch could just be a Legendary Hero. There's never an indication he has any inclination towards leading armies. He's often just depicted as basically a Warhammer Smaug.

Cebo#5715

There are many other characters like that in the setting that CA ends up making LLs. Nakai, Taurox etc.

Heretical_Cactus#7598

Cebo#5715 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

If a Chaos Dragon is gonna be added to Tzeentch monogod roster, it should be Egrimm van Horstmann riding Baudros. Galrauch who was featured in WoC 8th edition book is a better fit to represent the mutants.

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

CA kinda capitalized on that.

And it's a good call.

Dragon Lord =/= Caster Lord who ride a Dragon

I seriously doubt that with Tzeentch demonic characters and others that fit the "Tzeentch theme", we're gonna get both Galrauch and van Horstmann for the Tzeentch monogod roster so I'm gonna stick with Galrauch being WoC character.

So the character that is a Daemon of Tzeentch

fit more with WoC than a dude who work for Tzeentch ?

Like Vilitch is closer to Egrimm than he is to Galrauch.

And to be honest, any of the Monogod will surely get 2 to 3 Dlc, and for Tzeentch I'd wager that it's gonna be one of these way:

- Changeling (Flc for Cathay dlc) become more likely if the MK is Dlc for 1st Cathay dlc
- Egrimm vs Ar Ulric (Dlc)
- Blue Scribes Flc
- Galrauch Dlc or Flc
- Helbrass vs Zacharias (Dlc)

Cebo#5715

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

Cebo#5715 said:

If a Chaos Dragon is gonna be added to Tzeentch monogod roster, it should be Egrimm van Horstmann riding Baudros. Galrauch who was featured in WoC 8th edition book is a better fit to represent the mutants.

Slayer_Yannir#8069 said:

CA kinda capitalized on that.

And it's a good call.

Dragon Lord =/= Caster Lord who ride a Dragon

I seriously doubt that with Tzeentch demonic characters and others that fit the "Tzeentch theme", we're gonna get both Galrauch and van Horstmann for the Tzeentch monogod roster so I'm gonna stick with Galrauch being WoC character.

So the character that is a Daemon of Tzeentch

fit more with WoC than a dude who work for Tzeentch ?

Not quite. Galrauch is a mortal creature possesed by a demon. He's closer to Malus than to Kairos and yet Malus is in Dark Elf roster, while Azazel, a demon prince of Slaanesh is in WoC roster. Clearly there's no rules who goes where.

Again, Tzeentch monogod roster doesn't need both a Chaos Dragon and a Chaos Dragon riding LL.

If there are going to be two similar LL creatures in Tzeentch monogod roster, I'd rather see two Lords of Change. Say, Tchzen who is a melee focused LoC, as opposed to Kairos who is weak in melee.