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Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268 Registered Users Posts: 3,196
It's kind of sad, even with Total War Warhammer 3 now out.. and the Immortal Empires, I thought maybe, it would help me get over TW Three Kingdoms.... but it didn't. I've played TWW3 for about 210 hours now (im a bit of a casual i'll admit). I've played all of the races, had a great deal of fun with the variety of units and characters and all their cool little equipment and quests...

But now it's over, it's bland... they no longer interest me as much. There are no families and royal marriages for me to construct... there is no factional politics and intrigues for me to think about or do... there is no proper infiltration. I cannot create a Greenskin warboss, build him up and then assign him some cities to govern as a vassal state... I cannot construct intricate familial bonds with an allied nation to ensure their loyalty (or a justifiable reason for me not to genocide them).

It's severely lacking... but that is where Three Kingdoms COULD have continued to become the master of. The politics of Three Kingdoms was very interesting. Everything about TW Three Kingdoms as a game, made it far more interesting than Warhammer in my opinion... even with it's lack nations, it still managed to interest me more than Warhammer, simply because even if I was not following the history of the setting, I could manipulate the world and forge new generations of noble families... making some random captain, into a lord of an entire faction, within my empire and securing his lineage by politically marrying it to my clan.

What a shame. I sincerely hope that CA is cooking up something like Total War Asia or something...
"I am the punishment of Tengger, if you had not sinned, he would not have sent me against you." - Chinghis Haan Temujin

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  • razenb#1517razenb#1517 Registered Users Posts: 502
    Dont like the asia setting but 3k is miles ahead of wh3 when you compare gameplay mechanics
  • Rewan#2358Rewan#2358 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,859
    Still waiting for a final patch. :s
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    Wondering why you get some traits on your characters this may give you a vague idea

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  • Vin362#6699Vin362#6699 Registered Users Posts: 1,520

    Still waiting for a final patch. :s


    Supporter of Shu-Han, I wish Total War Three Kingdoms had a Three Kingdoms start date, rider of Kislev, admiral of The Awakened and Elector Count of Shu-Han
  • CountSpookula#8662CountSpookula#8662 Registered Users Posts: 43

    It's kind of sad, even with Total War Warhammer 3 now out.. and the Immortal Empires, I thought maybe, it would help me get over TW Three Kingdoms.... but it didn't. I've played TWW3 for about 210 hours now (im a bit of a casual i'll admit). I've played all of the races, had a great deal of fun with the variety of units and characters and all their cool little equipment and quests...

    But now it's over, it's bland... they no longer interest me as much. There are no families and royal marriages for me to construct... there is no factional politics and intrigues for me to think about or do... there is no proper infiltration. I cannot create a Greenskin warboss, build him up and then assign him some cities to govern as a vassal state... I cannot construct intricate familial bonds with an allied nation to ensure their loyalty (or a justifiable reason for me not to genocide them).

    It's severely lacking... but that is where Three Kingdoms COULD have continued to become the master of. The politics of Three Kingdoms was very interesting. Everything about TW Three Kingdoms as a game, made it far more interesting than Warhammer in my opinion... even with it's lack nations, it still managed to interest me more than Warhammer, simply because even if I was not following the history of the setting, I could manipulate the world and forge new generations of noble families... making some random captain, into a lord of an entire faction, within my empire and securing his lineage by politically marrying it to my clan.

    What a shame. I sincerely hope that CA is cooking up something like Total War Asia or something...

    Fantasy titles sell regardless of if they're done to the same standard as historical titles, if you think CA/Sega execs values player experience very highly, you're sorely mistaken, near bare minimum = profit is the way Warhammer has almost always been (with numerous notable exceptions).
  • Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268 Registered Users Posts: 3,196

    It's kind of sad, even with Total War Warhammer 3 now out.. and the Immortal Empires, I thought maybe, it would help me get over TW Three Kingdoms.... but it didn't. I've played TWW3 for about 210 hours now (im a bit of a casual i'll admit). I've played all of the races, had a great deal of fun with the variety of units and characters and all their cool little equipment and quests...

    But now it's over, it's bland... they no longer interest me as much. There are no families and royal marriages for me to construct... there is no factional politics and intrigues for me to think about or do... there is no proper infiltration. I cannot create a Greenskin warboss, build him up and then assign him some cities to govern as a vassal state... I cannot construct intricate familial bonds with an allied nation to ensure their loyalty (or a justifiable reason for me not to genocide them).

    It's severely lacking... but that is where Three Kingdoms COULD have continued to become the master of. The politics of Three Kingdoms was very interesting. Everything about TW Three Kingdoms as a game, made it far more interesting than Warhammer in my opinion... even with it's lack nations, it still managed to interest me more than Warhammer, simply because even if I was not following the history of the setting, I could manipulate the world and forge new generations of noble families... making some random captain, into a lord of an entire faction, within my empire and securing his lineage by politically marrying it to my clan.

    What a shame. I sincerely hope that CA is cooking up something like Total War Asia or something...

    Fantasy titles sell regardless of if they're done to the same standard as historical titles, if you think CA/Sega execs values player experience very highly, you're sorely mistaken, near bare minimum = profit is the way Warhammer has almost always been (with numerous notable exceptions).
    No, I think it has more to do with the large background of Warhammer. It has been around as a tabletop game for a very long time, books, art, etc... Otherwise, every "fantasy" game out there would be selling more than games that are based off of the real world and history.
    "I am the punishment of Tengger, if you had not sinned, he would not have sent me against you." - Chinghis Haan Temujin
  • Rewan#2358Rewan#2358 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,859
    I mean I do sorta agree that Fantasy inherently has more "eye-candy" than historical. People complaining about "muh unit diversity" in 3K was a prime exemple imho.


    But TW:W feels ... just shallow. And any time CA tries to add a bit more depth (settlement battles) the community just start behaving like manchilds. I don't think it's a bad game, far from it, but it just feels so boring to play, whilst 3K even in Romance always feels nice...
    _________________________________

    My personal collection of hazardous tests and quickfixes (yes this is a link).
    Wondering why you get some traits on your characters this may give you a vague idea

    Balance enthusiast, I like tinkering and messing with stuff and values. Cool heads prevails !
  • Vin362#6699Vin362#6699 Registered Users Posts: 1,520
    edited November 10
    I'd like to add that as a tabletop game Warhamemer lends itself to adaption for strategy games.

    To Rewan's point its a shame that they removed the minor settlement battles in WH3 because one of the things I loved in 3K was depending on the settlement you had defences in case you found yourself attacked by an enemy without much of warning after a declaration of war, in wh3 I'm more likely to lose now.
    Post edited by Vin362#6699 on
    Supporter of Shu-Han, I wish Total War Three Kingdoms had a Three Kingdoms start date, rider of Kislev, admiral of The Awakened and Elector Count of Shu-Han
  • LESAMA#5456LESAMA#5456 Member Registered Users Posts: 2,191
    Jep, wh3 is catching dust. No interest to play it anymore. Moved on to qualdrons of war and kingdoms and castles. Small titles but lot’s of fun.
  • united84#8186united84#8186 Registered Users Posts: 1,141
    TW3K was great but I highly doubt the sequel (TW3K2) will be match the first due to diminishing return, similar to how TWW is getting boring despite the massive resources being put into IE.

    The right thing to do is to give the fans esp the asian fans, a true Total War flagship set in Asia. After all, we never got a heterogenous Total War game based in Asia, Shogun & Three Kingdoms were homogenous for the most part.
  • Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268 Registered Users Posts: 3,196

    TW3K was great but I highly doubt the sequel (TW3K2) will be match the first due to diminishing return, similar to how TWW is getting boring despite the massive resources being put into IE.

    The right thing to do is to give the fans esp the asian fans, a true Total War flagship set in Asia. After all, we never got a heterogenous Total War game based in Asia, Shogun & Three Kingdoms were homogenous for the most part.

    A Total War set in Asia would be amazing. Though I think the only historical period that covers most of Asia, would be something like Total War: Rise of the Mongols, covering Korea-Japan-China, all the way to Persia, India, Byzantium and the Rus. That even might be too big.

    The issue of it being Homogenous isn't an issue... look at how popular the TW Shogun 1 and 2 were... and that is merely a little Japan, compared to the vastness and diversity of Asia, which would be like the size of the TWW3 world with very many cultures and races.

    I think that would be very ambitious for CA, and I don't think their "Native" customer base would like that honestly... Though many people are fascinated by Japanese culture (thanks to the broad propagation of Anime and it's fantasy culture). The rest of our cultures are alien and highly under appreciated. I'm afraid, they would rather stick with what they know... and that is the European Base, with North Africa/Middle East enemies.

    Regardless of what path they choose... as long as it doesn't get as stale as Warhammer and is far more in-depth like Three Kingdoms (with aspects of Crusader Kings). That would be perfection in my opinion.
    "I am the punishment of Tengger, if you had not sinned, he would not have sent me against you." - Chinghis Haan Temujin
  • furtissim#2177furtissim#2177 Registered Users Posts: 411
    I agree with the OP. I went back to Total War Three Kingdoms these last few weeks since I feel TWW3 is way too shallow and easy. After 40 turns or so, no one can ever touch you really.

    I love the 3K historical period and I do love TW3K. It's kinda bittersweet to go back to it too though. It's a brilliant game, but I feel it could have been the ULTIMATE war strategy game if the devs didn't abandon it so suddenly. Heck, the last DLC introducing Liu Yan and Liu Zhang as playable factions didn't even update their in-game traits, so they kept their faction-wide effects from when they were generic characters. THIS WAS PAID DLC CONTENT.

    I still play 3K since CA hasn't given me anything better, but oh boy, it's a painful remainder of how little love companies have for their work. They simply moved on all of a sudden RIGHT AFTER dumping their last DLC (full of bugs, thank you) on us.

    Really looking forward to TW3K-2, but I'm so scared they will now keep abandoning games all of a sudden. I am quite worried about TWW3 actually... The mood around TW3K was pretty good just before they abandoned it, and TWW3 already has a much worse feeling about it right now... Idk, maybe it's just me, but... Yikes.
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