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Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268

It's kind of sad, even with Total War Warhammer 3 now out.. and the Immortal Empires, I thought maybe, it would help me get over TW Three Kingdoms.... but it didn't. I've played TWW3 for about 210 hours now (im a bit of a casual i'll admit). I've played all of the races, had a great deal of fun with the variety of units and characters and all their cool little equipment and quests...

But now it's over, it's bland... they no longer interest me as much. There are no families and royal marriages for me to construct... there is no factional politics and intrigues for me to think about or do... there is no proper infiltration. I cannot create a Greenskin warboss, build him up and then assign him some cities to govern as a vassal state... I cannot construct intricate familial bonds with an allied nation to ensure their loyalty (or a justifiable reason for me not to genocide them).

It's severely lacking... but that is where Three Kingdoms COULD have continued to become the master of. The politics of Three Kingdoms was very interesting. Everything about TW Three Kingdoms as a game, made it far more interesting than Warhammer in my opinion... even with it's lack nations, it still managed to interest me more than Warhammer, simply because even if I was not following the history of the setting, I could manipulate the world and forge new generations of noble families... making some random captain, into a lord of an entire faction, within my empire and securing his lineage by politically marrying it to my clan.

What a shame. I sincerely hope that CA is cooking up something like Total War Asia or something...

razenb#1517

Dont like the asia setting but 3k is miles ahead of wh3 when you compare gameplay mechanics

Rewan#2358

Still waiting for a final patch.

Vin362#6699

Rewan#2358 said:

Still waiting for a final patch.

CountSpookula#8662

Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268 said:

It's kind of sad, even with Total War Warhammer 3 now out.. and the Immortal Empires, I thought maybe, it would help me get over TW Three Kingdoms.... but it didn't. I've played TWW3 for about 210 hours now (im a bit of a casual i'll admit). I've played all of the races, had a great deal of fun with the variety of units and characters and all their cool little equipment and quests...

But now it's over, it's bland... they no longer interest me as much. There are no families and royal marriages for me to construct... there is no factional politics and intrigues for me to think about or do... there is no proper infiltration. I cannot create a Greenskin warboss, build him up and then assign him some cities to govern as a vassal state... I cannot construct intricate familial bonds with an allied nation to ensure their loyalty (or a justifiable reason for me not to genocide them).

It's severely lacking... but that is where Three Kingdoms COULD have continued to become the master of. The politics of Three Kingdoms was very interesting. Everything about TW Three Kingdoms as a game, made it far more interesting than Warhammer in my opinion... even with it's lack nations, it still managed to interest me more than Warhammer, simply because even if I was not following the history of the setting, I could manipulate the world and forge new generations of noble families... making some random captain, into a lord of an entire faction, within my empire and securing his lineage by politically marrying it to my clan.

What a shame. I sincerely hope that CA is cooking up something like Total War Asia or something...

Fantasy titles sell regardless of if they're done to the same standard as historical titles, if you think CA/Sega execs values player experience very highly, you're sorely mistaken, near bare minimum = profit is the way Warhammer has almost always been (with numerous notable exceptions).

Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268

CountSpookula#8662 said:

Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268 said:

It's kind of sad, even with Total War Warhammer 3 now out.. and the Immortal Empires, I thought maybe, it would help me get over TW Three Kingdoms.... but it didn't. I've played TWW3 for about 210 hours now (im a bit of a casual i'll admit). I've played all of the races, had a great deal of fun with the variety of units and characters and all their cool little equipment and quests...

But now it's over, it's bland... they no longer interest me as much. There are no families and royal marriages for me to construct... there is no factional politics and intrigues for me to think about or do... there is no proper infiltration. I cannot create a Greenskin warboss, build him up and then assign him some cities to govern as a vassal state... I cannot construct intricate familial bonds with an allied nation to ensure their loyalty (or a justifiable reason for me not to genocide them).

It's severely lacking... but that is where Three Kingdoms COULD have continued to become the master of. The politics of Three Kingdoms was very interesting. Everything about TW Three Kingdoms as a game, made it far more interesting than Warhammer in my opinion... even with it's lack nations, it still managed to interest me more than Warhammer, simply because even if I was not following the history of the setting, I could manipulate the world and forge new generations of noble families... making some random captain, into a lord of an entire faction, within my empire and securing his lineage by politically marrying it to my clan.

What a shame. I sincerely hope that CA is cooking up something like Total War Asia or something...

Fantasy titles sell regardless of if they're done to the same standard as historical titles, if you think CA/Sega execs values player experience very highly, you're sorely mistaken, near bare minimum = profit is the way Warhammer has almost always been (with numerous notable exceptions).

No, I think it has more to do with the large background of Warhammer. It has been around as a tabletop game for a very long time, books, art, etc... Otherwise, every "fantasy" game out there would be selling more than games that are based off of the real world and history.

Rewan#2358

I mean I do sorta agree that Fantasy inherently has more "eye-candy" than historical. People complaining about "muh unit diversity" in 3K was a prime exemple imho.


But TW:W feels ... just shallow. And any time CA tries to add a bit more depth (settlement battles) the community just start behaving like manchilds. I don't think it's a bad game, far from it, but it just feels so boring to play, whilst 3K even in Romance always feels nice...

Vin362#6699

I'd like to add that as a tabletop game Warhamemer lends itself to adaption for strategy games.

To Rewan's point its a shame that they removed the minor settlement battles in WH3 because one of the things I loved in 3K was depending on the settlement you had defences in case you found yourself attacked by an enemy without much of warning after a declaration of war, in wh3 I'm more likely to lose now.

LESAMA#5456

Jep, wh3 is catching dust. No interest to play it anymore. Moved on to qualdrons of war and kingdoms and castles. Small titles but lot’s of fun.

united84#8186

TW3K was great but I highly doubt the sequel (TW3K2) will be match the first due to diminishing return, similar to how TWW is getting boring despite the massive resources being put into IE.

The right thing to do is to give the fans esp the asian fans, a true Total War flagship set in Asia. After all, we never got a heterogenous Total War game based in Asia, Shogun & Three Kingdoms were homogenous for the most part.

Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268

united84#8186 said:

TW3K was great but I highly doubt the sequel (TW3K2) will be match the first due to diminishing return, similar to how TWW is getting boring despite the massive resources being put into IE.

The right thing to do is to give the fans esp the asian fans, a true Total War flagship set in Asia. After all, we never got a heterogenous Total War game based in Asia, Shogun & Three Kingdoms were homogenous for the most part.

A Total War set in Asia would be amazing. Though I think the only historical period that covers most of Asia, would be something like Total War: Rise of the Mongols, covering Korea-Japan-China, all the way to Persia, India, Byzantium and the Rus. That even might be too big.

The issue of it being Homogenous isn't an issue... look at how popular the TW Shogun 1 and 2 were... and that is merely a little Japan, compared to the vastness and diversity of Asia, which would be like the size of the TWW3 world with very many cultures and races.

I think that would be very ambitious for CA, and I don't think their "Native" customer base would like that honestly... Though many people are fascinated by Japanese culture (thanks to the broad propagation of Anime and it's fantasy culture). The rest of our cultures are alien and highly under appreciated. I'm afraid, they would rather stick with what they know... and that is the European Base, with North Africa/Middle East enemies.

Regardless of what path they choose... as long as it doesn't get as stale as Warhammer and is far more in-depth like Three Kingdoms (with aspects of Crusader Kings). That would be perfection in my opinion.

furtissim#2177

I agree with the OP. I went back to Total War Three Kingdoms these last few weeks since I feel TWW3 is way too shallow and easy. After 40 turns or so, no one can ever touch you really.

I love the 3K historical period and I do love TW3K. It's kinda bittersweet to go back to it too though. It's a brilliant game, but I feel it could have been the ULTIMATE war strategy game if the devs didn't abandon it so suddenly. Heck, the last DLC introducing Liu Yan and Liu Zhang as playable factions didn't even update their in-game traits, so they kept their faction-wide effects from when they were generic characters. THIS WAS PAID DLC CONTENT.

I still play 3K since CA hasn't given me anything better, but oh boy, it's a painful remainder of how little love companies have for their work. They simply moved on all of a sudden RIGHT AFTER dumping their last DLC (full of bugs, thank you) on us.

Really looking forward to TW3K-2, but I'm so scared they will now keep abandoning games all of a sudden. I am quite worried about TWW3 actually... The mood around TW3K was pretty good just before they abandoned it, and TWW3 already has a much worse feeling about it right now... Idk, maybe it's just me, but... Yikes.

davedave1124#4773

I reckon when 3K2 arrives it will be very good, a decent jump in quality.

#568367

united84#8186 said:

TW3K was great but I highly doubt the sequel (TW3K2) will be match the first due to diminishing return, similar to how TWW is getting boring despite the massive resources being put into IE.

The right thing to do is to give the fans esp the asian fans, a true Total War flagship set in Asia. After all, we never got a heterogenous Total War game based in Asia, Shogun & Three Kingdoms were homogenous for the most part.

Knowing my people, an Asian total war would involve literally every faction starting with a -100 diplomatic relations and start at war with every other Asian kingdom.

mitthrawnuruodo#4895

My feelings are similar.

I still sometimes fire up TWWH after watching or reading high fantasy, but the interest wanes off very quickly..

It is not just that the strategic aspects that are almost willfully lacking. The tactical side of things are also not very interesting. Formations, facing, stances, army hierarchy etc are either non-existent or irrelevant. I mean why bother with all that when you can just fly your unit over the enemy battle line, spawn infinite units during battle or have your dinosaurs casually waltz through a solid block of pikes because "attack animations".

However as an Asian myself, no more Asian Total War for a while please. Avoid female warriors as well. [But keep those avenues open for modders.] I would not wish for the idiot horde to have any excuse to reviewbomb another historical total war game for stupid reasons. Would love a Medieval game, that carries forward 3K's incredible character focused gameplay and feudal retinue system.

But more than anything, at this point, I just want to see some updates. A developer blog at least. I think this is the longest Creative Assembly have ever gone without a single official update about a historical Total War game, even a Saga one.