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CA has failed to capitalize on Warhammer 3 and it’s hard to watch

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 Registered Users Posts: 2,749
edited November 2022 in Total War General Chat
This is not a doomsayer post, just an observation.

How do you fumble your post launch support this bad, 1 DLC in 15 months, no FLC apart from a LL that's model was already in the base game, also you can only access with IE so technically not free. What changed? The updates/patches are great, the bug fixes are awesome but these are necessary and expected when you release something with so many broken systems.

Regiments of Renown

Nobody cares about RoR packs, they were fine at first but now they have just become a curse. We have enough RoRs in the base roster now! You’re gonna sell DLC with RoRs anyway, so this is pointless.

End Game Scenarios

Why is this being applauded? It’s the exact same system as WH2 but with more races. Lots of aggressive armies spawn…
Does the Al have an actual objective apart from smash the world? Are they fighting towards a specific settlement/goal while you are trying to defend it or else? Nope they are just beat sticks.

FLC and DLC

Was this level of FLC support planned when you released WH3? Awhile ago I compared the Warhammer titles post launch FLC support, I have now updated it.


On the horizon...Regiments of Renown IV...yay?

Does CA not think that FLC don’t equate to sales and player numbers, FLC is an investment. I also felt the latest DLC was overpriced and over-appreciated. The majority of its content was built off a 2015 Pre-order DLC for half the price.

Before Chaos Dwarfs eventually come out next year, we could be right back in the same player count position we were before Immortal Empires dropped. That is an awful way to continue support for your flagship game and the only game CA has put out in 2 years.
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  • kaiki_utokyo#9006kaiki_utokyo#9006 Registered Users Posts: 614
    The thread is reasonable to me.
  • JToegiTheSnotling#6624JToegiTheSnotling#6624 Registered Users Posts: 2,403
  • Rheingold#6691Rheingold#6691 Registered Users Posts: 1,597
    CA's management is appalling at this stage, its really amazing how bad they have been. But always look on the bright side of life.... at least they are not twitter.

    Pretty sure they can pull this back somewhat but it still seems so unnecessary.
  • Schussel#7671Schussel#7671 Registered Users Posts: 1,039
    edited November 2022
    Maybe the Game is at its end and there isn't much to add that would be intresting and bought by the majority of normal players.

    Which important or iconic Legendary Lords of existing Factions are missing and players are desperatly waiting for?
    Which important or iconic Units of existing Factions are missing and players are desperatly waiting for?
  • Schub#9514Schub#9514 Registered Users Posts: 1,618
    I do not want to be petty but at least for me the Kharibdyss is not a FLC unit. You get only if you own the DLC Queen & Crown. Yes you can say that also for other free units but the difference is:
    - it was released only a few weeks (a month?) after Q&C
    - it is not enough to own the race (DArk Elves) you have to own a specific DLC for this race. So let's say you don't own Q&C but Shadow & Blade -> no Kharibdyss

    I guess this unit was a "marketing test" like "hey let's see if we can enhance the dlc purchases after it's initial release if we add a "flc unit" or maybe they just couldn't finish this unit in time and they didn't wan't to postpone the DLC because Norsca was released alongside with it....
  • RikRiorik#9890RikRiorik#9890 Registered Users Posts: 12,136
    Not super impressed with any of the time line from TWW3s announcement and until now. But in essenence it all started in TWW2 and just slogged on and got worse over time. I always felt that TWW2 dragged on for a bit too long too. Could have shaved at least a year off of it’s life and compressed it’s content releases.

    The problem was always that it’s an interation of the same game and it can only go on for so long before the sheen wears off.

    But I at least really like the Champions of Chaos DLC. Warriors of Chaos are fun to play now. All these years later.
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  • Darksteel83#1113Darksteel83#1113 Registered Users Posts: 593

    This is not a doomsayer post, just an observation.

    How do you fumble your post launch support this bad, 1 DLC in 15 months, no FLC apart from a LL that's model was already in the base game, also you can only access with IE so technically not free. What changed? The updates/patches are great, the bug fixes are awesome but these are necessary and expected when you release something with so many broken systems.

    Regiments of Renown

    Nobody cares about RoR packs, they were fine at first but now they have just become a curse. We have enough RoRs in the base roster now! You’re gonna sell DLC with RoRs anyway, so this is pointless.

    End Game Scenarios

    Why is this being applauded? It’s the exact same system as WH2 but with more races. Lots of aggressive armies spawn…
    Does the Al have an actual objective apart from smash the world? Are they fighting towards a specific settlement/goal while you are trying to defend it or else? Nope they are just beat sticks.

    FLC and DLC

    Was this level of FLC support planned when you released WH3? Awhile ago I compared the Warhammer titles post launch FLC support, I have now updated it.


    On the horizon...Regiments of Renown IV...yay?

    Does CA not think that FLC don’t equate to sales and player numbers, FLC is an investment. I also felt the latest DLC was overpriced and over-appreciated. The majority of its content was built off a 2015 Pre-order DLC for half the price.

    Before Chaos Dwarfs eventually come out next year, we could be right back in the same player count position we were before Immortal Empires dropped. That is an awful way to continue support for your flagship game and the only game CA has put out in 2 years.

    I agree the start for WH3 has been pretty bad. Unless you only wanted to play norsca WH2 was better then WH1 at the start or when ME launched.
    I dislike the current implementation of (minor)settlement battle so bad. That 2.2 is the first time I like WH3 even without mods. 2.2 still has its flaws

    I do like the new Chaos DLC tough. Even on the RoC map. The normal RoC campaign is still a play only once in my opinion.
  • Schub#9514Schub#9514 Registered Users Posts: 1,618
    edited November 2022
    Hm if you add Mortal Empires as FLC why is Immortal Empires missing in your table?

    Edit: as written below I "ignored" the picture in month 6 because I was distracted by "Chaos Warriors ripped from DLC" which made me smile.
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  • Pappa_Fra#8989Pappa_Fra#8989 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 323
    You can only judge CA on their actions and frankly the last 18 months have been poor.

    There may well be fair and reasonable explanations but I don’t think there can be any doubt. They have massively dropped the ball.

    I still have confidence they can turn it around if given the time and resources. I think there is a great game in there, especially if the DLC choices are good.
  • 1v0#35621v0#3562 Registered Users Posts: 2,347
    edited November 2022
    Agree, and from the looks of it we will get many more empty months slots until Q2 2023(April 01-June 30). with a really small chanse we get something before that... But even if we get something before that it still cant compare to WH1 and 2.....
    That is 5 more months if we don't get anything extra... 5 months of nothing... I hope we get atleast a LLs as the extra stuff...

    The game is getting stale because of the lack of new LLs... Just look at that by now we should have get 3 LLs in WH1 and 2 in WH2 FLCs (not counting DLCs)...

    So yeaaa I Agree !
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  • NickCageStoleMyFace#5594NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 Registered Users Posts: 2,749

    Hm if you add Mortal Empires as FLC why is Immortal Empires missing in your table?

    It is on the table
  • JToegiTheSnotling#6624JToegiTheSnotling#6624 Registered Users Posts: 2,403

    Maybe the Game is at its end and there isn't much to add that would be intresting and bought by the majority of normal players.

    Which important or iconic Legendary Lords of existing Factions are missing and players are desperatly waiting for?
    Which important or iconic Units of existing Factions are missing and players are desperatly waiting for?

    Bro....... This got to be a joke
  • 4fourcztery#60764fourcztery#6076 Registered Users Posts: 564
    CA apparently don't know how to make money. It's unnerving.
  • Schub#9514Schub#9514 Registered Users Posts: 1,618

    Hm if you add Mortal Empires as FLC why is Immortal Empires missing in your table?

    It is on the table
    sorry I got distracted by "Chaos Warriors ripped from DLC" :D
  • Maedrethnir#1968Maedrethnir#1968 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 17,365
    CA works in mysterious ways, and often I think it's more of a mystery than work.
  • Tyrant#1234Tyrant#1234 Registered Users Posts: 4,126
    The launch shambles stalled any momentum they might have had and they're still playing catch-up with these patches. It's not unique to WH3 though. CA was playing catch-up in WH2 for stuff they got wrong in WH1, like the content priority of early race/campaign packs wasting time on standalone mini campaigns at the cost of units people actually wanted and then having to add them later with DLC4DLC which they originally planned not to do. There was also the Norsca code stuff.

    Combination of biting off more than they can chew and faffing with features the fanbase wasn't really asking for and didn't really payoff. I think what most fans want is quite simple, we want more units and LLs, we want as many of those as humanly or inhumanly possible and we wanted them yesterday. Which is kind of why I was wary when CA started adding unique campaign mechanics for each LL... I mean it's cool to have them and all, but having to think up and implement new mechanics for each LLs kind of slows the rate LLs can be pumped out. And there's a lot of cool characters I'm affraid we'll never see at the rate CA are taking to release content.

    Maybe the solution is to make Unique Lords more of a thing along side LLs. Not quite LLs, but "Unique" Lesser Legendary Lords who don't have unique campaign mechanics, but still has bespoke skills trees and mounts fitting their lore. This could apply to the less fanfav elector counts and characters like the Helbanes etc.
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  • Sheikh_Nimr#9382Sheikh_Nimr#9382 Riyadh, Saudi ArabiaRegistered Users Posts: 1,722
    It should also be noted that there is currently no other "active" TW game, in the sense of DLC production. During WH1 and WH2's life circles, there were also updates/DLCs for Arena, Rome II, 3K, Saga etc. Of course, I'm sure that there are currently several games in development stage (the next tent-pole title, Saga and maybe even 3K2), but that's still the greatest lack of content since 2012, at least.


  • Vanilla_Gorilla#8529Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 Registered Users Posts: 39,734

    Hm if you add Mortal Empires as FLC why is Immortal Empires missing in your table?

    Bias.
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  • Vanilla_Gorilla#8529Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 Registered Users Posts: 39,734

    Maybe the Game is at its end and there isn't much to add that would be intresting and bought by the majority of normal players.

    Which important or iconic Legendary Lords of existing Factions are missing and players are desperatly waiting for?
    Which important or iconic Units of existing Factions are missing and players are desperatly waiting for?

    Give me ALL the Cathay DLC please and thank you.
    There are only two people better than me, and I'm both of them" - Vanilla Gorilla I am The Beast, Descendant of Guanyin, The one who beasts 25 hours a day, 8 days a week, The Vanilla Gorilla, The great bright delight, Conqueror of Mountains, Purveyor of wisdom, Official forum historian, Master Tamer of energy, the one they fear to name, Beastradamus, The Teacher, Master Unbiased Pollster, The Avatar of Tuesday, Chief hype Train Conductor, Uwu Usurper, Pog Wog Warrior, Poggers Patroller, Alpha of the species, Apex protector, Praetor of Positivity, Drybrush Disciple, Sophisticated Savage.
  • Heretical_Cactus#7598Heretical_Cactus#7598 Registered Users Posts: 3,033

    Hm if you add Mortal Empires as FLC why is Immortal Empires missing in your table?

    Month 6 ?
  • Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268Warlord_Lu_Bu#2268 Registered Users Posts: 3,208
    Maybe Warhammer just isn't as important as it was now that its foundation is complete. Or... maybe they are working on something really huge, so they can move on and leave a team of IT commandoes behind to root out and exterminate bugs.

    Or... maybe they are just taking a little break. To be fair... this is their biggest project that they have ever done... you guys should be thankful... we in the Three Kingdoms era, were left with an unfinished game and a "thank you for playing" notice.
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  • Reeks#2417Reeks#2417 Registered Users Posts: 10,365
    Nobody can ignore that CA botched up WH3 in a major way

    Questionable design decisions

    Game launching in beta state

    Failure to provide timely DLC


    Do that mean the game is dead as we speak? No of course not but it sure means that CA have alienated lot´s of costumers and that might bite them in the ass in the future.

    Could it mean that CA might drop the game earlier than expected? Absolutely, alienating too much of your playerbase by poor design decisions and scummy business practices might end up having a too big impact on future DLC sales, but then again it might not, it might be that anything WH related CA release in the future sell like hot cakes no matter the state/quality of it.



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  • HarveyJames#1968HarveyJames#1968 Registered Users Posts: 376
    the problem is CA just ignore feedback and do whatever .. thus they break everything and fix very little.. that they released WH3 in a worse state than WH2 was in was astounding and they have only gone on too break sieges and more things since release.. you cant get more HAM fisted approach if you tried..
    CA please give us Shogun Multi layer wall Sieges back along with Roles/Fog of war we want EPIC sieges!! 'personally i think the 3 kingdoms style of building armies is the best for balance alongside stronger unit roles and larger unit sizes' also allowing Chars too specialise in range/siege in particular in skills/traits..
  • ConstantineZAyn#4211ConstantineZAyn#4211 Registered Users Posts: 1,081
    Total war warhammer 3 is old news.

    CA is about to revolutionize the FPS genre. Hop on board, or get left behind 😏
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  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,142

    CA's management is appalling at this stage, its really amazing how bad they have been. But always look on the bright side of life.... at least they are not twitter.

    Pretty sure they can pull this back somewhat but it still seems so unnecessary.

    twitter is working fine for me. Guess they didn't need all those employees after all.
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  • Reeks#2417Reeks#2417 Registered Users Posts: 10,365

    Total war warhammer 3 is old news.

    CA is about to revolutionize the FPS genre. Hop on board, or get left behind 😏





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  • NickCageStoleMyFace#5594NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 Registered Users Posts: 2,749

    Total war warhammer 3 is old news.

    CA is about to revolutionize the FPS genre. Hop on board, or get left behind 😏

    Totally, cant wait for Sega Borderlands Prey Valorant Overwatch.
  • Beytran70#7597Beytran70#7597 Registered Users Posts: 429
    Meh. As long as the game eventually gets fixed up to be more stable I could care less how long it takes them to add new content. Between mods and all the stuff that is already there, plenty of variety remains.
  • Pocman#6295Pocman#6295 Registered Users Posts: 5,760
    I know people don't care much about MP... but this is twice as true if we are speaking about MP:

    MP always felt in TW as a mode that had huge potential because the battles were very visual, while at the same time, had almost zero investment by CA.


    Instead of solving the issues that were plaguing it and making minor investment into it (a proper MR system, statistic charts, etc.) CA has taken the chat out, added a half assed new mode while abandoning the old one, stopped balance passes...
  • Heretical_Cactus#7598Heretical_Cactus#7598 Registered Users Posts: 3,033

    Maybe Warhammer just isn't as important as it was now that its foundation is complete. Or... maybe they are working on something really huge, so they can move on and leave a team of IT commandoes behind to root out and exterminate bugs.

    Or... maybe they are just taking a little break. To be fair... this is their biggest project that they have ever done... you guys should be thankful... we in the Three Kingdoms era, were left with an unfinished game and a "thank you for playing" notice.

    It's kinda like building a joke and never giving the punchline/pay off
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