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It's been a pretty horrible year in terms of making me want to play Warhammer 3 like I played Warhammer 2.
Personally I barely played WH2 until somewhat 2019. ME was almost unplayable at launch and the Norsca debacle also did a huge part.
Skaven were unbelievably bland pre P&W.
I only played a Tyrion and a Malekith campaign before 2019 and that’s mostly it. Only with H&B I actually started to binge play WH2.
Compared to that I already have about 800 hours in WH3.
And yet WH3 should have built on the successes of WH2, but it didn't. There's almost always something in WH3 that just makes campaign fatigue kick in super fast. Settlement battle spam, AI behaviour either turtling too much or now just running around bothering minor settlements, and since the latest patch the fact that if you don't autoresolve battles you lose out on lord XP (and quite a lot, given how pursuit kills are so terrible) so actually fighting the battles is the wrong choice.
I lose interest in WH3 campaigns like turn 60 or so, they're just wearying after that.
It's been a pretty horrible year in terms of making me want to play Warhammer 3 like I played Warhammer 2.
Personally I barely played WH2 until somewhat 2019. ME was almost unplayable at launch and the Norsca debacle also did a huge part.
Skaven were unbelievably bland pre P&W.
I only played a Tyrion and a Malekith campaign before 2019 and that’s mostly it. Only with H&B I actually started to binge play WH2.
Compared to that I already have about 800 hours in WH3.
And yet WH3 should have built on the successes of WH2, but it didn't. There's almost always something in WH3 that just makes campaign fatigue kick in super fast. Settlement battle spam, AI behaviour either turtling too much or now just running around bothering minor settlements, and since the latest patch the fact that if you don't autoresolve battles you lose out on lord XP (and quite a lot, given how pursuit kills are so terrible) so actually fighting the battles is the wrong choice.
I lose interest in WH3 campaigns like turn 60 or so, they're just wearying after that.
Yes the Main devs failed to deliver WH3 properly. Luckily the post launch devs fixed most issues we had at launch and IE launched surprisingly smooth compared to the broken mess that was ME. So regarding IE CA did learn from previous mistakes.
I think it’s the main Devs to blame who are also responsible for the abomination called Realms of Chaos campaign. But the post launch devs are doing a fantastic job so far.
Like the lord XP thing is new, that's a patch 2.3 problem where they tied lord XP purely to number of in-battle kills. It means that any time you don't click Autoresolve on a lord who is less than about level 30 or so and so not really benefitting from XP any more you are doing it wrong, you will get less XP on a manually fought heroic victory than you would if you autoresolved for a phyrric one because every enemy unit that ran off the battlefield gives you nothing.
It's dumb, it makes you not want to fight battles.
Likewise the AI just beelining minor settlements where it isn't achieving any strategic advantage it's just being annoying because those are the only things it can fight.
Like the lord XP thing is new, that's a patch 2.3 problem where they tied lord XP purely to number of in-battle kills. It means that any time you don't click Autoresolve on a lord who is less than about level 30 or so and so not really benefitting from XP any more you are doing it wrong, you will get less XP on a manually fought heroic victory than you would if you autoresolved for a phyrric one because every enemy unit that ran off the battlefield gives you nothing.
It's dumb, it makes you not want to fight battles.
Likewise the AI just beelining minor settlements where it isn't achieving any strategic advantage it's just being annoying because those are the only things it can fight.
Didn’t they fix that LLs gain XP way to fast? Haven’t played since 2.3 so don’t know.
Minor bugs like that happen with each patch. It’s inevitable and was also the case in WH2. Back then each patch fixed X things and added Y bugs at the same time.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
No, that was the magazine that made that assumption based on a separate interview. Andy refused to name them the second time.
However, as already said, there are no current plans at this point, in the same way there was no current plans to do crossover or DLC for DLC (BM/WE) at the beginning of WH2.
As I’ve said, no one knows what’s going to happen after the first DLC cycle and that goes for forum experts.
Like the lord XP thing is new, that's a patch 2.3 problem where they tied lord XP purely to number of in-battle kills. It means that any time you don't click Autoresolve on a lord who is less than about level 30 or so and so not really benefitting from XP any more you are doing it wrong, you will get less XP on a manually fought heroic victory than you would if you autoresolved for a phyrric one because every enemy unit that ran off the battlefield gives you nothing.
It's dumb, it makes you not want to fight battles.
Likewise the AI just beelining minor settlements where it isn't achieving any strategic advantage it's just being annoying because those are the only things it can fight.
Didn’t they fix that LLs gain XP way to fast? Haven’t played since 2.3 so don’t know.
Minor bugs like that happen with each patch. It’s inevitable and was also the case in WH2. Back then each patch fixed X things and added Y bugs at the same time.
They "fixed" it by making it even worse. Instead of kills with a multiplier for victory type it's now flat kills, but *only* kills in the actual battle count. Units that are wiped out due to going under 20% or stacks that are wiped out because they are on force march or have been defeated twice you get *nothing*.
But if you autoresolve, no matter how narrow the margin of victory, you get the maximum amount of XP because they always count as kills in battle.
It's not a bug, it's dumb and bad design.
Like the way magic reserves and reserve skills work is dumb and bad design and has been since release (hey let's have a single digit percentage multiplier to a number smaller than ten, that will feel impactful!). And they still have not gone through and thoroughly fixed this, there are still a bunch of "8% when increasing" pathetic trash things in the game.
If they released meaningful hotfixes between patches where this sort of minor stuff got fixed that would be one thing, but they don't. They release patches that make these tiny steps forward but always include some that are sideways and backwards at the same time and then we're stuck in a campaign state where whatever new broken thing is the norm for at least a month, and now for 3-4.
No, that was the magazine that made that assumption based on a separate interview. Andy refused to name them the second time.
However, as already said, there are no current plans at this point, in the same way there was no current plans to do crossover or DLC for DLC (BM/WE) at the beginning of WH2.
As I’ve said, no one knows what’s going to happen after the first DLC cycle and that goes for forum experts.
Nope, wrong again. It's the second time I'm correcting you on this, so I hope it's just a case of bad memory. The interviewer mentions Khuresh twice in fact. Subsequently, Andy confirms that there are no short or long-term plans for these factions, as they are not mentioned in the roadmap. Start from 1:20:20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOhfmyZ2UOA
But, yes, of course, the future is unknown and everything can change. CA may add them in the end. Or maybe Amazons will be added. Or Hobbits. What about the Ummayad Caliphate? After all, unlike Ind, Nippon and Khuresh, CA hasn't explicitly rejected the last three.
No, that was the magazine that made that assumption based on a separate interview. Andy refused to name them the second time.
However, as already said, there are no current plans at this point, in the same way there was no current plans to do crossover or DLC for DLC (BM/WE) at the beginning of WH2.
As I’ve said, no one knows what’s going to happen after the first DLC cycle and that goes for forum experts.
Nope, wrong again. It's the second time I'm correcting you on this, so I hope it's just a case of bad memory. The interviewer mentions Khuresh twice in fact. Subsequently, Andy confirms that there are no short or long-term plans for these factions, as they are not mentioned in the roadmap. Start from 1:20:20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOhfmyZ2UOA
But, yes, of course, the future is unknown and everything can change. CA may add them in the end. Or maybe Amazons will be added. Or Hobbits. What about the Ummayad Caliphate? After all, unlike Ind, Nippon and Khuresh, CA hasn't explicitly rejected the last three.
I’m not to concerned about what the interviewer says, I’d like to know exactly what Andy says, do you have a quote of Andy specifically saying ‘Khuresh’? Again, because IT mentions a few names and Andy doesn’t give a definitive answer like he specifically did with Ind and Nippon we are still lacking that definitive quote you imagined you heard.
So, let’s not here anymore of this ‘I corrected you’ nonsense because you haven’t corrected anything. I was talking about what Andy said, not what IT or any other interviewer said.
Also of importance, Andy stated it’s always up to GW and GW answered fans in the positive about new races and the fact they have created a huge map with an empty space in the middle tells me there’s a reasonable chance as do those YouTubers who work closely with CA.
Now, naming Hobbits and Amazons who do not have a race or homeland on the map is a little different to a race who lives on a landmass the size of India, so, let’s not get silly.
So, just to confirm, when I say ‘have you got a quote of Andy saying something’ I’m not interested in what the interviewer said, I’m interested in what Andy said. If on one interview he specifically names Ind and Nippon and on the second refuses to be specific then that isn’t Andy specifically mentioning Khuresh is it? See?
It's not salvageable, Dave. If someone asks you whether the sky is blue or not and you reply yes, it is, then you can be quoted as confirming that the sky is blue, even though neither the sky nor the colour blue were included in the actual sentence. It's OK, you made a dumb mistake, no biggie, since nobody is flawless. It's the refusal to admit it that makes it look comically embarrassing.
It's not salvageable, Dave. If someone asks you whether the sky is blue or not and you reply yes, it is, then you can be quoted as confirming that the sky is blue, even though neither the sky nor the colour blue were included in the actual sentence. It's OK, you made a dumb mistake, no biggie, since nobody is flawless. It's the refusal to admit it that makes it look comically embarrassing.
No pal, I asked for something specific and you didn’t give it. The types of race is so broad it would cut out factions like the Hobgoblins or anything else without an armybook.
If it was so obvious (reminds me of the militant Cathay deniers) then the head of DLC would be less open minded, the YouTubers who work close with CA would claim they’re not coming yet they do believe these races have a reasonable chance like the rest of us.
It’s a well known fact that only I and a select few others in the forum have the ability to approach these issues in a reasonable way, that’s why I guessed things to be true like Sniktch, multiple dragons in the Elf DLC, a workshop for Ikit, the arrival of Cathay, Be’lakor not being the 9th LL etc.
You remind me of the super militant Cathay deniers, close minded and often wrong.
It's been a pretty horrible year in terms of making me want to play Warhammer 3 like I played Warhammer 2.
Personally I barely played WH2 until somewhat 2019. ME was almost unplayable at launch and the Norsca debacle also did a huge part.
Skaven were unbelievably bland pre P&W.
I only played a Tyrion and a Malekith campaign before 2019 and that’s mostly it. Only with H&B I actually started to binge play WH2.
Compared to that I already have about 800 hours in WH3.
a month into launch we got Mortal Empires 4 months into launch we got Tomb Kings 8 months into launch we got our first Lord Pack a year into launch we got Vampire Coast
WH3's 'live service' has been an abject joke.
I agree that WH3s Post launch content support is atrocious. CA entirely focusing on patches instead of real content was one of their worst decisions ever.
OK so the game at release was a mess and probably would have needed more time. Almost everyone agrees on this.
So why does everyone second person on this forum wants them to add more stuff on this?
With WH3 they actually seemed to try to fix or change issues people have before slapping more stuff on it.
Considering WH2 almost every DLC (technically the accompanying patch) has added even more bugs in the game. Does anyone remmeber the Mass changes and then the cavalry bug?
Sure in a perfect world we have enough people working on two things at once, but this isn't a fairytale and hiring even a dozen people in months is not gonna happen. With Norsca we had two different teams working and in the end the WH1 Norsca couldn't be simply converted into WH2.
The game released 6 months too early. Simple as that. Had the game released in August, Immortal Empires + Champions of Chaos released in September, everything would feel on track.
Yes, I would have liked more content, but that doesn't mean that the one we got was bad, even if I heavily dissagre with the placement of the LLs, the CoC DLC managed to bring life to 5 Races at once and IE and the WoC Rework have been way better than I expected.
And I don't know if I'm imagining things, but this post gave me the sensation that you just wanted to once again bring up the confederation thing but because you knew you would get swarmed in disagrees again you had to bury it in something else.
Cant say who, but one CA dev personally promised me they would introduce confederation for tomb kings and also for vampire coast. The catch is that it would come with this "new ways of confederating" like with the chaos warriors.
*Justice, cats and CONFEDERATION ENABLED for the Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast! feat mummies and Apophas. *Exclusive DLCs for Tomb Kings, Vampire Coast, BM, CW and WE! #DLCsAreRacesToo *Remaster all WH1 and WH2 faction icons for WH3! *Ogre Kingdoms core race or death! *Bring back settlement conquering artworks! *Gnoblar Carpet for Greesus *Improve UI
I think the launch hampered this year heavily alingside poor inital sales that orobs made sega throw on the breaks until champions of chaos and IE evened it out
I feel the title of your post doesn't really match the message you're trying to get across here, but you're entitled to an opinion just like any other human being... but given your name, it's hard to say for sure that you're actually a human being or not.
I mean, that's exactly what a robot would say after all...
To counter point- CA don't need to feel any shame at all, human beings aren't perfect after all, and everyone is prone to making mistakes in the learning process that is life. -Was Wh3 released too early? Yup, totes agree
-Was the Champions of Chaos DLC bad or "bloat pack units"? Nah mate. Did you even play WoC in WH1 or 2?, Massive improvement for the race overall, despite the critique that they are all "too easy to play". They needed to be brought up to a level where they feel like one of the most elite fighting forces in the Warhammer World, and whilst I have yet to play them myself, I have played in two multi-player campaigns where I have noted just how freaking awesome they were both visually and gameplay-wise.
-Reality vs Expectations It does suck when expectations aren't met, but that's life mate. Best thing to do is have 0 expectations about life, because then you can't be disappointed. Time heals all wounds, so let's see how you feel when we see the next content reveal. I'm willing to bet you''ll be lining up to ride that hype-train like a lot of others.
How to remove all responsibility from a company making multiple millions per year, selling a product to the public. There is a level of accountability here when you sell products to the public, you are open to public scrutiny regardless and no one owes you sympathy.
“Horrible” is a little dramatic. IE is a ton of fun and I’m having a great time with it.
I wouldn’t go as far to say that it was a great year either (because it definitely wasn’t) but all in all, the game is trending upwards and will continue getting better and better.
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I’m all out of bubblegum.
No, that was the magazine that made that assumption based on a separate interview. Andy refused to name them the second time.
However, as already said, there are no current plans at this point, in the same way there was no current plans to do crossover or DLC for DLC (BM/WE) at the beginning of WH2.
As I’ve said, no one knows what’s going to happen after the first DLC cycle and that goes for forum experts.
Nope, wrong again. It's the second time I'm correcting you on this, so I hope it's just a case of bad memory. The interviewer mentions Khuresh twice in fact. Subsequently, Andy confirms that there are no short or long-term plans for these factions, as they are not mentioned in the roadmap. Start from 1:20:20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOhfmyZ2UOA
But, yes, of course, the future is unknown and everything can change. CA may add them in the end. Or maybe Amazons will be added. Or Hobbits. What about the Ummayad Caliphate? After all, unlike Ind, Nippon and Khuresh, CA hasn't explicitly rejected the last three.
I’m not to concerned about what the interviewer says, I’d like to know exactly what Andy says, do you have a quote of Andy specifically saying ‘Khuresh’? Again, because IT mentions a few names and Andy doesn’t give a definitive answer like he specifically did with Ind and Nippon we are still lacking that definitive quote you imagined you heard.
So, let’s not here anymore of this ‘I corrected you’ nonsense because you haven’t corrected anything. I was talking about what Andy said, not what IT or any other interviewer said.
Also of importance, Andy stated it’s always up to GW and GW answered fans in the positive about new races and the fact they have created a huge map with an empty space in the middle tells me there’s a reasonable chance as do those YouTubers who work closely with CA.
Now, naming Hobbits and Amazons who do not have a race or homeland on the map is a little different to a race who lives on a landmass the size of India, so, let’s not get silly.
So, just to confirm, when I say ‘have you got a quote of Andy saying something’ I’m not interested in what the interviewer said, I’m interested in what Andy said. If on one interview he specifically names Ind and Nippon and on the second refuses to be specific then that isn’t Andy specifically mentioning Khuresh is it? See?
yeah they also said they fixed Tyrions quest line in the patch notes. Guess what? they didn't. Don't believe everything you read or here even if its from the "horses mouth" aka CA in this situation.
No, that was the magazine that made that assumption based on a separate interview. Andy refused to name them the second time.
However, as already said, there are no current plans at this point, in the same way there was no current plans to do crossover or DLC for DLC (BM/WE) at the beginning of WH2.
As I’ve said, no one knows what’s going to happen after the first DLC cycle and that goes for forum experts.
Nope, wrong again. It's the second time I'm correcting you on this, so I hope it's just a case of bad memory. The interviewer mentions Khuresh twice in fact. Subsequently, Andy confirms that there are no short or long-term plans for these factions, as they are not mentioned in the roadmap. Start from 1:20:20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOhfmyZ2UOA
But, yes, of course, the future is unknown and everything can change. CA may add them in the end. Or maybe Amazons will be added. Or Hobbits. What about the Ummayad Caliphate? After all, unlike Ind, Nippon and Khuresh, CA hasn't explicitly rejected the last three.
I’m not to concerned about what the interviewer says, I’d like to know exactly what Andy says, do you have a quote of Andy specifically saying ‘Khuresh’? Again, because IT mentions a few names and Andy doesn’t give a definitive answer like he specifically did with Ind and Nippon we are still lacking that definitive quote you imagined you heard.
So, let’s not here anymore of this ‘I corrected you’ nonsense because you haven’t corrected anything. I was talking about what Andy said, not what IT or any other interviewer said.
Also of importance, Andy stated it’s always up to GW and GW answered fans in the positive about new races and the fact they have created a huge map with an empty space in the middle tells me there’s a reasonable chance as do those YouTubers who work closely with CA.
Now, naming Hobbits and Amazons who do not have a race or homeland on the map is a little different to a race who lives on a landmass the size of India, so, let’s not get silly.
So, just to confirm, when I say ‘have you got a quote of Andy saying something’ I’m not interested in what the interviewer said, I’m interested in what Andy said. If on one interview he specifically names Ind and Nippon and on the second refuses to be specific then that isn’t Andy specifically mentioning Khuresh is it? See?
yeah they also said they fixed Tyrions quest line in the patch notes. Guess what? they didn't. Don't believe everything you read or here even if its from the "horses mouth" aka CA in this situation.
True, they also said they have no plans for cross DLCs or DLC for DLC.. so you never know.
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I lose interest in WH3 campaigns like turn 60 or so, they're just wearying after that.
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3 · Disagree 3AgreeI think it’s the main Devs to blame who are also responsible for the abomination called Realms of Chaos campaign. But the post launch devs are doing a fantastic job so far.
Now it’s time focus on more content.
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1 · 2Disagree 1Agreehttps://www.pcgamesn.com/total-war-warhammer-3/ind-nippon-khuresh
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1 · 3Disagree 1AgreeLike the lord XP thing is new, that's a patch 2.3 problem where they tied lord XP purely to number of in-battle kills. It means that any time you don't click Autoresolve on a lord who is less than about level 30 or so and so not really benefitting from XP any more you are doing it wrong, you will get less XP on a manually fought heroic victory than you would if you autoresolved for a phyrric one because every enemy unit that ran off the battlefield gives you nothing.
It's dumb, it makes you not want to fight battles.
Likewise the AI just beelining minor settlements where it isn't achieving any strategic advantage it's just being annoying because those are the only things it can fight.
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3 · 1Disagree 3AgreeMinor bugs like that happen with each patch. It’s inevitable and was also the case in WH2. Back then each patch fixed X things and added Y bugs at the same time.
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3 · 3Disagree 3AgreeHowever, as already said, there are no current plans at this point, in the same way there was no current plans to do crossover or DLC for DLC (BM/WE) at the beginning of WH2.
As I’ve said, no one knows what’s going to happen after the first DLC cycle and that goes for forum experts.
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0 · Disagree AgreeBut if you autoresolve, no matter how narrow the margin of victory, you get the maximum amount of XP because they always count as kills in battle.
It's not a bug, it's dumb and bad design.
Like the way magic reserves and reserve skills work is dumb and bad design and has been since release (hey let's have a single digit percentage multiplier to a number smaller than ten, that will feel impactful!). And they still have not gone through and thoroughly fixed this, there are still a bunch of "8% when increasing" pathetic trash things in the game.
If they released meaningful hotfixes between patches where this sort of minor stuff got fixed that would be one thing, but they don't. They release patches that make these tiny steps forward but always include some that are sideways and backwards at the same time and then we're stuck in a campaign state where whatever new broken thing is the norm for at least a month, and now for 3-4.
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2 · 1Disagree 2AgreeBut, yes, of course, the future is unknown and everything can change. CA may add them in the end. Or maybe Amazons will be added. Or Hobbits. What about the Ummayad Caliphate? After all, unlike Ind, Nippon and Khuresh, CA hasn't explicitly rejected the last three.
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0 · 4Disagree AgreeSo, let’s not here anymore of this ‘I corrected you’ nonsense because you haven’t corrected anything. I was talking about what Andy said, not what IT or any other interviewer said.
Also of importance, Andy stated it’s always up to GW and GW answered fans in the positive about new races and the fact they have created a huge map with an empty space in the middle tells me there’s a reasonable chance as do those YouTubers who work closely with CA.
Now, naming Hobbits and Amazons who do not have a race or homeland on the map is a little different to a race who lives on a landmass the size of India, so, let’s not get silly.
So, just to confirm, when I say ‘have you got a quote of Andy saying something’ I’m not interested in what the interviewer said, I’m interested in what Andy said. If on one interview he specifically names Ind and Nippon and on the second refuses to be specific then that isn’t Andy specifically mentioning Khuresh is it? See?
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2 · 4Disagree 2AgreeIf it was so obvious (reminds me of the militant Cathay deniers) then the head of DLC would be less open minded, the YouTubers who work close with CA would claim they’re not coming yet they do believe these races have a reasonable chance like the rest of us.
It’s a well known fact that only I and a select few others in the forum have the ability to approach these issues in a reasonable way, that’s why I guessed things to be true like Sniktch, multiple dragons in the Elf DLC, a workshop for Ikit, the arrival of Cathay, Be’lakor not being the 9th LL etc.
You remind me of the super militant Cathay deniers, close minded and often wrong.
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2 · 1Disagree 2AgreeSo why does everyone second person on this forum wants them to add more stuff on this?
With WH3 they actually seemed to try to fix or change issues people have before slapping more stuff on it.
Considering WH2 almost every DLC (technically the accompanying patch) has added even more bugs in the game. Does anyone remmeber the Mass changes and then the cavalry bug?
Sure in a perfect world we have enough people working on two things at once, but this isn't a fairytale and hiring even a dozen people in months is not gonna happen. With Norsca we had two different teams working and in the end the WH1 Norsca couldn't be simply converted into WH2.
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1 · 2Disagree 1AgreeI wouldn’t go as far to say that it was a great year either (because it definitely wasn’t) but all in all, the game is trending upwards and will continue getting better and better.
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