Wh 3 barrier to entry petition and vedio

saweendra#3399

i am not a legend fan but this is the best option for wh 3 and tww series so we as a fan base can enjoy the game further since i believe this will help increase sales of wh 3 and dlc

now for the recored i own everything baring coc since i hate chaos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0yS8AvKKdk

https://chng.it/j7YQnkCnBX

davedave1124#4773

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

saweendra#3399

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

Descolata#7225

The extreme sales are a sign that CA is feeling the hurt. The barrier to entry means they HAVE TO give away I,II, and III at ~$60-70 total to dream of adding new players.

Cutting barrier of entry would make super steep sales unnecessary. Warhammer I and II base would become effectively really chunky DLCs. We know the current DLC system works now, but the Triple Game barrier doesn't.

So, CA can fix it. They just need to change what is unlocked by ownership from IE to races (already implemented for most, hopefully the base races don't have problematic hard coding).

ThaKronic#6828

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

Inappropriate Personal Comment removed. Literally, just went through this experience with a friend who was interested in buying the game but didn't understand why they had to buy the previous games just so that we could play immortal empires (which he doesn't even understand what that means). Explaining what people need to buy is rather jarring for most new players who have never experienced CA games.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

In legends mind this would be good for him.

More players=more views.(And it might be for him in the short run but bad for CA and wh3)

And this forum also thinks it is so simple that more players=more profit.

But CA alone has the numbers. They have invested a ton. Maybe it is much better to sell piece by piece as they are doing even if it means half the customers.

That is what they have done thus far and more often then not companies are good at this. The cost must be compensated. End of story.

The numbers alone will decide. Alone.

And it is CAs right to decide. No matter what they do. And they will do their best to keep earning. If they 3k it then they tried their best.

If they release 1 dlc per year then you can bet they have run a ton of numbers.

The truth is you dont have the numbers and you are just spamming ignorance when you tell CA to give away stuff.

davedave1124#4773

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

saweendra#3399

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

but how do you explain to brand new player they should buy the other two games , its not like either of them are on perminant discount or roc is on the same level of IE

this isn't just legend but it has always been common suggestion

and this isn't about wh3 not doing well, its about insuring that it goes well beyond CA expectatipn so we can have more tww.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

I just think it's unfair TWW3 owners don't get access to content TWW3 pays for. TWW3 pays for Immoral Empires, its owners should get access to it.

It doesn't pass the fairness test.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 said:

I just think it's unfair TWW3 owners don't get access to content TWW3 pays for. TWW3 pays for Immoral Empires, its owners should get access to it.

It doesn't pass the fairness test.

It is fair that CA gets to sell their products as they see fit.

Anything else is unfair.

If you build a game. And you and your family goes into millions of dollars of debt. You spend a decade working on it. You will know when the race is run. When you are doing well or poorly. Whe you need to hire or fire. When you should give away or rise prices. If you do not you will be bankrupt soon enough.

davedave1124#4773

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

saweendra#3399

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales

Tennisgolfboll#5877

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

Ofc i dont know. That was the point!

And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.

It may be their best project or one of the worst.

Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.

davedave1124#4773

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

but how do you explain to brand new player they should buy the other two games , its not like either of them are on perminant discount or roc is on the same level of IE

this isn't just legend but it has always been common suggestion

and this isn't about wh3 not doing well, its about insuring that it goes well beyond CA expectatipn so we can have more tww.

How do you know they’re not? Do you think CA may have that info? As in brand new players buying all 3 or not buying all 3, if it was a true barrier do you think CA may do something about it or just carry on as normal?

Yes, an idea based on a lot of missing info, maybe CA are basing decisions on the info they get from Steam? I’m sure that’s more than possible if not more likely.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 said:

I just think it's unfair TWW3 owners don't get access to content TWW3 pays for. TWW3 pays for Immoral Empires, its owners should get access to it.

It doesn't pass the fairness test.

Too add on to my own comment I very much do not care about the business argument either way. This is just purely from a consumer standpoint.

To have the game revolve around a mode you need to buy three games for, that's rough.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

If CA had run numbers showing giving away all 3 games for free and selling dlc alone would be best then ofc they would do it.

CAs whole reason is to profit. It is the nr one (1) reason they exist. Nothing is as high prio for them.

davedave1124#4773

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

Ofc i dont know. That was the point!

And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.

It may be their best project or one of the worst.

Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.

I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?

Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.

If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.

Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Descolata#7225 said:

The extreme sales are a sign that CA is feeling the hurt. The barrier to entry means they HAVE TO give away I,II, and III at ~$60-70 total to dream of adding new players.

Cutting barrier of entry would make super steep sales unnecessary. Warhammer I and II base would become effectively really chunky DLCs. We know the current DLC system works now, but the Triple Game barrier doesn't.

So, CA can fix it. They just need to change what is unlocked by ownership from IE to races (already implemented for most, hopefully the base races don't have problematic hard coding).

Worst case is they could make TWW1-2 free.

It really would be good for the game and the community as a whole.

davedave1124#4773

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales

Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?

There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

Ofc i dont know. That was the point!

And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.

It may be their best project or one of the worst.

Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.

I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?

Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.

If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.

Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.

You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.

No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.

Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.

We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 said:

Descolata#7225 said:

The extreme sales are a sign that CA is feeling the hurt. The barrier to entry means they HAVE TO give away I,II, and III at ~$60-70 total to dream of adding new players.

Cutting barrier of entry would make super steep sales unnecessary. Warhammer I and II base would become effectively really chunky DLCs. We know the current DLC system works now, but the Triple Game barrier doesn't.

So, CA can fix it. They just need to change what is unlocked by ownership from IE to races (already implemented for most, hopefully the base races don't have problematic hard coding).

Worst case is they could make TWW1-2 free.

It really would be good for the game and the community as a whole.

CA has done the financials. So far this isnt the way forward. If they do it isnt because the suddenly felt to give back. It would only be about financials.

And if wh3 is ever going to become great it has to be a good project profit wise. It is the only way to get more wh3.

davedave1124#4773

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

Ofc i dont know. That was the point!

And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.

It may be their best project or one of the worst.

Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.

I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?

Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.

If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.

Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.

You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.

No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.

Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.

We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.

You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.

Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).

We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:

Constant high global sales on Steam
The second highest launch
Sega stating the game is back on track
High selling DLC
CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games

That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.

Passthechips#4366

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 said:

I just think it's unfair TWW3 owners don't get access to content TWW3 pays for. TWW3 pays for Immoral Empires, its owners should get access to it.

It doesn't pass the fairness test.

Immortal Empires probably wasn’t just built off of the potential profit of TW:WH3. It was built out of the ideas of a unified map that spanned three games and that content from the first two games would carry over.

IE was and continues to be a massive undertaking. It is also a game mode that easily promises 1000s of hours worth of content. The money to hours of entertainment ratio of the series is fantastic, especially if bought on sale.

It is also worth noting that each standalone game is worth it on its own merit. I got 100 hours of gameplay of the RoC map. I could have gotten more given enough time as there still are factions I haven’t played on it.
The same is true for the Vortex map.

This is akin to games like Elden Ring which gave me similar hours per $ spent, but with less desire for replayability and potential for more with IE.

I think the current business model is fine and fair. All that being said, I personally do not care one way or the other how they choose to monetize the game outside of whatever ensures the most development money for the game.

davedave1124#4773

#640471 said:

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 said:

I just think it's unfair TWW3 owners don't get access to content TWW3 pays for. TWW3 pays for Immoral Empires, its owners should get access to it.

It doesn't pass the fairness test.

Immortal Empires probably wasn’t just built off of the potential profit of TW:WH3. It was built out of the idea of a unified map than spanned three games and that content from the first two games would carry over.

IE was and continues to be a massive undertaking. It is also a game mode that easily promises 1000s of hours worth of content. The money to hours of entertainment of the series is fantastic, especially if bought on sale.

It is also worth noting that each standalone game is worth it on its own merit. I got 100 hours of gameplay of the RoC map. I could have gotten more given enough time as there still are factions I haven’t played on it.

The same is true for the Vortex map. This is akin to games like Elden Ring which gave me similar hours per $ spent, but with less desire for replayability and potential for more with IE.

I think the current business model is fine and fair. All that being said, I personally do not care one way or the other how they choose to monetize the game outside of whatever ensures the most development money for the game.

True, I imagine they started working on IE well before receiving any profits from WH3. It’s a total project, one planned from the beginning.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

Ofc i dont know. That was the point!

And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.

It may be their best project or one of the worst.

Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.

I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?

Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.

If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.

Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.

You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.

No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.

Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.

We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.

You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.

Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).

We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:

Constant high global sales on Steam
The second highest launch
Sega stating the game is back on track
High selling DLC
CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games

That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.

Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.

If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.

Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.

3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.

Neodeinos#5871

Having to pay all three games to get access to the main content which is IE isn't ideal. Immortal Empires is the whole point of the trilogy, we knew it was going to be a thing before Warhammer 1 was even out and I think many of us wouldn't have bought all the games if this campaign wasn't a thing.

With such a hefty price tag I can imagine it's putting off many people from getting into Total War Warhammer, even when the games are on sale and that's ignoring the very big list of DLC which makes things even worse. I can honestly relate, there are many games that I have never bought even though I was interested because of the big price to get all the content (cough Paradox games cough).

Giving Immortal Empires to everyone while having the content that you don't own as locked seems like common sense to me at this point. This would give a taste for new players to what the full experience is like, they are going to see the WH1 and WH2 races and think that they really want to try them out, this would encourage people to spend money to get the rest of the content.

Another problem we have because of this is that CA is limiting themselves for new content because it has to be somehow present in the Realms of Chaos campaign, they most likely can't make IE only DLC and the RoC map has limits because of its much smaller size. Some areas like Ind or Khuresh are not even physically present on the map so unless they find another way like making a mini campaign I doubt they could make them as DLC. Some LLs like Aislinn thematically would not fit in the RoC map, Aislinn is a sea themed lord but the thing is most of the RoC map is land, the seas on this map are very small. So unless CA decides to make mini campaigns to explore different part of the Warhammer world which I very doubt they would do it's going to limit which content they can do.

Of course I'm not pretending to hold the truth or have the "right" opinion maybe CA has done studies that suggest they would gain more by not doing that. But personally I think not giving IE to everyone is a missed opportunity and a mistake.

davedave1124#4773

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

Ofc i dont know. That was the point!

And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.

It may be their best project or one of the worst.

Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.

I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?

Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.

If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.

Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.

You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.

No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.

Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.

We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.

You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.

Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).

We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:

Constant high global sales on Steam
The second highest launch
Sega stating the game is back on track
High selling DLC
CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games

That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.

Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.

If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.

Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.

3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.

I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?

And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Neodeinos#5871 said:

Having to pay all three games to get access to the main content which is IE isn't ideal. Immortal Empires is the whole point of the trilogy, we knew it was going to be a thing before Warhammer 1 was even out and I think many of us wouldn't have bought all the games if this campaign wasn't a thing.

With such a hefty price tag I can imagine it's putting off many people from getting into Total War Warhammer, even when the games are on sale and that's ignoring the very big list of DLC which makes things even worse. I can honestly relate, there are many games that I have never bought even though I was interested because of the big price to get all the content (cough Paradox games cough).

Giving Immortal Empires to everyone while having the content that you don't own as locked seems like common sense to me at this point. This would give a taste for new players to what the full experience is like, they are going to see the WH1 and WH2 races and think that they really want to try them out, this would encourage people to spend money to get the rest of the content.

Another problem we have because of this is that CA is limiting themselves for new content because it has to be somehow present in the Realms of Chaos campaign, they most likely can't make IE only DLC and the RoC map has limits because of its much smaller size. Some areas like Ind or Khuresh are not even physically present on the map so unless they find another way like making a mini campaign I doubt they could make them as DLC. Some LLs like Aislinn thematically would not fit in the RoC map, Aislinn is a sea themed lord but the thing is most of the RoC map is land, the seas on this map are very small. So unless CA decides to make mini campaigns to explore different part of the Warhammer world which I very doubt they would do it's going to limit which content they can do.

Of course I'm not pretending to hold the truth or have the "right" opinion maybe CA has done studies that suggest they would gain more by not doing that. But personally I think not giving IE to everyone is a missed opportunity and a mistake.

That's the thing. Immortal Empires is without question the focus of TWW3. Putting the main campaign of a full price game behind two other full price games just doesn't pass the fairness test.

Tennisgolfboll#5877

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

Ofc i dont know. That was the point!

And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.

It may be their best project or one of the worst.

Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.

I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?

Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.

If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.

Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.

You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.

No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.

Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.

We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.

You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.

Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).

We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:

Constant high global sales on Steam
The second highest launch
Sega stating the game is back on track
High selling DLC
CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games

That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.

Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.

If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.

Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.

3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.

I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?

And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?

Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.

We will get the answer in due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)

davedave1124#4773

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

Tennisgolfboll#5877 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

davedave1124#4773 said:

This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.

what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.

dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us

The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.

I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.

Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.

You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.

Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.

Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:

Top of global charts = fine

What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.

So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.

Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.

Ofc i dont know. That was the point!

And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.

It may be their best project or one of the worst.

Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.

I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?

Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.

If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.

Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.

You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.

No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.

Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.

We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.

You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.

Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).

We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:

Constant high global sales on Steam
The second highest launch
Sega stating the game is back on track
High selling DLC
CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games

That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.

Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.

If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.

Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.

3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.

I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?

And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?

Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.

We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)

I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.

Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.