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Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
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Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
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Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claimed you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Lol just stop. You crack me up. You need to learn some basic concepts. Owning up to being wrong is key to learn dave.
You were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Lol just stop. You crack me up. You need to learn some basic concepts. Owning up to being wrong is key to learn dave.
You were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
When I use a basic philosophical tool to point out the nature of truth and your reply is:
‘You know you maybe living in a computer game Lol’
Then you’re not in a position to make judgements on others.
If something is very likely it’s a norm to say ‘this will happen’ as with the examples I’ve given.
In what way is that a problem for me that you can’t understand these concepts? I fully understand the nature of these concepts as I’ve just described them. Your over use of the term ‘lol’ tells me you’re struggling.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Lol just stop. You crack me up. You need to learn some basic concepts. Owning up to being wrong is key to learn dave.
You were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
When I use a basic philosophical tool to point out the nature of truth and your reply is:
‘You know you maybe living in a computer game Lol’
Then you’re not in a position to make judgements on others.
If something is very likely it’s a norm to say ‘this will happen’ as with the examples I’ve given.
In what way is that a problem for me that you can’t understand these concepts? I fully understand the nature of these concepts as I’ve just described them. Your over use of the term ‘lol’ tells me you’re struggling.
You clearly struggle with a lot of concepts. Including not flip flopping if you were wrong or not (you were).
I am happy for you that you have managed to admit it a few times but at the same time i feel for you when you regress dave.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Lol just stop. You crack me up. You need to learn some basic concepts. Owning up to being wrong is key to learn dave.
You were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
When I use a basic philosophical tool to point out the nature of truth and your reply is:
‘You know you maybe living in a computer game Lol’
Then you’re not in a position to make judgements on others.
If something is very likely it’s a norm to say ‘this will happen’ as with the examples I’ve given.
In what way is that a problem for me that you can’t understand these concepts? I fully understand the nature of these concepts as I’ve just described them. Your over use of the term ‘lol’ tells me you’re struggling.
You clearly struggle with a lot of concepts. Including not flip flopping if you were wrong or not (you were).
I am happy for you that you have managed to admit it a few times but at the same time i feel for you when you regress dave.
The concept of not flip flopping? Anymore famous philosophical concepts?
If you are 99% sure about something, Sun rising, the nature of the universe and many other things people are generally sure about you can say something a long the line of ‘this is true’ or ‘this is a fact’ Ben if the concept of that reality is hard to prove in the negative.
So, me saying ‘the game is doing well enough to not have the plug pulled’ is reasonable.
Now, if you have an argument beyond ‘lol inane comment’ that actually challenges what I’m saying let’s see it, if not.. cool.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Lol just stop. You crack me up. You need to learn some basic concepts. Owning up to being wrong is key to learn dave.
You were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
When I use a basic philosophical tool to point out the nature of truth and your reply is:
‘You know you maybe living in a computer game Lol’
Then you’re not in a position to make judgements on others.
If something is very likely it’s a norm to say ‘this will happen’ as with the examples I’ve given.
In what way is that a problem for me that you can’t understand these concepts? I fully understand the nature of these concepts as I’ve just described them. Your over use of the term ‘lol’ tells me you’re struggling.
You clearly struggle with a lot of concepts. Including not flip flopping if you were wrong or not (you were).
I am happy for you that you have managed to admit it a few times but at the same time i feel for you when you regress dave.
The concept of not flip flopping? Anymore famous philosophical concepts?
If you are 99% sure about something, Sun rising, the nature of the universe and many other things people are generally sure about you can say something a long the line of ‘this is true’ or ‘this is a fact’ Ben if the concept of that reality is hard to prove in the negative.
So, me saying ‘the game is doing well enough to not have the plug pulled’ is reasonable.
Now, if you have an argument beyond ‘lol inane comment’ that actually challenges what I’m saying let’s see it, if not.. cool.
You were wrong dave and that is ok. Just admit it and move on.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Lol just stop. You crack me up. You need to learn some basic concepts. Owning up to being wrong is key to learn dave.
You were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
When I use a basic philosophical tool to point out the nature of truth and your reply is:
‘You know you maybe living in a computer game Lol’
Then you’re not in a position to make judgements on others.
If something is very likely it’s a norm to say ‘this will happen’ as with the examples I’ve given.
In what way is that a problem for me that you can’t understand these concepts? I fully understand the nature of these concepts as I’ve just described them. Your over use of the term ‘lol’ tells me you’re struggling.
You clearly struggle with a lot of concepts. Including not flip flopping if you were wrong or not (you were).
I am happy for you that you have managed to admit it a few times but at the same time i feel for you when you regress dave.
The concept of not flip flopping? Anymore famous philosophical concepts?
If you are 99% sure about something, Sun rising, the nature of the universe and many other things people are generally sure about you can say something a long the line of ‘this is true’ or ‘this is a fact’ Ben if the concept of that reality is hard to prove in the negative.
So, me saying ‘the game is doing well enough to not have the plug pulled’ is reasonable.
Now, if you have an argument beyond ‘lol inane comment’ that actually challenges what I’m saying let’s see it, if not.. cool.
You were wrong dave and that is ok. Just admit it and move on.
Ah, so you’ve not challenged the core argument I made. Better luck next time old bean.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Lol just stop. You crack me up. You need to learn some basic concepts. Owning up to being wrong is key to learn dave.
You were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
When I use a basic philosophical tool to point out the nature of truth and your reply is:
‘You know you maybe living in a computer game Lol’
Then you’re not in a position to make judgements on others.
If something is very likely it’s a norm to say ‘this will happen’ as with the examples I’ve given.
In what way is that a problem for me that you can’t understand these concepts? I fully understand the nature of these concepts as I’ve just described them. Your over use of the term ‘lol’ tells me you’re struggling.
You clearly struggle with a lot of concepts. Including not flip flopping if you were wrong or not (you were).
I am happy for you that you have managed to admit it a few times but at the same time i feel for you when you regress dave.
The concept of not flip flopping? Anymore famous philosophical concepts?
If you are 99% sure about something, Sun rising, the nature of the universe and many other things people are generally sure about you can say something a long the line of ‘this is true’ or ‘this is a fact’ Ben if the concept of that reality is hard to prove in the negative.
So, me saying ‘the game is doing well enough to not have the plug pulled’ is reasonable.
Now, if you have an argument beyond ‘lol inane comment’ that actually challenges what I’m saying let’s see it, if not.. cool.
You were wrong dave and that is ok. Just admit it and move on.
Ah, so you’ve not challenged the core argument I made. Better luck next time old bean.
Old bean? Lol you may not know much but your are funny atleast.
Flip flop back to admitting you were wrong dave. Dont let your weak ego dominate you. Common you can do it!
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
Yes, yes even if it’s a global best seller it doesn’t matter because CA and Sega just went wild.
Do shush.
Just stop. Admit you were wrong and just move on.
You do not know wh3s profits. End of story.
Yeah pal, you can’t say a games doing well when it’s consistently number 1 in the global charts or if the company specifically says it’s meeting the targets. This reminds me of the time when you claimed a policeman would be chipper about taking man juice off your hands.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
Ofc i dont know. That was the point!
And you have no idea. None. It could be top 1 on steam for months. If the costs are higher and the profits lower than another project then it is bad for SEGA.
It may be their best project or one of the worst.
Could be set for years of content or allready 3ked.
I have no idea that WH3 is selling well apart from the fact it’s constantly in the global best sellers, with the other 2 games?
Yes, because CA and Sega are stupid enough to create a game that requires it to be at the top of the charts indefinitely to break even.
If a game goes to the top of the global charts for long periods.. it more likely to have gone well than not. That’s the most basic common sense I can think of. It’s the second highest best seller of all the TW games so I’d say we are ok.
Yes yes and the Earth may end tomorrow.. great points.
You have to bet big to win big. If you bet big and dont break even even if you look huge you lost.
No your steam ideas mean nothing. Wh3 could have not been top 10 ever and be the best project they ever did.
Or nr 1 and bleeding cost because of GW, issues or some other project being much better. SEGA does not have infinite cash if wh3 gives 5% profit but other projects 7% then they will move to them.
We do not know. But if wh3 keeps getting dlcs for years and often you can bet on it being a good investment. If it gets 3ked it isnt because CA felt like it. The numbers showed them it had to go.
You have to bet big to win.. I haven’t heard quality business chat like that since I heard ‘we need to go hardcore’, just before Twitter went up in flames.
Well, I can’t speak for made up issues that there’s no evidence for, according to Sega it bet expectations, lost expectations and is now recovering, we can also see the other 2 games flying out at certain points meaning new players are buying them (old players already own them).
We cannot know the finer details but these can help us lean in a certain direction:
Constant high global sales on Steam The second highest launch Sega stating the game is back on track High selling DLC CA not changing their policy on needing to own all 3 games
That is certainly enough to tell me that things are more likely going well than not and current policy is best for CA.
Your guesses are nothing but fantasy. You do not know how wh3 is doing at all.
If CA can make more money moving their employees and investments on other projects they will even if wh3 is top 5 on steam.
Or if it drops to rank 50 and they profit greatly from it they will keep doing dlcs.
3k was cancelled because CA ran the numbers and their resources were better spent elsewhere.
I’m guessing what CA and Sega said which is referenced fact and also clear sales info as in the game going to the top of Steam global charts?
And there’s no evidence to suggest WH3 is anything like 3K, so why get all emotional?
Yeah we can guess. That is fun. But we dont know. Your steam guesses doesnt say anything if wh3 is 3ked allready or absolutely smashing it.
We will get the answer i due time with what will happen to wh3 (how many dlcs etc)
I said the game is selling well, games that sell well go to the top of the global charts on a regular basis. That’s a simple fact.
Yes we will and I’ll be totally shocked if it doesn’t end up like 3K.. honestly.
The only thing that determines wh3s fate is if the profits make it a good project or not. It is fun to check metacritic, steam or the forum and discuss but only profits will determine the fate.
You don’t check Steam metrics to check if a game is at the top of the global charts.. you check the global charts. It’s more than reasonable to state that a game is doing well if it is at the top of those charts for long periods. Now, we can guess that Sega for some reason quadrupled the costs but there’s no evidence to suggest that, so, not really worth worrying about.
This would be a good point if all 3 games weren’t flying out in terms of sales.
what about the times when its not in sale what about the people who only get wh 3 on sale and decide its not worth it to get the other two sales or not.
dave the higher the sales of wh 3 better for all of us
The high sales for WH3 is there and you can’t expect WH1 and WH2 to fly out at full price considering their age.
I think LoTW should really stick with playing the game as this is beyond him, especially not knowing the sales info on each game. Looking at how much all 3 race to the top of the charts whenever a DLC comes out or a major update I don’t think this is a massive issue.
Personally, I’m not worried about the trilogies sales, they’re doing ok.
You have no idea how they are doing. The best info we have is the latest financial reports on SEGA and their notes om CA. And their take was it was disapointing. But since we have no exact numbers for this part of SEGA we dont know what that means. It could just mean they are doing great but expected earth shattering. Or that they expected good and it is doing poorly.
Wh3 may allready be cancelled or have plans for 5+years. You have no idea. Looking at steam tells you nothing of CAs profits.
Haha like you do? I think the fact that all 3 hang around the top of the charts every time something happens tells me sales are doing well. Underlined by this simple sum:
Top of global charts = fine
What gives me the idea that WH3 won’t be cancelled is CA saying it’s long term even recently and the fact that the last DLC sold extremely well.
So just to underline, being at the top of the global charts on a regular basic is a good sign for high sales and CA saying they intend to support the game is also a good sign that I’m of course right.
Also, if I’m wondering who has the better understanding on sales between CA, a Youtuber and few ‘concerned forum attendees’ it’s probably CA.
he never claimed that his claim is this will further boost sales
Halving the price would increase sales.. what do you think?
There’s a balance to be had here and CA’s and LoTW isn’t in alignment, that’s all that’s happening here. Is there evidence that LoTW is more likely correct in terms of balancing between sales and overall profit? I’ve not got enough info to say.
yes he is correct there is more than 1 person who has been turned off by the full combined price tag
there is more than enough evidence to say CA will cancel wh 3 support ones wh 3 dlc ( wh 1 or wh 2 or there dlc) failes to meet expectations
and there is evidence to say they will expand there support if the sales exceed expectations. this is the most important part
this is the important part dave it doesn't matter wh 2 or wh1 does well or not these games already exceeded expectations while wh 3 is still catching up
thats what saga reports say there expectations are set using wh 2 sales . what i want with this is to push wh 3 sales beyond expectations thus allowing for increased support not the current sate we are in right now
Some people may be turned off but the £49.99 price tag, is he suggesting putting the price down?
Again, buying all 3 may put some off but the higher cost of having to buy those older games and DLC makes up for customers list. If CA changed the price to £20 and offered done of the DLC as standard, for sure it’ll sell more but does that make it the best option?
All I’m hearing from LoTW is less overall cost equates to more customers but that’s baby economics to me. Of course if you offer a better deal you get more sales but there’s a balance involved here that no one has argued for.
Let’s see your financial report, with evidence on the exact finances, maybe that will change CA’s mind. I have a sneaking suspicion that merely saying more players = 👌 isn’t enough for them.
he is asking to 1. make all wh 3 owners get acess to IE 2. lock any wh 2/ wh 1 and their dlc as dlc for IE
look CAs decision making more or less depend on current sales ? and current sales for new dlc?
so will the new dlc sales be higher if more people spend their money on buying new dlc ? i mean its that simple dave old dlc sales , old game sales have very little impact on CA bottom line since they are trickle sales .
what matters are game launches and dlc launch sales since they have bigger impact which is why CA more or less try to have at least one game annually right before the fincial years end
Anyone who wants access to the main map must buy the 2 other games. Now, what if people are buying the 2 other games because they want access to the main map?
If you were a financial advisor what would you say to CA?
If people are buying all 3 games why would they change what they’re doing? This is the issue, you need the financial info to workout which option is best, we don’t have that info so how can we claim to know what’s best?
the thing is how you market them , right now thats a addtional 120 dollars or 60 some dollars USD depending on sales to get in to the premir mode
as legend him self said if ROC on its was good none of this would matter but its not good enough to do that vortex at the very least was good enough to do that
make players want to spend more to get it plus it was what 30ish dollars if sale to get in to begin with since you only had to get one other game
now you have bad mode plus extra 50% increase to get in to the game how do CA or any one convince a brand new player one who has not played Wh1 or 2 or any TW game to pick that up?
how can you market that even the highest selling game this year only had 60 dollar entry cost while IE has 180. and that sold for 17.5 million copies.
there is a point dave sheer quantity can beat quality
You’re making this up. You know, there are lots of people who know nothing about RoC or all the tears around it. I had a few friends who played it and liked it.. why? They have no interest in forum discussions or watching YouTube. We exist in an echo chamber here and funnily enough most new players couldn’t care less what this forum or LoTW think about the game. Now, they may read the reviews and hear how good IE is and invest further into the game. Considering the constant sales of WH2 and WH1 that could well be happening.
Now, if no new players were investing into the other 2 games I think this could flag up an issue for CA and could take action. However, what if new players are buying the other 2 games? Why would CA cut off that profit?
You all have a theory and that’s great, but, I think you all have excessive faith in the conclusion.
Maybe it’ll be better for CA.. and maybe it won’t.
and i have few freinds who didn't want to fork it out played it on game pass said it was meh and moved on,
either case i am not making it up dave there is a reason game prices over the past decade have been constant around 60 bucks for entry its because thats the price customers are willing per pay for entry any thing beyond that is usually hard to sell
if companies could sell for higher they would so it makes the case on its own if lower the price of entry to IE which is the superior game than it will bump up sales of dlc for IE
Yep, some do some don’t but let’s assume CA are making decisions based on the force department in Sega who I assume know what they’re talking about and have the correct information at hand to make a reasoned decision.
Is your ego so weak you cant handle admitting you dont know what profits wh3 has?
You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Or will you keep showing your frail ego?
I’m not wrong, your lack of common sense isn’t my issue. If you do want to robotically copy similar things I say I’d appreciate It if you applied a grain of logic to what you say.
Muuuh show me some proof WH is doing ok
Consistently in the top sellers on Steam including DLC Sega said it’s doing ok
Muuuf show me some proof WH is doing ok
Please be quiet.
Lol! Ofc you are wrong. You have no idea how much profit wh3 has.
The fact you cannot admit this is embarassing. Keep protecting your fantasy bubble if you want but it will only hurt you on the long run when you let a weak ego dominate.
Still crying CSI?
Let’s just ignore what Sega said then genius.
Lol just admit you were wrong and have no clue about the profits of wh3. Is your ego really this weak? Pathetic
Sega: Sales are now meeting expectations
CSI: muuuh what do Sega know?!
🤦🏻
Lol just admit you do not know what profits wh3 has. You cant seriously be this ego frail? You were wrong. It happens. Now move on before you embarass yourself even more.
Just checking where I said I know CA’s exact profits..
Who are you even arguing with?
So you finally admit you do not know if wh3 is giving the profits it needs to? Because you do not know. At all.
Excellent. A long road it has been of denial from you but admitting ones mistakes is the first step of learning so kudos to you
I’m saying as much as Sega did, the sales are meeting expectations which is of course connected to profit, even if we don’t know the exact figures.
But no, I never said I knew the exact amount I simply repeated Sega’s line. I hope that’s an important lesson for you to not jump into a conversation without fully understanding what’s being communicated. You live and learn CSI.
Lol so you were right when you were wrong? You must have the frailest ego ive seen!
Good to hear you admit you dont know if wh3 shows the profits it needs to though.
I said sales/profit is fine because it Sega said so and the game is selling well, which you replied ‘muuuh how do you know how much profit they made?’
Which I think we can agree is an odd thing to reply to what was being said. As I say though, you sometimes get excitable and lose your footing in reality.. say no more.
Ego couldnt take it huh? So frail! Lol you are back with your absurd idea that you think you know if wh3 is profitable enough. You dont know!
I’m simply agreeing with what Sega said, I mean, if you don’t believe them that’s fine.. not into conspiracy theories myself but each to their own.
So you finally admit you dont known if wh3 is profitable enough?
Sounds a lot like you rather try to talk about something else. Just say you were wrong and move on.
No, as said previously I know from the evidence shown from both Sega and CA that currently there is no plans to pull the plug on the game.
If you don’t think that - cool. However, after looking at the evidence I see no reason to think the plug will be pulled before the next DLC.
Lol! You said you didnt know a few posts ago...
Im not surprised you changed your mind yet again! To hard for your ego to admit the truth.
You dont know what the plans for wh3 is dave. You embarass yourself when you claim you do. You are guessing like the rest of us.
No, probably not. Again, according to the evidence there’s nothing to suggest the game will be picked. With that in mind the game will not be pulled (unless some evidence appears to contradict that).
Many things could happen but the evidence points to a no.
If you think there’s a reasonable chance then that’s absolutely fine, I simply don’t agree.
My guess is wh3 will get more dlc. But i dont know. And you do not know dave. You were wrong when you said you did know. Admit it and move on.
It’s very unlikely that WH3 will get pulled be fired the first DLC, due to no evidence suggesting it will happen and statements from Sega and CA suggesting the opposite will happen.
I can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
You dont know how profitable it is compared to other projects dave. You dont know how many dlcs (if any) will be coming. You were wrong.
You were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
I know it’s profitable enough for Sega to say it’s starting to meet pre-evaluated targets, so, why would they turn off a game that’s meeting targets? Hi hat makes 0 sense, hence, there’s 0 reason to believe the game will be switched off, which is my position.
3k exceeded all targets in SEGA communication. And SEGA didnt say one bad word about it and it was cancelled dave.
You dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
Not in concurrent players, DLC sales and post release sales. I don’t care if initial sales were good, there was no evidence to suggest it was meeting targets at the time the plug was pulled.
WH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
You dont know if wh3 is profitable enough dave. You allready admitted it. Why cant you stick to it? Is your ego so weak?
I do, Sega told me.
You making things up now dave? Is it so hard to admit you were wrong? I promise you your ego will survive
Sega: sales are meeting expectations CA: now what? Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
I dont think it is likely. As ive said many times. But we dont know dave. And when you claim you did you were wrong. End of story.
You can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
If something is very unlikely and there’s no evidence to back up a different scenario then it’s reasonable to say ‘this will happen’. At no point is anyone obliged to add (but you never know) to every single statement.
I can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
But you have said many times you know. Only to flip flop and then say you dont know.
And when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
Either not understanding or ignoring what’s been said.
I know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
You know you maybe living in a computer program?
Lol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
I know I can’t prove I’m not living in a computer program. See the difference? Pay attention to what’s being communicated.
I feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
Lol just stop. You crack me up. You need to learn some basic concepts. Owning up to being wrong is key to learn dave.
You were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
When I use a basic philosophical tool to point out the nature of truth and your reply is:
‘You know you maybe living in a computer game Lol’
Then you’re not in a position to make judgements on others.
If something is very likely it’s a norm to say ‘this will happen’ as with the examples I’ve given.
In what way is that a problem for me that you can’t understand these concepts? I fully understand the nature of these concepts as I’ve just described them. Your over use of the term ‘lol’ tells me you’re struggling.
You clearly struggle with a lot of concepts. Including not flip flopping if you were wrong or not (you were).
I am happy for you that you have managed to admit it a few times but at the same time i feel for you when you regress dave.
The concept of not flip flopping? Anymore famous philosophical concepts?
If you are 99% sure about something, Sun rising, the nature of the universe and many other things people are generally sure about you can say something a long the line of ‘this is true’ or ‘this is a fact’ Ben if the concept of that reality is hard to prove in the negative.
So, me saying ‘the game is doing well enough to not have the plug pulled’ is reasonable.
Now, if you have an argument beyond ‘lol inane comment’ that actually challenges what I’m saying let’s see it, if not.. cool.
You were wrong dave and that is ok. Just admit it and move on.
Ah, so you’ve not challenged the core argument I made. Better luck next time old bean.
Old bean? Lol you may not know much but your are funny atleast.
Flip flop back to admitting you were wrong dave. Dont let your weak ego dominate you. Common you can do it!
Again, not attacking the core argument and saying flip flop.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeI can comfortably say, with that in mind, the game will receive more DLC and will not be pulled before receiving that DLC.
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0 · Disagree AgreeYou were making such progress two days ago when you admitted it. Why the regression now? Your ego can handle it so at it again.
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0 · Disagree AgreeYou dont know if wh3 has allready been 3ked. You were wrong dave!
Flip flop back to admitting it!
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeWH3 is currently meeting targets and there’s your difference.
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Sega: pull the plug
I don’t agree that’s a likely scenario. If you do that’s fine, but, not for me.
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0 · Disagree AgreeYou can try and move the goal posts all you like. It wont help you were still wrong.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeI can say for example ‘someone is a murderer’ because they were found guilty in a court of law. At no point however, am I obliged to say ‘but he may not be because a few cases have been wrong in the past’.
If something is very likely based on what’s known it’s perfectly acceptable to say so without adding every other slight possibility.
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0 · Disagree AgreeAnd when you said you knew you were wrong dave.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeI know that the plug isn’t being pulled, like I know certain murderers are murderers due to the evidence, I know the Sun will rise tomorrow, I know the nature of existence etc.
I know there’s a small possibility some are innocent, I know there’s a small possibility the sun will explode, I know I maybe living in a computer program rather than a natural universe and I know there’s a possibility that the plug may get pulled but..
It’s reasonable to say you know all the above to be true. See?
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0 · Disagree AgreeLol
No dave what you dont know is how much profit wh3 has compared to other projects. You were wrong. It happens. Accept it dave.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeI feel silly now for trying to introduce basic philosophical concepts. That’ll teach me.
But, you see the issue? Just because I can’t prove 100% that something isn’t true doesn’t mean I have to mention it every time I make an argument that contradicts it.
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0 · Disagree AgreeYou were wrong about knowing how profitable wh3 is and needs to be. Admit it and move on.
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0 · 1Disagree Agree‘You know you maybe living in a computer game Lol’
Then you’re not in a position to make judgements on others.
If something is very likely it’s a norm to say ‘this will happen’ as with the examples I’ve given.
In what way is that a problem for me that you can’t understand these concepts? I fully understand the nature of these concepts as I’ve just described them. Your over use of the term ‘lol’ tells me you’re struggling.
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0 · Disagree AgreeI am happy for you that you have managed to admit it a few times but at the same time i feel for you when you regress dave.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeIf you are 99% sure about something, Sun rising, the nature of the universe and many other things people are generally sure about you can say something a long the line of ‘this is true’ or ‘this is a fact’ Ben if the concept of that reality is hard to prove in the negative.
So, me saying ‘the game is doing well enough to not have the plug pulled’ is reasonable.
Now, if you have an argument beyond ‘lol inane comment’ that actually challenges what I’m saying let’s see it, if not.. cool.
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0 · Disagree AgreeFlip flop back to admitting you were wrong dave. Dont let your weak ego dominate you. Common you can do it!
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeHave you got anything for me?
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