New Old World article.

mecanojavi99#6562

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/11/old-world-development-diary-explore-the-war-torn-lands-of-the-world-that-was/

TLDR: Confirms the time period as being right before Asavar Kul's invasion and the Siege of Praag, the 4 Empire Factions in the civil war and that Asavar Kul is amassing his forces.

Bies#4376

well Asavar Kul will get model

SerPus#7395

mecanojavi99#6562 said:

Confirms the time period as being right before Asavar Kul's invasion and the Siege of Praag

I don't know why some people expected it to be anything else.

Passthechips#4366

It’s important to remember, though, that even though the setting is returning, these events still happened, and that the Old World was destroyed. The End Times had long been foreshadowed in the background of Warhammer Fantasy Battle.

They’re really trying to convince the “end times never happened” crew, huh?

DarthEnderX-#6513

Bies#4376 said:

well Asavar Kul will get model

But will he get a LL?!

AxiosXiphos#9040

This is the worst paragraph ever written in warhammer history - and now my interest in the 'Old world' has dropped by about 50%.

**** - just give us some vague hint that timelines merge and collapse and what could be might not be what has been or something... Don't spit in our face.

Grba#3181

Bies#4376 said:

well Asavar Kul will get model

Hope that we will get his personal Kurgan guards along with him..

SerPus#7395

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

**** - just give us some vague hint that timelines merge and collapse and what could be might not be what has been or something...

Why would they do anything like that?

Neodeinos#5871

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

This is the worst paragraph ever written in warhammer history - and now my interest in the 'Old world' has dropped by about 50%.

**** - just give us some vague hint that timelines merge and collapse and what could be might not be what has been or something... Don't spit in our face.

Dunno why you were expecting them to retcon the End Times. Yes it's unpopular but they have no reason to retcon it.

DarthEnderX-#6513

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

This is the worst paragraph ever written in warhammer history - and now my interest in the 'Old world' has dropped by about 50%.

Why the hell would this matter? TOW is centuries before the ET. It's not like they were ever going to get back to the present and have a different outcome.

Mogwai_Man#4978

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

This is the worst paragraph ever written in warhammer history - and now my interest in the 'Old world' has dropped by about 50%.

**** - just give us some vague hint that timelines merge and collapse and what could be might not be what has been or something... Don't spit in our face.

GW said from the beginning it was a prequel setting.

Otters007#7127

Who's in charge of Sylvania at this point? Mannfred again? Sigh. Would have been cool to see Vlad and Isabella in this setting. We already got Mannfred in AOS.

Mazisky#3267

Question:

Is there a chance that stuff from "The Old World" will be ported to the game aswell?

Nyxilis#3646

Mogwai_Man#4978 said:

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

This is the worst paragraph ever written in warhammer history - and now my interest in the 'Old world' has dropped by about 50%.

**** - just give us some vague hint that timelines merge and collapse and what could be might not be what has been or something... Don't spit in our face.

GW said from the beginning it was a prequel setting.

Doesn't mean you have to rub it in our faces like their repeated nonsense lines.

If I choose to sink money into OW it's not going to be because I want to celebrate AoS or anything to do with AoS.

SerPus#7395

Otters007#7127 said:

Who's in charge of Sylvania at this point? Mannfred again? Sigh. Would have been cool to see Vlad and Isabella in this setting. We already got Mannfred in AOS.

Mannfred was killed 150 before the Great War Against Chaos and resurrected only 200 years after it.

Grba#3181

I wonder if those 4 Emperors will be the LLs for Empire,also how will they decide which of the smaller Empire regions deserves one...

I hope that Asvar Kul and who ever is coming with him from the Kurgan side gets a little bit of "nomadic" feel in their designs,while guys from Norsca like Engra,Valnir,Sven or Valmir get "viking" feel in their designs...

BaronKlatz#7357

Passthechips#4366 said:

It’s important to remember, though, that even though the setting is returning, these events still happened, and that the Old World was destroyed. The End Times had long been foreshadowed in the background of Warhammer Fantasy Battle.

They’re really trying to convince the “end times never happened” crew, huh?

They knew they’d have to ever since the start. That’s why the first article started with the End Times, following articles advertised ET books like the Kislev one “read this book to see the apocalyptic ending of this faction” and the last one said this game will be the most exciting thing to hit the old world since the chaos moon did.

Angry people in this thread and just the sheer misinformed people across the Internet high on copium that were convinced this is a replacement game for AoS and not a sidegame by Forge World need this hammered through their hard heads with Ghal Maraz itself. (It is amusing how many End Times are in this article though, some grognard must have gotten under their skin)


Anyway interesting stuff.

1. “ In the centuries that followed numerous claimants to the imperial throne emerged, deepening the divides between the provinces of the Empire and prolonging the civil war. Thus, at the time Warhammer: The Old World is set, in the years before the Siege of Praag, the Empire stands divided – riven by intrigue and beset by internecine war. Of the many provinces that once formed the Empire, four stand tall, their mighty rulers pressing their claim for the imperial throne and hoping to reunify the fractured realm. “

Fun length of time they’ve given themselves to first build up the Empire civil war events and then slowly march forward to the big Chaos event. Probably how they will release stuff, Empire factions > non-Empire factions > Kislev & possibly Cathay > Chaos.

2. “ We’ve hinted at the unprecedented amount of work that has gone into this new game and its setting. In candlelit secrecy behind the great oaken portcullis doors of the Warhammer Studio, the Old World team has dedicated countless hours to research and playtesting. Our goal was to create a game that captures the best elements of all the editions of Warhammer Fantasy Battle, but at the same time providing new and exciting rules, and fresh challenges to overcome.”

This could signal they’re done rules making and play testing but haven’t actydone manufacturing yet.

AoS’ rules and play testing took from 2010 to 2012

And then manufactured Stormcasts & Bloodbound from 2013 to 2015 release

So the game releasing at 2025 is possible if this is the manufacture year.(plus avoids 40k 10th edition this year and AoS 4th edition next year)

3. The gunpowder kerfuffle is solved. They using regular guns.


And not the kooky hand-cannons of the AoS Dawnbringer Crusades people were saying.


So if you want high fantasy firearms you go to the GW store and if you want historic muskets they will likely be FW’s domain after the Freeguild handgunners are discontinued.

GloatingSwine#8098

Otters007#7127 said:

Who's in charge of Sylvania at this point? Mannfred again? Sigh. Would have been cool to see Vlad and Isabella in this setting. We already got Mannfred in AOS.

Nobody. Vlad, Konrad, and Mannfred are all spending time dead for tax reasons. It's a doomed and haunted no-mans land of minor vampire fiefdoms at this point.

BaronKlatz#7357

Otters007#7127 said:

Who's in charge of Sylvania at this point? Mannfred again? Sigh. Would have been cool to see Vlad and Isabella in this setting. We already got Mannfred in AOS.

I don’t think anyone. Vampire Wars basically killed off the majority of big name vampires that wouldn’t be resurrected until after Karl Franz and during the End Times.

They might skip Sylvania to focus on foreign vampire powers like the Red Duke to give agency to other parts of OW since for the Empire the undead threat was gone and Chaos began.

GloatingSwine#8098

Mazisky#3267 said:

Question:

Is there a chance that stuff from "The Old World" will be ported to the game aswell?

Already has been. Ice Guard were designed for The Old World.

So yeah, any new units that get designed for The Old World are almost certainly going to be fair game.

Passthechips#4366

Mazisky#3267 said:

Question:

Is there a chance that stuff from "The Old World" will be ported to the game aswell?

I could be very wrong here, but isn’t the Cathay army book for the Old World?

GloatingSwine#8098

Passthechips#4366 said:

Mazisky#3267 said:

Question:

Is there a chance that stuff from "The Old World" will be ported to the game aswell?

I could be very wrong here, but isn’t the Cathay army book for the Old World?

Not really. It's a pseudo-8e armybook.

We don't really know what the rules and units of The Old World are going to work like yet other than square bases and you can use WHFB models.

I expect Cathay will have some Old World content though, since they've done all the design work now (and this is the point at which the Monkey King tries to take over).

SerPus#7395

GloatingSwine#8098 said:

Not really. It's a pseudo-8e armybook.

We don't really know what the rules and units of The Old World are going to work like yet other than square bases and you can use WHFB models.

I expect Cathay will have some Old World content though, since they've done all the design work now (and this is the point at which the Monkey King tries to take over).

Artworks that we've seen for Cathay had the Old World logos.

Mogwai_Man#4978

Nyxilis#3646 said:

Mogwai_Man#4978 said:

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

This is the worst paragraph ever written in warhammer history - and now my interest in the 'Old world' has dropped by about 50%.

**** - just give us some vague hint that timelines merge and collapse and what could be might not be what has been or something... Don't spit in our face.

GW said from the beginning it was a prequel setting.

Doesn't mean you have to rub it in our faces like their repeated nonsense lines.

If I choose to sink money into OW it's not going to be because I want to celebrate AoS or anything to do with AoS.

Lol why are you mentioning AoS? GW said from the very beginning what the purpose of TOW is. Nobody should be shocked by this if they were actually reading the articles.

mecanojavi99#6562

Nyxilis#3646 said:

Mogwai_Man#4978 said:

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

This is the worst paragraph ever written in warhammer history - and now my interest in the 'Old world' has dropped by about 50%.

**** - just give us some vague hint that timelines merge and collapse and what could be might not be what has been or something... Don't spit in our face.

GW said from the beginning it was a prequel setting.

Doesn't mean you have to rub it in our faces like their repeated nonsense lines.

If I choose to sink money into OW it's not going to be because I want to celebrate AoS or anything to do with AoS.

It's not rubbing anything in anyone's nose, it's making it clear where this sits in the timeline and how it is related to the old Fantasy and AoS.

The ET being retconned was just wishful thinking of a minority that can't get over it

mecanojavi99#6562

Mazisky#3267 said:

Question:

Is there a chance that stuff from "The Old World" will be ported to the game aswell?

You mean like the entire rosters of Kislev and Cathay?

mecanojavi99#6562

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

This is the worst paragraph ever written in warhammer history - and now my interest in the 'Old world' has dropped by about 50%.

**** - just give us some vague hint that timelines merge and collapse and what could be might not be what has been or something... Don't spit in our face.

Why would you even think that they would retcon the ET?

It happened, get over it already.

mecanojavi99#6562

GloatingSwine#8098 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Mazisky#3267 said:

Question:

Is there a chance that stuff from "The Old World" will be ported to the game aswell?

I could be very wrong here, but isn’t the Cathay army book for the Old World?

Not really. It's a pseudo-8e armybook.

We don't really know what the rules and units of The Old World are going to work like yet other than square bases and you can use WHFB models.

I expect Cathay will have some Old World content though, since they've done all the design work now (and this is the point at which the Monkey King tries to take over).

Cathay was confirmed to be in the OW some time ago, with GW even showing a map of Cathay.

pblllrr#9773

I'm glad GW confirmed this "early" that they're sticking with the garbage timeline. Saves me a lot of money when I buy their new Bretonnia and Cathay models from recasters. Here's hoping it flops hard.

BaronKlatz#7357

I think they just meant the direct connections. The current Total War stuff is from a 8th edition armybook they made to be compatible.

Things might change a bit when they actually do the army for the tabletop. Like in order to keep focused on the Empire civil war and areas surrounding it the “new Cathay” force is mercenaries from the Silk Road that can be made into their own force much later with the big invasion.

Mogwai_Man#4978

pblllrr#9773 said:

I'm glad GW confirmed this "early" that they're sticking with the garbage timeline. Saves me a lot of money when I buy their new Bretonnia and Cathay models from recasters. Here's hoping it flops hard.

They confirmed it from the very beginning. It was always a Horus Heresy for fantasy players.