New Warcry Vampires- blueprint for the Jade-Blooded ?

doclumbago#6250

My first impression was Malekith-Elves finally. Buuut...
gotta say I love the models. They have all the characteristics of Vampire Counts, if they were raised in an Eastern culture.
Especially that Kitsune-Varghulf ??? really lean and dynamic looks

DarthEnderX-#6513

Nothing about them really strikes me as jiangshi-like.

BaronKlatz#7357

Eh, Kitsune would be Japanese and nothing says Jade. You’d actually get closer with the last Tzeentch warband with those Jade Warriors slowing turning to stone, they were a mixed Mayan-China influence.



But I’d say that’s more to the point. AoS plays fast and loose with what aesthetics it throws together to create something cool.

The Gnarlwoods is all living carnivorous meat trees so the warbands only make temporary shelters. And what’s a temporary shelter? Bamboo:



And what goes with bamboo? Swamp doctors and eastern warbands this the factions we’ve been given that make that part of Ghur do a mix.

What’s interesting (for AoS lore hounds anyway) is we’ve heard of the Askurgan before. They were the knights Lauka Vai was part of before she was transformed into a Vengorian drake-centaur and help start the Avengorii dynasty of other vampires being transformed by outside energies flooding the Realms.(and like her fight between courtly honor and monstrous wrath)


Looks like after that her knights broke off and became beast realm monks that feast on Ghurian monster blood to slake their thirst instead of mortal blood.

PoopEnjoyer#8141

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

Eh, Kitsune would be Japanese and nothing says Jade. You’d actually get closer with the last Tzeentch warband with those Jade Warriors slowing turning to stone, they were a mixed Mayan-China influence.



But I’d say that’s more to the point. AoS plays fast and loose with what aesthetics it throws together to create something cool.

The Gnarlwoods is all living carnivorous meat trees so the warbands only make temporary shelters. And what’s a temporary shelter? Bamboo:



And what goes with bamboo? Swamp doctors and eastern warbands this the factions we’ve been given that make that part of Ghur do a mix.

What’s interesting (for AoS lore hounds anyway) is we’ve heard of the Askurgan before. They were the knights Lauka Vai was part of before she was transformed into a Vengorian drake-centaur and help start the Avengorii dynasty of other vampires being transformed by outside energies flooding the Realms.(and like her fight between courtly honor and monstrous wrath)


Looks like after that her knights broke off and became beast realm monks that feast on Ghurian monster blood to slake their thirst instead of mortal blood.

Are you a GW employee? Because you are trying really hard to sell the setting right now.

BaronKlatz#7357

Nah, just setting the record straight why things are like that. Big lore nerd and a small part of the lexicanum team helps.

DarthEnderX-#6513

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

What’s interesting (for AoS lore hounds anyway) is we’ve heard of the Askurgan before. They were the knights Lauka Vai was part of before she was transformed into a Vengorian drake-centaur and help start the Avengorii dynasty of other vampires being transformed by outside energies flooding the Realms.(and like her fight between courtly honor and monstrous wrath)

You sound like Final Fantasy 13 trying to tell me what Fal'Cie are...

doclumbago#6250

Ha, so the Vampire Monks are pre-vengorian Vamps who took a look at that and decided NOT to go full centaur.
That is understandable.



To argue my original point: I think the Jade-Blooded could borrow the looks form the Askurgan because...

We envision the jade-Blooded to fit the evil vizier look. But at some point, I think in 6th edition GW decided
to make the VC look more like battlefield commanders. Before that they had a more Bela Lugosish-look.

so this


became this




If the Jade-Blooded looks follow that logic, we might end up with something quite similar

so this



becomes this



Which suits me fine cause they look so bloody awesome...

AHumpierRogue#5296

doclumbago#6250 said:

Ha, so the Vampire Monks are pre-vengorian Vamps who took a look at that and decided NOT to go full centaur.
That is understandable.



To argue my original point: I think the Jade-Blooded could borrow the looks form the Askurgan because...

We envision the jade-Blooded to fit the evil vizier look. But at some point, I think in 6th edition GW decided
to make the VC look more like battlefield commanders. Before that they had a more Bela Lugosish-look.

so this


became this




If the Jade-Blooded looks follow that logic, we might end up with something quite similar

so this



becomes this



Which suits me fine cause they look so bloody awesome...

They ruined one vampire bloodline like that, why ruin another.

But seriously though, I see nothing very "Jade Vampire" about these AoS schmucks. They don't strike me that way at all.

DarthEnderX-#6513

I'm still hoping the Jade Blooded end up as a VCoast faction instead of VCounts. I want my South China Seas-inspired vampirates.

saweendra#3399

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

I'm still hoping the Jade Blooded end up as a VCoast faction instead of VCounts. I want my South China Seas-inspired vampirates.

Why ?

Right now counts are probably in line with a coc style dlc with amount of remaning units that actually do offer something game play wise to them


So which leaves obviously fan favorite Neferata
Stregoi lord probably ushorn again since popularity

And zaccharias or wssorin as the necrach lord

Assuming they flesh out red duke as a flc than adding a another blood dragon lord

Than there is a foruth spot open in counts.

SerPus#7395

saweendra#3399 said:

Assuming they flesh out red duke as a flc than adding a another blood dragon lord

If there will be a CoC-like DLC focused on Bloodlines then it would have to include Blood Dragons LL in it, just like CoC included Slaanesh-aligned LL despite Sigvald already being in the game. If it's just a big DLC for VC not focused on Bloodlines then there is still a lot of undead characters to include over OC vampires.

MODIDDLY1#9212

saweendra#3399 said:

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

I'm still hoping the Jade Blooded end up as a VCoast faction instead of VCounts. I want my South China Seas-inspired vampirates.

Why ?

Right now counts are probably in line with a coc style dlc with amount of remaning units that actually do offer something game play wise to them


So which leaves obviously fan favorite Neferata
Stregoi lord probably ushorn again since popularity

And zaccharias or wssorin as the necrach lord

Assuming they flesh out red duke as a flc than adding a another blood dragon lord

Than there is a foruth spot open in counts.

I think the Jade bloodline shouldn't be tied to the Vampire Counts. Personally I'd rather see them in the Cathay roster, as they seem to be a part of the government, or the Vampire Coast.

saweendra#3399

SerPus#7395 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

Assuming they flesh out red duke as a flc than adding a another blood dragon lord

If there will be a CoC-like DLC focused on Bloodlines then it would have to include Blood Dragons LL in it, just like CoC included Slaanesh-aligned LL despite Sigvald already being in the game. If it's just a big DLC for VC not focused on Bloodlines then there is still a lot of undead characters to include over OC vampires.

Not really red duke does decent enough job of marketing blood dragons


And the two missing blood lines are to quote still part of the blood lines.

I think it makes sense.

And as for other characters out side of blood lines there time is either with nagash or time has already passed


So yeah i think it makes sense.
Even though you do not like it.

MODIDDLY1#9212 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

I'm still hoping the Jade Blooded end up as a VCoast faction instead of VCounts. I want my South China Seas-inspired vampirates.

Why ?

Right now counts are probably in line with a coc style dlc with amount of remaning units that actually do offer something game play wise to them


So which leaves obviously fan favorite Neferata
Stregoi lord probably ushorn again since popularity

And zaccharias or wssorin as the necrach lord

Assuming they flesh out red duke as a flc than adding a another blood dragon lord

Than there is a foruth spot open in counts.

I think the Jade bloodline shouldn't be tied to the Vampire Counts. Personally I'd rather see them in the Cathay roster, as they seem to be a part of the government, or the Vampire Coast.

I don't know just Don't feel right imo. But to each their own

saweendra#3399

@SerPus#7395 let me dumb it down to you since this might pointlessly drag about.


CoC had slaanesh champion because it was about Mono gods if they were going to add another minor god of chaos champion in there that would have been lot more work than just adding marked units , since there is no other chaos gods mono race. out side of scope of the dlc


if a blood line DLC to come than there is 7 blood lines 5 we knew from the start 2 left in ambiguity with one of the 2 only recreantly confirmed as jade blood line.

so adding one of the blood lines to a blood line dlc makes sense and isn't a huge amount of work. compared to adding a another race

only that is left is your preference what you like so rather than making non arguments just say i like this and we can have more grounded exchange than trying to make non arguments

SerPus#7395

saweendra#3399 said:

Not really red duke does decent enough job of marketing blood dragons

Back in the days when Vampire Counts weren't just about Von Casteins, each of the five bloodlines had unique stuff like army lists(the units were mostly the same, with some exceptions), abilities and characters. So if CA make a DLC with sole focus on fleshing out non-Von Carstein Bloodlines, then it makes no sense to leave one of the four out, considering that they had as much stuff as the others(maybe even more than some other). DLCs are not just about the LLs, there are also units, generic characters, mechanics and some sort of a story.

saweendra#3399 said:

And as for other characters out side of blood lines there time is either with nagash or time has already passed

Nagash himself might be a part of this hypothetical DLC.

DarthEnderX-#6513

saweendra#3399 said:

Why ?

VCounts has it's hand full trying to represent the 5 Bloodlines it already has without trying to add more.

saweendra#3399 said:

Assuming they flesh out red duke as a flc than adding a another blood dragon lord

There's no reason to assume that.

saweendra#3399 said:

And the two missing blood lines are to quote still part of the blood lines.

And there's an entire 2nd vampiric race in dire need of additional content.


Zheng Shih and the Dead Flag Fleet for VCoast DLC!

doclumbago#6250

AHumpierRogue#5296 said:

They ruined one vampire bloodline like that, why ruin another.

But seriously though, I see nothing very "Jade Vampire" about these AoS schmucks. They don't strike me that way at all.

So you preferred the earlier VC models ? I didn't think there was anyone, honestly.
I personally thought Hell YEAH, that's a WARHAMMER Vampire, first time I took a look at the new Vlad.

VC are my favourite faction regarding the aethetics. Goth-armour with a slight organic touch to illustrate
the feral nature underneath. Plus some of the best-looking beasties.


I also think that including the lost bloodlines into the Vampirates would be an elegant move, but only if they
don't give them their own faction.

saweendra#3399

SerPus#7395 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

Not really red duke does decent enough job of marketing blood dragons

Back in the days when Vampire Counts weren't just about Von Casteins, each of the five bloodlines had unique stuff like army lists(the units were mostly the same, with some exceptions), abilities and characters. So if CA make a DLC with sole focus on fleshing out non-Von Carstein Bloodlines, then it makes no sense to leave one of the four out, considering that they had as much stuff as the others(maybe even more than some other). DLCs are not just about the LLs, there are also units, generic characters, mechanics and some sort of a story.

saweendra#3399 said:

And as for other characters out side of blood lines there time is either with nagash or time has already passed

Nagash himself might be a part of this hypothetical DLC.

and there isn't a ton directly missing just from those lists out side of kemelers list that wouldn't fit a actually good coc style dlc ?
and units don't really matter that much when it comes to LL choices to begin with ex. malus coming well before rakarth


the only unit or model that might be missed on such a dlc is again end times nagash mounts and the bird things whoese name escape

and as for nagash him self he is gonna be unique dlc one way or another not a part of coc style pack he him self can and will sell dlc

of course there are other count units from other supplements like wicker men , counts necrofex ..etc which i don't know what will happen since new blood line or not there is way too much of stuff a single count dlc will never capture

Heretical_Cactus#7598

I'm still very much against any CoC style dlc, as they end up being uninteresting for the people who don't like that race.


For the whole of the Undead we could flesh them out with:

A Race Pack

4 Dlc and 2/4 Flc

Over the course of game 3.

Race pack for Nagash/Nameless/Dieter mostly mechanic based.
No Flc or Game 3 race

VCount vs Kislev or Cathay (1st dlc for either). With Neferata
+ Blood Dragon Total War Access or Strigoi lord Flc

Tomb King vs Kislev (3rd Dlc). With Prince Apophas.
Game 3 Race Flc

VCount vs Cathay (3rd Dlc). With the Fleet Dragon
Game 3 Race Flc

VCount vs Tzeentch (3rd Dlc). Zacharias the Everliving vs Aekold Helbrass
2nd VCount Flc.

And done with about 9 Lords.

Belisaurio#7536

They look so sexy!!
That werewolf-thing can be ised for a lot other games too!

SerPus#7395

saweendra#3399 said:

and there isn't a ton directly missing just from those lists out side of kemelers list that wouldn't fit a actually good coc style dlc ?
and units don't really matter that much when it comes to LL choices to begin with ex. malus coming well before rakarth

The point is that making the Bloodlines DLC and leaving one of them out of it make no sense, especially considering that they were treated equally in the source material. And yes, they do need their own units and characters. That's what DLCs are about.

saweendra#3399 said:

and as for nagash him self he is gonna be unique dlc one way or another not a part of coc style pack he him self can and will sell dlc

You don't know that.

saweendra#3399 said:

of course there are other count units from other supplements like wicker men , counts necrofex ..etc which i don't know what will happen since new blood line or not there is way too much of stuff a single count dlc will never capture

What?

DarthEnderX-#6513

doclumbago#6250 said:

So you preferred the earlier VC models ? I didn't think there was anyone, honestly.

The early models aren't great, but I still think I prefer the Legosi-inspired designs for Von Carsteins. The newer, heavily armored designs makes more sense for Blood Dragons to me.

doclumbago#6250 said:

I personally thought Hell YEAH, that's a WARHAMMER Vampire, first time I took a look at the new Vlad.

I thought, "That's a Warhammer Vampire, but it sure doesn't feel like Vlad".

When I picture Vlad, I picture Dracula from Castlevania. Not the weird crypt-keeper face he has now.

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

I'm still very much against any CoC style dlc, as they end up being uninteresting for the people who don't like that race.

Which is a GOOD thing. It beats making a LM fan buy a bunch of BM units they don't want because they're packaged together. If you don't like the race, you can just skip it and not waste your money.

doclumbago#6250

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

I'm still very much against any CoC style dlc, as they end up being uninteresting for the people who don't like that race.


For the whole of the Undead we could flesh them out with:

A Race Pack

4 Dlc and 2/4 Flc

Over the course of game 3.

Race pack for Nagash/Nameless/Dieter mostly mechanic based.
No Flc or Game 3 race

VCount vs Kislev or Cathay (1st dlc for either). With Neferata
+ Blood Dragon Total War Access or Strigoi lord Flc

Tomb King vs Kislev (3rd Dlc). With Prince Apophas.
Game 3 Race Flc

VCount vs Cathay (3rd Dlc). With the Fleet Dragon
Game 3 Race Flc

VCount vs Tzeentch (3rd Dlc). Zacharias the Everliving vs Aekold Helbrass
2nd VCount Flc.

And done with about 9 Lords.

VC definitely need a CoC race pack.

-there are not that many units left to warrant more VS DLCs
-there are four bloodlines without an LL
-each Bloodline could get unique mechanics
-all the base mechanics of the VC need an overhaul.
VC are not underpowered but there are a lot of leftovers that make no sense.

Passthechips#4366

doclumbago#6250 said:

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

I'm still very much against any CoC style dlc, as they end up being uninteresting for the people who don't like that race.


For the whole of the Undead we could flesh them out with:

A Race Pack

4 Dlc and 2/4 Flc

Over the course of game 3.

Race pack for Nagash/Nameless/Dieter mostly mechanic based.
No Flc or Game 3 race

VCount vs Kislev or Cathay (1st dlc for either). With Neferata
+ Blood Dragon Total War Access or Strigoi lord Flc

Tomb King vs Kislev (3rd Dlc). With Prince Apophas.
Game 3 Race Flc

VCount vs Cathay (3rd Dlc). With the Fleet Dragon
Game 3 Race Flc

VCount vs Tzeentch (3rd Dlc). Zacharias the Everliving vs Aekold Helbrass
2nd VCount Flc.

And done with about 9 Lords.

VC definitely need a CoC race pack.

-there are not that many units left to warrant more VS DLCs
-there are four bloodlines without an LL
-each Bloodline could get unique mechanics
-all the base mechanics of the VC need an overhaul.
VC are not underpowered but there are a lot of leftovers that make no sense.

A CoC style DLC would ensure each bloodline wouldn’t get unique mechanics considering how CoC turned out. Also unlike the VCounts, the CoC impacted five different races (WoC + 4 Monogods).

I’d much more prefer they do Neferata with her own unique mechanics, and maybe over time introduce the other bloodline lords through FLC.

It’s also quite possible CA doesn’t represent all the bloodlines with LLs and instead opts to represent the bloodlines just through a central mechanic like they have now.

AHumpierRogue#5296

Heretical_Cactus#7598 said:

I'm still very much against any CoC style dlc, as they end up being uninteresting for the people who don't like that race.


For the whole of the Undead we could flesh them out with:

A Race Pack

4 Dlc and 2/4 Flc

Over the course of game 3.

Race pack for Nagash/Nameless/Dieter mostly mechanic based.
No Flc or Game 3 race

VCount vs Kislev or Cathay (1st dlc for either). With Neferata
+ Blood Dragon Total War Access or Strigoi lord Flc

Tomb King vs Kislev (3rd Dlc). With Prince Apophas.
Game 3 Race Flc

VCount vs Cathay (3rd Dlc). With the Fleet Dragon
Game 3 Race Flc

VCount vs Tzeentch (3rd Dlc). Zacharias the Everliving vs Aekold Helbrass
2nd VCount Flc.

And done with about 9 Lords.

Yeah, this is why people are starting to view a CoC style DLC as the way forward for Vampire Counts. Knock them all out in one DLC rather than splitting them amongst 4 DLC which I'd say most people view as extremely unlikely.

DarthEnderX-#6513

Passthechips#4366 said:

A CoC style DLC would ensure each bloodline wouldn’t get unique mechanics considering how CoC turned out.

It doesn't ensure anything. Just because they did something one way one time, doesn't mean they have to do it that way next time.

saweendra#3399

SerPus#7395 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

and there isn't a ton directly missing just from those lists out side of kemelers list that wouldn't fit a actually good coc style dlc ?
and units don't really matter that much when it comes to LL choices to begin with ex. malus coming well before rakarth

The point is that making the Bloodlines DLC and leaving one of them out of it make no sense, especially considering that they were treated equally in the source material. And yes, they do need their own units and characters. That's what DLCs are about.

saweendra#3399 said:

and as for nagash him self he is gonna be unique dlc one way or another not a part of coc style pack he him self can and will sell dlc

You don't know that.

saweendra#3399 said:

of course there are other count units from other supplements like wicker men , counts necrofex ..etc which i don't know what will happen since new blood line or not there is way too much of stuff a single count dlc will never capture

What?

Ok what are the blood dragon unit fhat isn't a flc level content?


Dismounted blood knighrs thats literally depth guard

Like if your gonna make a non argument than at least give valid reason?


The units a next coc dlc wil bring is most likely are

Absyel terror - new model
Coven throne a modified mortis
Lahamian hand maiden
Strgani or some sort of crypt horror or golem unit remodels at best
Spit host new models hopefully
Fleshh golems.

None of these are like mono god units where mark plus x

Its loosely connected to blood line.


Just state a proper argument like your preferrence instead of nonsense.


And for the what question you do realize there are lot of random undead units in wh lore form supplements, rpg...etc.

Which wouldn't fit a single dlc

#178396

I for one welcome more CoC style DLC's for a handful of races that could use it. Notably Vampire Counts and possibly Empire (Elector Counts). Can't see it being used for many others. Possibly beastmen if they want to rehash CoC almost exactly, just to give us marked-gor units. But that would be a stretch. Basically CoC style DLC shouldn't be used for every faction.

Passthechips#4366

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

A CoC style DLC would ensure each bloodline wouldn’t get unique mechanics considering how CoC turned out.

It doesn't ensure anything. Just because they did something one way one time, doesn't mean they have to do it that way next time.

Considering it’s rare that they deliver on two good unique mechanics for regular Lord Packs, and that CoC didn’t, and that Vampire Counts also are in a similar boat needing a race rework, the chances aren’t great.

DarthEnderX-#6513

Passthechips#4366 said:

Considering it’s rare that they deliver on two good unique mechanics for regular Lord Packs, and that CoC didn’t, and that Vampire Counts also are in a similar boat needing a race rework, the chances aren’t great.

Sure, but a VCounts CoC also isn't likely to add anywhere near the 50 units that CoC added. Which means they can focus on making the factions unique instead of spending all that time and effort making all those un-*snort*HAHAhahahaaa! Sorry, I couldn't say that with a straight face.

Passthechips#4366

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Considering it’s rare that they deliver on two good unique mechanics for regular Lord Packs, and that CoC didn’t, and that Vampire Counts also are in a similar boat needing a race rework, the chances aren’t great.

Sure, but a VCounts CoC also isn't likely to add anywhere near the 50 units that CoC added. Which means they can focus on making the factions unique instead of spending all that time and effort making all those un-*snort*HAHAhahahaaa! Sorry, I couldn't say that with a straight face.

Not sure what you were trying to say, but dev time for mechanics went to the rework mechanics. It’s not like the people who are coding and designing mechanics are the same as the artists who make models/assets.

I personally very much doubt a popular character like Neferata will be sharing the limelight with other VC lords. That’s just my take at least.