CA and GW are probably synchronizing themselves for new DLCs

Markal159#7038

Hello everyone,

Due to the succes of total war warhammer, we know Games Workshop is currently working on Warhammer the Old World. They are currently working on bringing to life some factions that have never had, or had very few miniatures in Warhammer Fantasy.
Games Workshop is currently surfing on the player's nostalgy, and probably hope to attract new players through Total War.

What I think is: Creative Assembly and Games Workshop are probavly synchronizing themselves on the reveal of new miniatures, and new Warhammer 3 DLC. In this way, they would benefit each other from the marketing of the other company. Maybe some packs including the DLC plus a few miniatures could be proposed for sale.

We also know CA isn"t willing to abandon Warhammer 3 for the moment, they already said it multiple times, amd it would be absurd to let this game down after so many efforts on it to correct and to release immortal empires.
Just 1 or 2 DLC and thats it? I don't believe in it at all.
The current stats on Steam are really good considering the lack of new content Warhammer 3 had in the last months. This game has a huge potential of new content and players to buy it. CA knows this.

That's why I think CA can't talk about what they are currently working on, because they are tied to Games Workshop on the communication, and the creation of new miniatures may take a little bit more time than expected. That would explain why the roadmap have been delayed so many times.
They probably have to wait Games Workshop is ready to communicate on it before annoucing new firm roadmap and new DLC.

What are your thoughts?

Commissar_G#7535

The theory is rubbish. Stop justifying poor resource allocation and budgeting on some grand conspiracy. CA is just laughably inept.

Markal159#7038

Maybe yes, maybe not.
We will know it soon after all.

davedave1124#4773

I think it’s more likely they are trying to improve the overall frame of IE, they have said they constantly struggle on its size and complexity so, it makes sense to go back to basics.. the Dyche effect!

#167327

Delusion. TOW doesn't even have a release date, much less models, and Chorfs (the next DLC) will be released for AoS first, and even then not this year. There is nothing to coordinate on.

Also just FYI, GW works on a timeline of 3-5 years from concept art to minis in the store for you to buy, so even the idea that CA has time to wait for them to make and release new models is laughable on it's face.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

X. Doubt.

Neodeinos#5871

I think people should stop using GW as a scapegoat without any evidences.

mecanojavi99#6562

Are you seriously suggesting that we won't get Chorfs until OW arrives? Yeah, good luck convincing anyone of that.

SaintCorn#3148

I think the dwarves say it best.
Do you take me for a wazzock?

Markal159#7038

mecanojavi99#6562 said:

Are you seriously suggesting that we won't get Chorfs until OW arrives? Yeah, good luck convincing anyone of that.

I'm not saying all DLCs may be in collaboration with GW.
They clearly hinted the chorfs multiple times, so this one isn't part of my theory.
What I'm thinking is other projects "they are not allowed to talk".

#167327

Markal159#7038 said:

mecanojavi99#6562 said:

Are you seriously suggesting that we won't get Chorfs until OW arrives? Yeah, good luck convincing anyone of that.

What I'm thinking is other projects "they are not allowed to talk".

Name one. Seriously, give me one actual thing that you think both CA and GW are coordinating on right now that both of them are going to announce/release this year and in a close enough window to sync up announcements.

davedave1124#4773

A big LM update in the Summer would be good.. unlikely but, welcome.

LegendaryArticuno#9965

I literally will not buy any new DLC unless they further expand Cathay or Kislev.

Also any Kislev DLC should donate some proceeds to Ukraine.

mecanojavi99#6562

Markal159#7038 said:

mecanojavi99#6562 said:

Are you seriously suggesting that we won't get Chorfs until OW arrives? Yeah, good luck convincing anyone of that.

I'm not saying all DLCs may be in collaboration with GW.
They clearly hinted the chorfs multiple times, so this one isn't part of my theory.
What I'm thinking is other projects "they are not allowed to talk".

When has the Community team ever been allowed to talk about new content before a marketing cycle starts?

GBone#4408

CA's communication was terrible long before the Old World was even an idea.

mecanojavi99#6562

GBone#4408 said:

CA's communication was terrible long before the Old World was even an idea.

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Surge_2#1464

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 said:

X. Doubt.

saweendra#3399

This is not it. Its mixture of a poor launch and incompetent higher ups at CA .

Goatforce#6625

Problem with this is we basically know what is coming from GW in Q2: Khorne book and Slaanesh book without a doubt, Probably Kharadron Overlords, and probably Vamps and Ossiarch for Death. All of these will likely come with a single character model. Late Spring/early Summer is confirmed to be Lizardmen and given 40K getting a new edition I doubt there will be much more fantasy after this until late in the year. None of these tie in with TW:WH, especially since the next major DLC is almost certainly Chaos Dwarfs.

The Old World still needs to get even official model reveals, so it is not going to have any significant news to tie into Total War, or at least the chance is slim-to-none. The most likely time for an announcement is also Adepticon in late March, and since we know we are getting a roadmap this month, without delays there is no tie in here either.

Passthechips#4366

Yeah this isn’t it. CA has never had great communication, and recent events are more of the same.

saweendra#3399

Passthechips#4366 said:

Yeah this isn’t it. CA has never had great communication, and recent events are more of the same.

More of the same this is just gone down the damn drain at this point


Like seriously they couldn't plan a single year of what's to come in 4 to 5 months or if its done release it

And the whole situation is hurting their other games reputations.

Like hyneas is getting extra flack due to this and the CMs are acting like monkey's with a broken cassette



Hurting both games bottom line one way or another so this incompetence.

And only way to fix it by letting go of the senior management who made these errors

#568367

Kinda reeks of cope. Don't rationalize incompetence for something you can pass the blame on a separate entity on.


CA hit lightning in a bottle with TWW, but don't forget they've had a history of incompetence before, Rome 2, ",truth behind the myth", failing to support 3K, Thrones of Brittania. Hell they didn't even capitalize when Troy hit a resurgence and their immediate DLC afterwards added jack all.

kaiki#4128

I do think there is something blocking CA to share the info, and I agree with this speculation that this may highly possibly related to GW.

hillbillymachinegun2#1031

I think aligning the timing with GW is a more relevant excuse for truly new things that will be showing up in Old World.

If there's a Marienburg or Middenland DLC for example, that will likely be timed to align with GW's announcement/release of Marienburg and Middenland minis, as we now know both will be a major part of Old World. Same likely goes for Tilea, Estalia, etc.

I don't think that is the case with Chaos Dwarfs. At this point, it's pretty clear there are serious issues going on internally at CA.

Without a doubt, work on the Chaos Dwarfs began shortly before the planned release of WH3 (initially slated for late 2021, you may remember). There's no way this kind of a delay can be attributed to anything other than CA. It could be a major coding problem (another Norsca debacle), a significant rework of Chaos Dwarfs (possibly in response to severe criticism of the RoC campaign at launch), halted development progress due to crippling rates of employee turnover, or it could be that they have been completely (or nearly) finished for quite some time and their release is only being held up by administrative decisions related to marketing cycles, spreading out the DLC releases, choosing to clean up the base game first, or any combination of the above. Whatever the case, chances are, we'll never get the truth from them on why things got held up.

talonn#7575

Meh.. my money is on the coding issue that's blocking the expansion

Djau#5149

talonn#7575 said:

Meh.. my money is on the coding issue that's blocking the expansion

What coding issue?

RomeoReject#1666

Could be that (As it was with the release of the game itself). Could be bad planning (Has definitely happened before). Could be that it's harder to align everything than they thought (Which has also happened before).

talonn#7575

Djau#5149 said:

talonn#7575 said:

Meh.. my money is on the coding issue that's blocking the expansion

What coding issue?

Performance, critical bugs, etc etc. Could be anything

LegendaryArticuno#9965

Djau#5149 said:

talonn#7575 said:

Meh.. my money is on the coding issue that's blocking the expansion

What coding issue?

The WH3 engine is a downgrade from the 3K engine.

iceshadow89#9851

I don't know why people understand this as "until GW don't release something new we will not get chorf or whatever"...really I don't understand.

Kislev is all new made by GW, we saw the ice guard long before the 1st trailer of TWW 3, in fact back in that time I didn't want Kislev in TW before GW release the Old World because I didn't want the old models. But in the end we had the very nice surprise that Kislev was going to be the new one before even have the miniatures. Not only that, GW made a Army Book for Cathay and we got it as well. So, that is what is going to happen with absolutely everything new with the exception that the units that we are missing from older factions.

Chaos Dwarf? GW has to made it 1st, but ot doesn't mean that we have to wait till the release, we will have it like Kislev and Cathay before the Old World release. But the same with Ind and Khuresh. Doesn't matter that the lands are in the map GW have to made it 1st. Will we have them before the old world? Who knows...but all new factions, Dogs of War include if they come, need to be done 1st by GW, doesn't matter if we have them before or after the release of the Old World.

We are not going to have the old Chaos Dwarf models, I'm totally sure about that.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

kaiki_utokyo#9006 said:

I do think there is something blocking CA to share the info, and I agree with this speculation that this may highly possibly related to GW.

Presumably the same thing that's blocked them for the entirety of TWW: Bad communication policy.