Which game 1 units would you like to see updated in their visual fidelity, audio, or animations?

linkfire12#3538

I was grateful to see CA rework a lot of the original intros for game 1 lords, and to overhaul the ambient soundscape for the settlements of the factions; I also love that they have begun the process of updating the VFX for spells.

I greatly appreciate attention to details that really demonstrate a sense of artistry. Not hyper-realistic visuals, but small touches, whether it be in voice acting, physics interactions, layered sound, world details, or animations that really demonstrate that artists handcrafted it.
The sheer detail in a game of this scale, is beyond what I ever would have anticipated in an RTS game, especially the maps themselves.

As I've posted before, due to the sheer standard of quality set, the age of the first games' units and assets are showing in comparison, and could greatly benefit from some reworking.

CA mentioned in a blog post that they would be updating models, vfx, and audio overtime to bring it to parity, so I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on what they would consider their preferred priority. Which aspects of the original games' content and units would you most like to see improved and brought up to the standard set by the second and third games?

This could be anything, from the weapon or cavalry models, voice acting, sound effects of guns and artillery, combat animations, VFX, or even the ragdolls.

I personally feel the state troops are in a particularly rough state in comparison to many other units in the game, but pretty much everything from the first game is showing its age.

Thanks!

Cyresdog#8125

I would want cloth simulation for every cape in the game.
Lords, heroes and units.

AxiosXiphos#9040

Prophetess and Damsal for Brettonia. CA really didn't know how to make women back in the day. I'm not asking (like some here) for them to be attractive; just not look like they were made of clay.

Maedrethnir#1968

Units only? No LLs, Ls and Hs?

To be honest, every other Game1 model needs textures upgrade. Dwarfs, if I remember correctly, suffer from a lot of clipping. Wildwood Rangers should have proper animations. Hm.

SerPus#7395

I don't know if that counts as units, but I want a visual update for Vampires and Vlad specifically.

linkfire12#3538

Maedrethnir#1968 said:

Units only? No LLs, Ls and Hs?

To be honest, every other Game1 model needs textures upgrade. Dwarfs, if I remember correctly, suffer from a lot of clipping. Wildwood Rangers should have proper animations. Hm.

Sorry if it wasn't clear, when I said units I'm referring to the entirety including lords and heroes. I basically just mean any assets from the original game in general.

Oldblackeyes#2875

The Bloodline lord for VC generally still look pretty bad IMHO and could do with an overhaul.

Ofolar#2436

Empire Elector Count State Troops units

Guillermidas#6283

I agree with some comments here.

Fay enchantress could use better textures. Damsels need a new model though. Same with vampire bloodlines.

All the empire units (on foot in particular) need to be seriously attention as well. You just have to compare them to Kislev.

Not so popular, but I’d love to see Norsca having a bit more personality.

Gyrvendal#9511

For animations, I'd say:

• Volkmar needs some kind of combat animation with his chariot not just his horses somehow biting the enemy.
  
• Other chariots and mounted units could use animations so it's not only the mount attacking, e.g. dragon, griffon-mounted characters and the like could swing their weapons, maybe with a magic effect. I think demygryphs also dont attack with weapons, but I could be wrong.
  
• Vlad and other foot vampires could really use some animation to make them look more graceful/agile. Some kind of fast movement animation like Katarin's one where she surfs on ice would be very welcome. Other foot characters could also use some animations.
  
• Casters could use some animation with a colorful magic effect when attacking like game 3 lords.
  
• Reloading animations for all ranged units, quivers for archers and crossbowmen.
  
• Less jumping/acrobatics animations for line units like empire swordsmen and the like, animations that don't disrupt their formation.
  
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MalalTheRenegade#5644

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

Prophetess and Damsal for Brettonia. CA really didn't know how to make women back in the day. I'm not asking (like some here) for them to be attractive; just not look like they were made of clay.

Exactly this.

And special mention to the Coatl which, even if it is a game 2 model, is in dire need for better animations.

Itssomething#2248

As others have already said, there are a lot of units that need some touch up.
But if I have to decide for one I would like some new animations for empire Greatswords simply because they are my favorite unit in the game.

TancredIIQuenelles#3970

Grail knights have their distinct grail heraldry on shields ans horse bsrding. No they look like nights of the rail and it's not cool.

Maedrethnir#1968

linkfire12#3538 said:

Maedrethnir#1968 said:

Units only? No LLs, Ls and Hs?

To be honest, every other Game1 model needs textures upgrade. Dwarfs, if I remember correctly, suffer from a lot of clipping. Wildwood Rangers should have proper animations. Hm.

Sorry if it wasn't clear, when I said units I'm referring to the entirety including lords and heroes. I basically just mean any assets from the original game in general.

Well, then in order of needs and wants:

1. Alberic the Generic - he needs a unique model, unique voicelines and, ideally, animations for his trident.
2. Damsel - complete remodel to match her miniature*, and Prophetess textures update.
3. Vlad - face change to something less zombiefied, big two-handed sword wielded in one hand, and animations for it.
4. Throgg - make him sound sophisticated, and, ideally, remodel his belly to match the miniature. He's a muscular fellow, not a fat troll.
5. Glade Captain - give her unique armour.

There are probably more but those are the ones I can think of right now.


*The miniature in question:

Guillermidas#6283

Guillermidas#6283 said:

I agree with some comments here.

Fay enchantress could use better textures. Damsels need a new model though. Same with vampire bloodlines.

All the empire units (on foot in particular) need to be seriously attention as well. You just have to compare them to Kislev.

Not so popular, but I’d love to see Norsca having a bit more personality.

I would want to add even more (maaaany more) variety on bretonian knights. Not faction dependent by colors, but having each unit literally a rainbow. That was always the uniqueness of Bretonian knights, most of them are unique, with their own heraldic.

MODIDDLY1#9212

Just looking at units

My biggest grievance is the Norsca marauders. Being exact copies of the WoC ones is already a bit disappointing though could be brushed off if it was just a single unit, but almost half the roster uses the same model so should be made to look a bit more unique, similar to how the marked marauders got kitbashed to look unique.

Minotaurs for BM are noticeably less quality than the newer Khorne minotaurs, which makes sense but if BM get some work, they could be glowed up a little

Wildwood Rangers holding their axes like longswords is weird.

Damsels...

DarthEnderX-#6513

Do recolors of the WH1 Chaos Warriors and Marauders count? Cause I want to see all of the monogod versions of those get unique reskins.

damon40000#7640

reload animations for gunpowder units and deathblow for giant slayers

Captain_Rex#1635

All the State Troops need a visual overhaul and so does the Steam Tank.

Vlad need some bespoke animations on par with Archaon.

Kn_Gars#2718

A lot of WH1 models were degraded in quality when CA transfered them from WH2 to WH3, that needs to be fixed.

Empire infantry and artillery crews could really use a proper remodelling. CA has used the same models for no less than 6 units with pretty much none of the visual variety found on the tabletop models. Next would be the clone siblings that are the Empire General and Captain, both reuse a lot of the same assets including the face, again the great variety found on the original tabletop models are missing. The lack of variety and missing tabletop details are a major reason why what used to be one of the most colourful armies in tabletop Warhammer is strikingly bland in Total War Warhammer.

Ben1990#8909

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

Prophetess and Damsal for Brettonia. CA really didn't know how to make women back in the day. I'm not asking (like some here) for them to be attractive; just not look like they were made of clay.

This. They should look like the modded ones. And the modded ones look gorgeous and unique.

Cosmic_Lich#1188

Guillermidas#6283 said:

Guillermidas#6283 said:

I agree with some comments here.

Fay enchantress could use better textures. Damsels need a new model though. Same with vampire bloodlines.

All the empire units (on foot in particular) need to be seriously attention as well. You just have to compare them to Kislev.

Not so popular, but I’d love to see Norsca having a bit more personality.

I would want to add even more (maaaany more) variety on bretonian knights. Not faction dependent by colors, but having each unit literally a rainbow. That was always the uniqueness of Bretonian knights, most of them are unique, with their own heraldic.

How about, and hear me out, an army painter. This is so Bretonnian Knights could have the option where you paint and customize a whole bunch of them into a random pool of what your troops look like.

Guillermidas#6283

Cosmic_Lich#1188 said:

Guillermidas#6283 said:

Guillermidas#6283 said:

I agree with some comments here.

Fay enchantress could use better textures. Damsels need a new model though. Same with vampire bloodlines.

All the empire units (on foot in particular) need to be seriously attention as well. You just have to compare them to Kislev.

Not so popular, but I’d love to see Norsca having a bit more personality.

I would want to add even more (maaaany more) variety on bretonian knights. Not faction dependent by colors, but having each unit literally a rainbow. That was always the uniqueness of Bretonian knights, most of them are unique, with their own heraldic.

How about, and hear me out, an army painter. This is so Bretonnian Knights could have the option where you paint and customize a whole bunch of them into a random pool of what your troops look like.

I loved Dawn of War army painter. Spent so much time there back in the day.
But I dont think it would be a great addition to Total War. If we ever get customization no a next level, it should be on heroes/lords and their equipment.

MODIDDLY1#9212

I don't know if color is the problem with the game 1 units as much as some of the textures.

JungleElf#8229

Dwarf Warriors (and variations) are still missing their neck; During some animations you can see through them.

Also, Longbeard shoulders are 'disjointed'; There's a bit of nothing between the shoulder and the body when they're walking, for example.

linkfire12#3538

Thank you so much for the responses guys! Lots of extremely good suggestions!

Obviously pretty much everything from the first game could use some love, but it might help CA's priorities for them to know where the communities interest lies.

Something else probably worth mentioning is how many foot lords and heroes across both the first and second games share the same basic combat animations. In my opinion they don't look great, especially when fighting crowds (most of the time), and they don't have very good visual feedback to taking hits, which I feel is also an important part of making combat look and feel fluid.

And of course it is bland diversity wise to see the same leaping sword swing animation for so many factions. CA doesn't seem to have figured out how to make hero vs crowd fights look natural, despite noticeable improvements to, say, monster vs monster battles.

drogarito#2548

All of them.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594

I think a few LL's could use some new animations. No LL should be using generic Empire Captain animations.

For models, these need updating


Throgg for Audio of course.

PhoenixKingMalekith#5710

#114458 said:

Empire Elector Count State Troops units

That mechanic could get a rework too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H43H4-hwiRM
This rework is really immersive and lorefriendly. It gives lots of favlour to the Empire. I wish CA did something alike.

#326352

I am glad for every rework CA does on warhammer 1/2/3 factions. There is always something you can make better and i love that CA is trying to make them better!

griffithx#1314

Since Chaos Dwarfs are coming in my mind that would be a good time to touch up old dwarfs assets a little bit.