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Nagash, Thanquol........ Chaos Dwarves and Boris at a push.
I don't think there's much 'iconic' left to be honest, that means it must have been a part of the folklore for generations to become an icon. Even the likes of Neferata that will get claimed a lot are hardly icons to the era, they're characters that are interesting prospects because of novels or newer versions of the games.
But that's not a complaint; that's acknowledgement on how much CA have already accomplished. I hope they can bring the above characters as soon as possible (to stop the niggling [but very unfair to CA] 'incomplete' feeling) but it doesn't mean I wouldn't look forward to whatever else they can come up with beyond that.
I'm sorry, are you saying Boris Todbringer is more Iconic than the first vampire? I mean yeah Toddy is probably fairly iconic (though I am not sure how much of his popularity is due to the whole "TODDY!" thing from Yoggcast as I recall), but Neffy is a massively requested character and a longstanding part of the settings lore. Sure she is not as big a name as Thanquol, but she is a big named character.
I mean, the only thing I know about Yogscast was the weird promo they did which was incredibly inappropriately timed when they weren't updating the character IMO. Though I hope they drag that idea back when it is time to release him.
But for WH he's a character who's been there for multiple versions and we know who he is and what he looks like. Neferata was never a popular choice in TT and even a load of the threads here are "what should she look like". Lore-wise yes, but Warhammer-wise no to me.
Each to their own, everyone has their own icons. This much is evident from suggestions like Tamurkhan who only existed for a single version. It doesn't make that opinion wrong, just it's not one I would agree with.
Maybe we're just down to Thanquol and Nagash then?
Iconic means literally anything per the forum definition. I've had people tell me stuff without models is "iconic".
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I've been on this forum long enough to fully understand iconic. It's only ever used to refer to random wood elf characters that require a stupidly deep dive to try and find and justify. To me this means it can only be Cóeliac of The Great Pine.
I'm hyped for future content too. Especially Cathay. Cathay has the most potential of any race and they've done great with it so far. It'll be.... ICONIC!
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An icon, something being worthy of veneration. An icon can be whatever you want to be as long as you find it worthy, if someone tells you otherwise.. shush them.
I've been on this forum long enough to fully understand iconic. It's only ever used to refer to random wood elf characters that require a stupidly deep dive to try and find and justify. To me this means it can only be Cóeliac of The Great Pine.
This one gets it.
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Iconic means literally anything per the forum definition. I've had people tell me stuff without models is "iconic".
I have a hard time taking the people saying Tamurkhan seriously. Tamurkhan is undeniably rad, but he's a character from a supplement that has no other appearances in WH. Feels like Nurgle fanboys exaggerating.
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Iconic means literally anything per the forum definition. I've had people tell me stuff without models is "iconic".
I have a hard time taking the people saying Tamurkhan seriously. Tamurkhan is undeniably rad, but he's a character from a supplement that has no other appearances in WH. Feels like Nurgle fanboys exaggerating.
You sort of need to define the term first before saying who is and who isn't. Even if it's just loosely. Even if we're being reasonable there's still a broad scope for the word, from just a tiny number of things like primary characters, primary rivalries, primary themes. You could expand that to the most important things from each race. Or you could look at it more simply and just "what someone who knows anything about WHFB would know".
Personally I think Tamurkhan is important in the sense that he's the last gasp, basically, of Warhammer Fantasy. The actual character and book aren't that important overall. I do think where we see a lot of "it's iconic!" is with Chaos. Chaos is great, but it had a lot of characters, a lot of good characters but also a lot of failed characters and just bad characters. Take Skarr. I love Skarr, but he's just a bad character. Doesn't fit with Khorne, has an awful model, is an awful character. He's still one of my personal favourites, but he's just bad.
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Iconic means literally anything per the forum definition. I've had people tell me stuff without models is "iconic".
I have a hard time taking the people saying Tamurkhan seriously. Tamurkhan is undeniably rad, but he's a character from a supplement that has no other appearances in WH. Feels like Nurgle fanboys exaggerating.
I know it sounds crazy, but the End Times happened 8 years ago. Almost an entire decade. Tamurkhan is not Nagash, of course, but after all this time I wouldn't talk against Nurgle fans asking for Tamurkhan, and saying he is iconic for them. For me, the only sad part comes from the fact we don't have the other 3 brothers.
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Thanquol, Neferata, Tamurkhan, Nagash… the classic fan favourites I guess.
Tamurkhan isn't a classic. He's from a supplement at the very end of WH:FB.
To call him a classic you'd have to give that same props to literally every other piece of content, at which point it has no meaning. To even put him in the same discussion as Thanquol or Nagash is laughable.
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Thanquol, Neferata, Tamurkhan, Nagash… the classic fan favourites I guess.
Tamurkhan isn't a classic. He's from a supplement at the very end of WH:FB.
To call him a classic you'd have to give that same props to literally every other piece of content, at which point it has no meaning. To even put him in the same discussion as Thanquol or Nagash is laughable.
Every aspect of WH:FB is classic at this point. Tamurkhan ranks up there as one of the most requested characters whenever one of these threads pops up. He’s up there with Thanquol or Nagash because he’s popular.
Thanquol, Neferata, Tamurkhan, Nagash… the classic fan favourites I guess.
Tamurkhan isn't a classic. He's from a supplement at the very end of WH:FB.
To call him a classic you'd have to give that same props to literally every other piece of content, at which point it has no meaning. To even put him in the same discussion as Thanquol or Nagash is laughable.
Every aspect of WH:FB is classic at this point. Tamurkhan ranks up there as one of the most requested characters whenever one of these threads pops up. He’s up there with Thanquol or Nagash because he’s popular.
Iconic to the hardcore fanbase of TWW not the same as iconic for WHFB.
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"Meh content" too many Mofos always forget the state of warhammer 2 at launch compared to the masterpiece it was at the end.
Same with rome 2, same with troy. These games all got better and better supported long after other devs might have dropped them.
Which is largely how I feel. I look at Cathay and Kislev compared to TWW2s base rosters, and there's some real potential for both of them to match, or exceed any TWW2 race. I'm a Cathay-stan, but I genuinely think if it gets Skaven level support in TWW3 then it is the best race in the series. Bar none. Period.
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Thanquol, Neferata, Tamurkhan, Nagash… the classic fan favourites I guess.
Tamurkhan isn't a classic. He's from a supplement at the very end of WH:FB.
To call him a classic you'd have to give that same props to literally every other piece of content, at which point it has no meaning. To even put him in the same discussion as Thanquol or Nagash is laughable.
Still a fan favourite and one of the most requested characters out there.
Tamurkhan ranks up there as one of the most requested characters whenever one of these threads pops up.
That's not the same thing as being iconic.
What does then?
If we use the definition of ‘a representation of WH Fantasy’ then it’s Karl Franz as he’s the main face.
If we use the definition ‘worthy of veneration’ then it’s whoever anyone says it is.
Tarmukhan is a representation of the pinnacle of 8th edition and what WHFB could’ve been if they hadn’t have destroyed the world.
Iconic is whatever you think is iconic, not what a few WH ‘experts’ think. The fact that you’re all disagreeing about details makes that pretty obvious.
I found more important then "regular" content is bugfixing and improve existing gameplay. Like sea line for ai, optional implement ROC, general better ai, improve gameplay from existing races like bretonia, make more unique gameplay for all LL there doesent have one or make sieges great again like rome1/medieval2.
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But for WH he's a character who's been there for multiple versions and we know who he is and what he looks like. Neferata was never a popular choice in TT and even a load of the threads here are "what should she look like". Lore-wise yes, but Warhammer-wise no to me.
Each to their own, everyone has their own icons. This much is evident from suggestions like Tamurkhan who only existed for a single version. It doesn't make that opinion wrong, just it's not one I would agree with.
Maybe we're just down to Thanquol and Nagash then?
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0 · 3Disagree AgreePersonally I think Tamurkhan is important in the sense that he's the last gasp, basically, of Warhammer Fantasy. The actual character and book aren't that important overall. I do think where we see a lot of "it's iconic!" is with Chaos. Chaos is great, but it had a lot of characters, a lot of good characters but also a lot of failed characters and just bad characters. Take Skarr. I love Skarr, but he's just a bad character. Doesn't fit with Khorne, has an awful model, is an awful character. He's still one of my personal favourites, but he's just bad.
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1 · 1Disagree 1AgreeTo call him a classic you'd have to give that same props to literally every other piece of content, at which point it has no meaning. To even put him in the same discussion as Thanquol or Nagash is laughable.
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6 · 2Disagree 6AgreeSame with rome 2, same with troy. These games all got better and better supported long after other devs might have dropped them.
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1 · 1Disagree 1AgreeIf we use the definition of ‘a representation of WH Fantasy’ then it’s Karl Franz as he’s the main face.
If we use the definition ‘worthy of veneration’ then it’s whoever anyone says it is.
Tarmukhan is a representation of the pinnacle of 8th edition and what WHFB could’ve been if they hadn’t have destroyed the world.
Iconic is whatever you think is iconic, not what a few WH ‘experts’ think. The fact that you’re all disagreeing about details makes that pretty obvious.
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