Powercreep is already in full swing, as usual. Who even cares about balanced game, right?

Processing#6286

Stolen from reddit.



So you get double the speed and lore of Hashut and Fire and lose unbreakable on a dwarf lord that is already basically unbreakable.

Astragoth should have much lower melee attack and melee defense and probably WS too.

Passthechips#4366

Wait till you see Taurox or Skarbrand.

Spellbound1875#4610

Dwarf Legendary lords are famously bad (other than Ironbrow). This isn't powercreep it's something dwarf players have been noting for years. Buff dwarf legendary lords.

saweendra#3399

Spellbound1875#4610 said:

Dwarf Legendary lords are famously bad (other than Ironbrow). This isn't powercreep it's something dwarf players have been noting for years. Buff dwarf legendary lords.

**** thorek.

But yeah how many moons of **** did take to get grombi flash bomb back.


and it's still not perfect since engineer has the same flash bomb .


Why on Valaya name would any one take grombi

saweendra#3399

As for this one who knows could be op could be uselss

We will have to see

Passthechips#4366

saweendra#3399 said:

As for this one who knows could be op could be uselss

We will have to see

It should be noted the context of an LL’s available roster matters a lot. Unlike Grombrindal who has access to high leadership sturdy dwarf units early on, Astragoth mostly has access to chaff units, with anything quality being blocked behind caps.

A great example of this would be Ku’gath. Literally the most overpowered lord in the game as a siege engine with a mortis engine, 15k HP, nurgling summons, and one of the best lores of magic in the game. He will 1v1 literally every lord in the game. Thing is, Nurgle is far from overpowered. Context matters.

Grombrindal also could stand to use a few buffs, he’s been underwhelming for quite some time.

saweendra#3399

Passthechips#4366 said:

saweendra#3399 said:

As for this one who knows could be op could be uselss

We will have to see

It should be noted the context of an LL’s available roster matters a lot. Unlike Grombrindal who has access to high leadership sturdy dwarf units early on, Astragoth mostly has access to chaff units, with anything quality being blocked behind caps.

A great example of this would be Ku’gath. Literally the most overpowered lord in the game as a siege engine with a mortis engine, 15k HP, nurgling summons, and one of the best lores of magic in the game. He will 1v1 literally every lord in the game. Thing is, Nurgle is far from overpowered. Context matters.

Grombrindal also could stand to use a few buffs, he’s been underwhelming for quite some time.

I was complaning about MP. Mostly there is some skill tree use for grombi.

As for Ku'gath well quite frankly he needs to loose his mortis engine ability on MP its perfectly fine in sp since he gets through skill tree.


But on MP its too much. Just like how areial being unbreakable on Mp was too much when its actually a skill tree ability she gets very early on.

But those are Mp comments as sp viability depends on skill tree

PappyTron#8042

Spellbound1875#4610 said:

Dwarf Legendary lords are famously bad (other than Ironbrow). This isn't powercreep it's something dwarf players have been noting for years. Buff dwarf legendary lords.

The items that Thorgrim gets, some of the most powerful in the world and forged by gods and the greatest smiths, are so underpowered for what they are it turns my stomach.

+4 Bonus Vs Large and +12 AP for the most powerful axe in the world? Get the Book.

DarthEnderX-#6513

Good news for DoW fans then!

Kannabyss420#5579

Pretty sure the way Warhammer has always worked is that every faction has their OP stuff, and you just mash armies at each other.

I won't use the example of 40k, which powercreep was even worse the FB, but given the last edition of Fb before ET's, my last 3 purchases were buying 2 terrorgheists and 1 Mortis Engine, because if I was fielding an army and didn't have at least ONE of those, I got curbstomped.

In regards with TWW, yes the game 1 and 2 factions are indeed going to fall behind, but it's been stated multiple times that all factions will, eventually, be brought up to the parity of the game 3 factions, and even some of the game 3 factions need a little tweaking.

I just played a Grombindal campign recently, and in one battle alone he killled:
-The melee Dreadlord
- A Kharabdyss
- A Medusae
- Then proceeded to tank 2 units of Cold One Dreadknights, whilst being shot by darkshards.

Grombindal is pretty bloody powerful still, imo.

overtaker40#8926

Balance is relative in single player. Some factions are harder to play some factions are easier to play. As it is in battle to.

Nyumus#6699

Compare him to Thorgrim for a bigger difference. Seriously, Thorgrim needs some serious buffs, he is Very weak.

ASyrian#2378

Its balanced by skills and starting army

Nitros14#7973

Not all lords are equal nor should they be.

Besides Dwarf Lords get access to the very broken Master Rune of Spite among others.

Chaos Dwarf Lords do not get runes.

DarthEnderX-#6513

Nitros14#7973 said:

Not all lords are equal nor should they be.

Are you suggesting Skarsnik shouldn't be able to take Skarbrand in a fight? How dare you!

Sillybilly#1412

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

Nitros14#7973 said:

Not all lords are equal nor should they be.

Are you suggesting Skarsnik shouldn't be able to take Skarbrand in a fight? How dare you!

For being a green midget with a sentient bouncy-ball he does alright for himself tbh.

Pede#6322

The CD race seems to have a cap on how many dwarf units they can recruit. Looks like they are forced to field crappy slave units for atleast a while.

That is awesome addition to the game to make the early game less easy.

Processing#6286

Pede#6322 said:

The CD race seems to have a cap on how many dwarf units they can recruit. Looks like they are forced to field crappy slave units for atleast a while.

That is awesome addition to the game to make the early game less easy.

But Astragoth isn't a unit, he's a lord. I am not gonna compare their units since they do have a cap, but there is exactly one Astragoth and one Grombrindal.

Processing#6286

Passthechips#4366 said:

Wait till you see Taurox or Skarbrand.

Skarbrand is a huge target that can be shot and has no spellcasting.

Tell me, in what world would you say Grimbrindal is better? He's straight up worse in any scenario... he's a **** Grombrindal.

DarthEnderX-#6513

Processing#6286 said:

Skarbrand is a huge target that can be shot and has no spellcasting.

Who would still absolutely slaughter Astragoth in a fight.

Processing#6286 said:

I am not gonna compare their units

Then why are you talking about Skarbrand being huge and shootable if none of the units that would be shooting him are being brought into the equation?

Nitros14#7973

Processing#6286 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Wait till you see Taurox or Skarbrand.

Tell me, in what world would you say Grimbrindal is better? He's straight up worse in any scenario... he's a **** Grombrindal.

Grombrindal can put a master rune of spite on fairly early in the campaign.

Bam he's now much better than Astragoth.

Uagrim#4644

Nitros14#7973 said:

Processing#6286 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Wait till you see Taurox or Skarbrand.

Tell me, in what world would you say Grimbrindal is better? He's straight up worse in any scenario... he's a **** Grombrindal.

Grombrindal can put a master rune of spite on fairly early in the campaign.

Bam he's now much better than Astragoth.

Astragoth has an army of single entities, he is now much better than Grombrindal with rune of spite and any sort of dwarf army.

#326161

You also have to consider the price and all the other abilities.

Nitros14#7973

Uagrim#4644 said:

Nitros14#7973 said:

Processing#6286 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Wait till you see Taurox or Skarbrand.

Tell me, in what world would you say Grimbrindal is better? He's straight up worse in any scenario... he's a **** Grombrindal.

Grombrindal can put a master rune of spite on fairly early in the campaign.

Bam he's now much better than Astragoth.

Astragoth has an army of single entities, he is now much better than Grombrindal with rune of spite and any sort of dwarf army.

Those have units caps and are late game. Grombrindal can solo armies on turn 5.

afverrall#1754

Processing#6286 said:

Stolen from reddit.



So you get double the speed and lore of Hashut and Fire and lose unbreakable on a dwarf lord that is already basically unbreakable.

Astragoth should have much lower melee attack and melee defense and probably WS too.

Heaven forbid a dwarf be weaker than something, even another dwarf. He's a chaos-corrupted high priest with a stone body and mechanical enchantment by what possible logic is that stat block too strong? It's like complaining sigvald has better melee stats that karl franz but their both human.

FonRestorff#9571

Chais dwarf are a superior version of dwarfs but in smaller numbers. I don't get the problem?
Some cellar dwelling neckbeard shouldn't stand a chance against a powerful ceo.

Foromar#5519

afverrall#1754 said:

Processing#6286 said:

Stolen from reddit.



So you get double the speed and lore of Hashut and Fire and lose unbreakable on a dwarf lord that is already basically unbreakable.

Astragoth should have much lower melee attack and melee defense and probably WS too.

Heaven forbid a dwarf be weaker than something, even another dwarf. He's a chaos-corrupted high priest with a stone body and mechanical enchantment by what possible logic is that stat block too strong? It's like complaining sigvald has better melee stats that karl franz but their both human.

The main problem is that you can pretty much bet on Astragoth having a similar, if not lower price than Grombi.

CA has always hated on the dwarf Lords/Heroes for some reason and made them more or less dead weight in any mp setting and even in sp they suck without the Rune of Spite.

Bayes#3307

Imagine being a sad little dwarf lord sitting there with your little shield while the chad chaos dwarf lords are flying around on bulls lobbing magma balls in your face.

Reeks#2417

This is a non-issue at this point

You don't even know how good his combat animations are for example...

Use your energy on other issues worth getting worked up over...

SettraDoesNotSimp#5603

Aside from grombindal comparison, It is clear that the more content came out, the more G1 factions lag behind, and this remains true even for those who got a DLC in game 2. Compare Bestigor herd to basically any High tier infantry for example, or centigors with slaneeshy cav.

It was always like that, since CA seem to have no care to balance their units unless they are on a famous roster

For example minotaurs were always bad, but for buffed only when khorne made that clear

Things got even worse in game 3 imho since CA seem to have lost any basic interest in balancing the game, with things that are grossly overpriced or unused by years and completely forgotten

Balanced content>>>> more content

AxiosXiphos#9040

CA gave up on balancing a long time ago. Have you tried an Orion or Taurox campaign recently? It's basically playing with cheats enabled.