Future Races in the New Paradigm

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907

Assuming that CA is Serious and All Future Races will be 3 LLs and 1 LH I figured it would be intersting to speculate on what that could mean for Future Races.

I have long been an Advocate for Minor Races and in particular the splitting of the Dogs of War into Individual Races;
Tilea, Estalia, Araby and based on some old Datamined info, Marienburg.
With this new Paradigm I'd been thinking on who the Legendary Characters could be and the only one that seems immediately obvious to me is Tilea:
LL - Borgio the Besieger
LL - Lorenzo Lupo
LL - Fernando Pirazzo
&
LH - Lucrezzia Belladonna

For Marienburg only Two Characters jump out to me,
LL - Jaan Van De Kypens
&
Camille Dauphina (Head of the Cult of Manann) who could go either way.

What other characters do we see for future races and how do we think they will be distributed?

Cortes31#6909

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907 said:

LL - Borgio the Besieger
LL - Lorenzo Lupo
LL - Fernando Pirazzo
&
LH - Lucrezzia Belladonna

More Like

LL - Borgio the Besieger
LL - Lorenzo Lupo
LL - Lucrezzia Belladonna
&
LH - Mydas the Mean

Captain_Rex#1635

Lucrezzia is the only potential Caster LL for DoW. Making her a LH is just dumb.

Especially when we already have Mydas for that.

Pirazzo is a Regiment Captain and shouldn’t be a LL. LH would already be a stretch.

- Borgio
- Lucrezzia
- Lorenzo Lupo
LH: Mydas

Steph#6413

I'm not an expert of lore, but what would be nice is
- 1 LL for Estalia
- 1 LL for Tilea
- 1 LL for Border Princes
- 1 LL for New World Colonies

And maybe for each of them a double start option : in their province, or far away as a DoW expedition.

If that make sense?

Yes, I know it's 4 LL and not 3 LL + 1 LH... But here we have a race with 4 different 'sub cultures", counting the colonies, and not even counting the mercenary part.

For Chaos Dwarves (or possibly Ind, Khuresh, or other lords packs), having 3 LL (or even 2) works much better since they are in a less diversified area IMO.

Captain_Rex#1635

#1609 said:

I'm not an expert of lore, but what would be nice is
- 1 LL for Estalia
- 1 LL for Tilea
- 1 LL for Border Princes
- 1 LL for New World Colonies

And maybe for each of them a double start option : in their province, or far away as a DoW expedition.

If that make sense?

There are only Tilean characters.

Border Princes aren’t a culture they are a hot pot from people coming from all over the world. There are Lietpold and Bernhardt as potential BP characters but at this point it’s more likely that Lietpold comes as a Rogue Empire LL.

Steph#6413

That's what I gathered... But it's a shame, from a gameplay perspective 1 LL for each "sub culture" would be much better than 4 LL all from Tilea.

SerPus#7395

Marienburg as a separate race? What's the point? Just make it DoW/Empire hybrid.

Captain_Rex#1635

#1609 said:

That's what I gathered... But it's a shame, from a gameplay perspective 1 LL for each "sub culture" would be much better than 4 LL all from Tilea.

That’s not how DoW work tho. All armybook characters are Tilean City State Rulers.

DarthEnderX-#6513

LL - Borgio the Besieger
LL - Lucrezzia Belladonna
LL - Someone Estalian
LH - Mydas the Mean

Captain_Rex#1635 said:

All armybook characters are Tilean City State Rulers.

Good thing DoW has characters that aren't in the armybook then.

Captain_Rex#1635

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

LL - Borgio the Besieger
LL - Lucrezzia Belladonna
LL - Someone Estalian
LH - Mydas the Mean

There is no such thing as “Someone Estalian” unless CA makes someone up. Which they won’t do considering the whole Bull Centaur thing.

Just like for CD, they will go for the classic 3 approach.

TheWattman#7460

Lets not assume this please, it isn't a recipe for success. Its something that needs to changed, not assumed to be.

DarthEnderX-#6513

Captain_Rex#1635 said:

There is no such thing as “Someone Estalian” unless CA makes someone up. Which they won’t do considering the whole Bull Centaur thing.

Uh huh. I'll just let Cylostra, Kostaltyn and all the Cathayans know then.

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907

The Legions of Nagash could be:
Nagash, Dieter Helsnicht & The Nameless as LLs, Not sure about the LH

That also means that we could get a CoC style Vampire Counts DLC with;
Neferata, Zacharias the Everliving, Vorag Bloodytooth and, since he'd not be with Nagash, Wallach Harkon.

Captain_Rex#1635

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

Captain_Rex#1635 said:

There is no such thing as “Someone Estalian” unless CA makes someone up. Which they won’t do considering the whole Bull Centaur thing.

Uh huh. I'll just let Cylostra, Kostaltyn and all the Cathayans know then.

Can you also tell my Og Bull Centaur Boy? Because I can’t find him.

DarthEnderX-#6513

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907 said:

Can you also tell my Og Bull Centaur Boy? Because I can’t find him.

I can tell him that CA didn't care enough to invent him. But I think he already knows.

TheWattman#7460

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907 said:

The Legions of Nagash could be:
Nagash, Dieter Helsnicht & The Nameless as LLs, Not sure about the LH

That also means that we could get a CoC style Vampire Counts DLC with;
Neferata, Zacharias the Everliving, Vorag Bloodytooth and, since he'd not be with Nagash, Wallach Harkon.

Nagash doesn't need LHs. Unless Helsnicht and the Nameless are made that, but they shouldn't. Also, Ushoran for the Strigoi please.

#153592

For DoW :

- LL Borgio Besieger
- LL Lucrezzia Belladonna
- LL Marco Colombo

- LH Mydas the Mean

It's for me the strict minimum, so saldy it's probably only what we will have...

But what about?
- Lorenzo Lupo (Luccini)
- Leonardo da Miragliano (as a LH)
- Ghazak Khan (Hobgoblins)
- Leitpold the Black (Border Princes)
- Gashnag the Black (Strygos)
- Bernhardt (Grudgebringer)
- Edvard van der Kraal (Marienburg)
- Jaego Roth (Grand Alliance)

There are so many cool possibilities !

DeadpoolSW#7283

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

Captain_Rex#1635 said:

There is no such thing as “Someone Estalian” unless CA makes someone up. Which they won’t do considering the whole Bull Centaur thing.

Uh huh. I'll just let Cylostra, Kostaltyn and all the Cathayans know then.

Don't forget Daemon Prince, the poster child of CA OCs.

AxiosXiphos#9040

I think it is important to remember Andy said "No New Races Planned".

That suggests strongly to me that the race(s) they have penned further must already have existing tabletop content. As much as an indepedent Tilea, Estalia etc would be.... the reality is they would be fundamentally 'new' races. The race on tabletop was the Dogs of War; that is the faction with stat-lines CA can use.

AxiosXiphos#9040

I think the most likely outcome is this;

Dogs of War:

1. Borgio
   
2. Lucrezzia
   
3. Lorenzo
   
4. Asarnil or Mydas or Leonardo (LH)
   

Durinelminpietra#4701

LLs - Borgio, Lucrezzia, Lietpold (BP lord with a few model from tamurkhan)
LH - Van Ser Kraal (still hoping they will merge Marienburg with DoW to bring in their roster the land ship, since we saw that in the datas of tww3 there's a "Marienburg" sprite for cities)

AxiosXiphos#9040

Durinelminpietra#4701 said:

LLs - Borgio, Lucrezzia, Lietpold (BP lord with a few model from tamurkhan)
LH - Van Ser Kraal (still hoping they will merge Marienburg with DoW to bring in their roster the land ship, since we saw that in the datas of tww3 there's a "Marienburg" sprite for cities)

I actually forgot about Lietpold; he is a viable candidate. But I must admit he is my least favourite of the 4 likely options.

It seems almost a given to me that they will use the landship as the DoW 'headliner' unit.

Tomb Kings had the hierotitan.
Coast had the Necrofex
Chaos Dwarfs have the Destroyer.
Makes sense the new race pack would get a 'monstrous unit' of equal measure.

brago90#3911

Captain_Rex#1635 said:

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

LL - Borgio the Besieger
LL - Lucrezzia Belladonna
LL - Someone Estalian
LH - Mydas the Mean

There is no such thing as “Someone Estalian” unless CA makes someone up. Which they won’t do considering the whole Bull Centaur thing.

Just like for CD, they will go for the classic 3 approach.

There is a character that would start in Estalia, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli.

DarthEnderX-#6513

#153592 said:

But what about?
- Lorenzo Lupo (Luccini)
- Leonardo da Miragliano (as a LH)
- Ghazak Khan (Hobgoblins)
- Leitpold the Black (Border Princes)
- Gashnag the Black (Strygos)
- Bernhardt (Grudgebringer)
- Edvard van der Kraal (Marienburg)
- Jaego Roth (Grand Alliance)

Later DLC/FLC?


Man, I was really hoping to see Bernhardt. But at this point, I'll accept it even if the Grudgebringers just get to be a DoW minor faction...

brago90#3911 said:

There is a character that would start in Estalia, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli.

At first I was like "We can't have 2 Isabellas." But then I remembered we have 2 Boris.

AxiosXiphos#9040

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

#153592 said:

But what about?
- Lorenzo Lupo (Luccini)
- Leonardo da Miragliano (as a LH)
- Ghazak Khan (Hobgoblins)
- Leitpold the Black (Border Princes)
- Gashnag the Black (Strygos)
- Bernhardt (Grudgebringer)
- Edvard van der Kraal (Marienburg)
- Jaego Roth (Grand Alliance)

Later DLC/FLC?


Man, I was really hoping to see Bernhardt. But at this point, I'll accept it even if the Grudgebringers just get to be a DoW minor faction...

Unfortunately I think the way the Chaos Dwarf DLC has been laid out had crushed that dream (in terms of seeing him as a LL). Looks like any DoW DLC will be much closer aligned to the army book then we might have originally thought.

SafironDracolich#6190

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907 said:

The Legions of Nagash could be:
Nagash, Dieter Helsnicht & The Nameless as LLs, Not sure about the LH

That also means that we could get a CoC style Vampire Counts DLC with;
Neferata, Zacharias the Everliving, Vorag Bloodytooth and, since he'd not be with Nagash, Wallach Harkon.

In fact, you can make LH or Dread of the King or Virion the Grim. What will actually be even perfect

Loply#6383

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

I think the most likely outcome is this;

Dogs of War:

1. Borgio
   
2. Lucrezzia
   
3. Lorenzo
   
4. Asarnil or Mydas or Leonardo (LH)
   

Mydas makes the most sense, he was the poster boy hero in DoW. And Asarnil would be a lot more interesting as a very very supped up RoR

Dreich#8722

neah.. its over its done we got 95% of the content for fantansy. its time for warhammer total war 40k

Captain_Rex#1635

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907 said:

Can you also tell my Og Bull Centaur Boy? Because I can’t find him.

I can tell him that CA didn't care enough to invent him. But I think he already knows.

And why would they care to invent an Estalian LL when there are 3 Armybook characters from Tilea?

Captain_Rex#1635

brago90#3911 said:

Captain_Rex#1635 said:

DarthEnderX-#6513 said:

LL - Borgio the Besieger
LL - Lucrezzia Belladonna
LL - Someone Estalian
LH - Mydas the Mean

There is no such thing as “Someone Estalian” unless CA makes someone up. Which they won’t do considering the whole Bull Centaur thing.

Just like for CD, they will go for the classic 3 approach.

There is a character that would start in Estalia, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli.

A lore blurb. I rather take the 3 Armybook characters.

AxiosXiphos#9040

Loply#6383 said:

AxiosXiphos#9040 said:

I think the most likely outcome is this;

Dogs of War:

1. Borgio
   
2. Lucrezzia
   
3. Lorenzo
   
4. Asarnil or Mydas or Leonardo (LH)
   

Mydas makes the most sense, he was the poster boy hero in DoW. And Asarnil would be a lot more interesting as a very very supped up RoR

Mydas actually works very well as a LH... if Paymasters are implemented as a hero type. I'm actually curious how CA handle it. It sounds awkward but having a unit you have to 'protect' effectively would be very unique for the DoW playstyle.