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I'll simply say on the Aislinn vs Finubar debate that both are decent characters and both deserve a place (ironically, they're actually very similar in regards to naval yet different in crucial ways-something the lore pointed out in HE 8th edition army book with the pirate Otto Steinroth, basically, they actually fit well together!). Every time we have an argument on these two, it instantly reminds me of the arguments between Gor-Rok vs Nakai (spoiler, we thankfully got both!).
In regards to the post, I agree with both LLs, all I would say on Dechala is that I feel she needs to start in Khuresh as she would fit well with the Naga and Snakemen within the region (it's thematic is what I'm saying considering her character). I'll also agree with others in the thread that Slaanesh is low on LLs, they need some minor characters expanded lore-wise or even entirely new oc LLs.
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
If I created a pack, I would go for High Elves vs Dark Elves in a CoC style. Something to finish both races off in regards to characters and units. So, LL-wise, I would have Aislinn and Finubar against Tullaris and Shadowblade (both races get an overt and covert type LL that match against each other) and LH wise, Korhil and Caradryan vs Kouran Darkhand. I know the latter is unfair on Dark Elves but the Dark Elves only have one real LH anyway. It's a big pack but CA seems to be pushing towards this and it would be well worth it to get two races completed!
Brood of the Naga Queens: Warhammer Fan Concept: Hinterlands of Khuresh
Slaangors Boobsnakes Heartseekers Devoted of Slaanesh
That's a much better Slaanesh side, it keeps the unique sides of Morathi list, and Dechala can recruit generic DE Bolt Throwers/Troops anyways if needed
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
High Elves did have warriors with options for various weapons in 3rd edition. It was 4th edition onwards that they only had spearman as the basic unit.
Okay I'm back home and found Red_Dox's post again. The character I was thinking of was Nastasya Roskolnikov who was from a 4th edition Citadel Journal.
...and Dechala can recruit generic DE Bolt Throwers/Troops anyways if needed
She shouldn't need to. While she was originally an elf (of pre-Sundering Nagarythe!) she has no modern association with elves. (Well, no positive association. She seems to like to kill them.)
...and Dechala can recruit generic DE Bolt Throwers/Troops anyways if needed
She shouldn't need to. While she was originally an elf (of pre-Sundering Nagarythe!) she has no modern association with elves. (Well, no positive association. She seems to like to kill them.)
While that's true, it wouldn't be the first time CA played a liiiil loose on the lore, and Dechala fielding Slaanesh-marked DE units isn't that absurd.
This makes me sad. Dechala should've really been the Slaaneshi CoC with Azazel being reserved for Slaanesh proper. She has her own (very chariot focused) warband after all.
Dechala's warband (The Tormentors) also are really Chaos Spawn focused. Dechala herself is an alchemist who creates a potion/poison that creatures Chaos Spawn, so ideally she would be heavily focused on creating them as well.
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
I think the spears only front line is due to the HE military having a big chunk of it's basis in classical Greece: Hoplites (Citizen Militia!) supported by a variety of region specific auxillies (historically usually mercenaries) such as Rhodesian Slingers, Kretan Archers, Thracian Peltasts, Thessalian cavalry... (Elyrian Reavers, Tiranoc Chariots, Shadow Warriors of Nagarythe, Dragon Princes of Caledor...) Heck even the Naval strategy of the Helves closely resembles the classical Athenian Navy and their network of Naval bases through the Delian league.
Also swords are rarely a primary battlefield weapon and in many cases the equivalent of a modern 9 mil sidearm.
This makes me sad. Dechala should've really been the Slaaneshi CoC with Azazel being reserved for Slaanesh proper. She has her own (very chariot focused) warband after all.
Dechala's warband (The Tormentors) also are really Chaos Spawn focused. Dechala herself is an alchemist who creates a potion/poison that creatures Chaos Spawn, so ideally she would be heavily focused on creating them as well.
All i wish for the Final Asur dlc is to have it be lead by the phoenix.
Clad in a red cape , holding a scimitar a top of my skycutter drawn by a Arcane phoenix.
Colorfull, majestic and conclusion to all the exsisting Asur themes.
May this thread be cleansed in fire and born a new.
Imagine a glorious Skyscutter inlaid with gems forming waves, patterned with with golden curling flames, bearing Finubar and Asuryan heraldries, and pulled by a pure white Arcane Phoenix*. Ah! It's a miniature-worthy vision.
*Alternatively it could be Elasir, the lord of the eagles.
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
High Elves did have warriors with options for various weapons in 3rd edition. It was 4th edition onwards that they only had spearman as the basic unit.
I was checking that (nice find btw), seems to be in the High Elves 4th Edition armybook as "Elf Warriors" and were separate from Archers and Spearmen. 4th edition states "The High Elves of the more remote parts of Ulthuan do not train together like the spearmen and archers of the cities. Instead they hone their personal fighting skills and come in times of need to fight in small warrior bands." They came equipped with a hand weapon (a sword, axe or mace) and a shield. Like the Ship's Company, they could be equipped with spears or swap shields for an additional hand weapon.
So, High Elves had Swordsmen from 3rd-4th edition and somewhat came back through Ship's Company (who basically are HE Swordsmen). I would keep with modern lore and pick the Ship's Company as they're basically HE Swordsmen.
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
I think the spears only front line is due to the HE military having a big chunk of it's basis in classical Greece: Hoplites (Citizen Militia!) supported by a variety of region specific auxillies (historically usually mercenaries) such as Rhodesian Slingers, Kretan Archers, Thracian Peltasts, Thessalian cavalry... (Elyrian Reavers, Tiranoc Chariots, Shadow Warriors of Nagarythe, Dragon Princes of Caledor...) Heck even the Naval strategy of the Helves closely resembles the classical Athenian Navy and their network of Naval bases through the Delian league.
Also swords are rarely a primary battlefield weapon and in many cases the equivalent of a modern 9 mil sidearm.
This makes me sad. Dechala should've really been the Slaaneshi CoC with Azazel being reserved for Slaanesh proper. She has her own (very chariot focused) warband after all.
Dechala's warband (The Tormentors) also are really Chaos Spawn focused. Dechala herself is an alchemist who creates a potion/poison that creatures Chaos Spawn, so ideally she would be heavily focused on creating them as well.
Spawn and chariot focused!
In a simple way, I just want a High Elf version of Bleakswords but the lore thankfully allows this through two ways-either the 4th edition 'Elf Warriors' or 6th edition Ship's Company, either way is fine by me. I agree with what you're saying in regards to Greece. The High Elves vs Dark Elves to me has heavy themes of Greece/Athens vs Sparta in terms of how they work.
Brood of the Naga Queens: Warhammer Fan Concept: Hinterlands of Khuresh
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
High Elves did have warriors with options for various weapons in 3rd edition. It was 4th edition onwards that they only had spearman as the basic unit.
I was checking that (nice find btw), seems to be in the High Elves 4th Edition armybook as "Elf Warriors" and were separate from Archers and Spearmen. 4th edition states "The High Elves of the more remote parts of Ulthuan do not train together like the spearmen and archers of the cities. Instead they hone their personal fighting skills and come in times of need to fight in small warrior bands." They came equipped with a hand weapon (a sword, axe or mace) and a shield. Like the Ship's Company, they could be equipped with spears or swap shields for an additional hand weapon.
So, High Elves had Swordsmen from 3rd-4th edition and somewhat came back through Ship's Company (who basically are HE Swordsmen). I would keep with modern lore and pick the Ship's Company as they're basically HE Swordsmen.
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
High Elves did have warriors with options for various weapons in 3rd edition. It was 4th edition onwards that they only had spearman as the basic unit.
I was checking that (nice find btw), seems to be in the High Elves 4th Edition armybook as "Elf Warriors" and were separate from Archers and Spearmen. 4th edition states "The High Elves of the more remote parts of Ulthuan do not train together like the spearmen and archers of the cities. Instead they hone their personal fighting skills and come in times of need to fight in small warrior bands." They came equipped with a hand weapon (a sword, axe or mace) and a shield. Like the Ship's Company, they could be equipped with spears or swap shields for an additional hand weapon.
So, High Elves had Swordsmen from 3rd-4th edition and somewhat came back through Ship's Company (who basically are HE Swordsmen). I would keep with modern lore and pick the Ship's Company as they're basically HE Swordsmen.
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
I think the spears only front line is due to the HE military having a big chunk of it's basis in classical Greece: Hoplites (Citizen Militia!) supported by a variety of region specific auxillies (historically usually mercenaries) such as Rhodesian Slingers, Kretan Archers, Thracian Peltasts, Thessalian cavalry... (Elyrian Reavers, Tiranoc Chariots, Shadow Warriors of Nagarythe, Dragon Princes of Caledor...) Heck even the Naval strategy of the Helves closely resembles the classical Athenian Navy and their network of Naval bases through the Delian league.
Also swords are rarely a primary battlefield weapon and in many cases the equivalent of a modern 9 mil sidearm.
This makes me sad. Dechala should've really been the Slaaneshi CoC with Azazel being reserved for Slaanesh proper. She has her own (very chariot focused) warband after all.
Dechala's warband (The Tormentors) also are really Chaos Spawn focused. Dechala herself is an alchemist who creates a potion/poison that creatures Chaos Spawn, so ideally she would be heavily focused on creating them as well.
Spawn and chariot focused!
In a simple way, I just want a High Elf version of Bleakswords but the lore thankfully allows this through two ways-either the 4th edition 'Elf Warriors' or 6th edition Ship's Company, either way is fine by me. I agree with what you're saying in regards to Greece. The High Elves vs Dark Elves to me has heavy themes of Greece/Athens vs Sparta in terms of how they work.
I want loreful and true to TT high tier axe-wielding White Lions, and you want sword and shield Ship's Company.
The Monkey's Paw:
P.S. CA, for some reason, used the lore of Elf Warriors from 4ED for Rangers. Of course, it doesn't stop the unit from becoming playable.
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Clad in a red cape , holding a scimitar a top of my skycutter drawn by a Arcane phoenix.
Colorfull, majestic and conclusion to all the exsisting Asur themes.
May this thread be cleansed in fire and born a new.
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2 · Disagree 2AgreeIn regards to the post, I agree with both LLs, all I would say on Dechala is that I feel she needs to start in Khuresh as she would fit well with the Naga and Snakemen within the region (it's thematic is what I'm saying considering her character). I'll also agree with others in the thread that Slaanesh is low on LLs, they need some minor characters expanded lore-wise or even entirely new oc LLs.
Unit-wise, the missing High Elves units from 8th edition and Sea Patrol (Ship's Company or HE Swordsmen, I don't care which, just give me basic HE Swordsmen! Always annoyed me that HE never had them on the TT). Slaanesh can get units from the Cult of Slaanesh list.
If I created a pack, I would go for High Elves vs Dark Elves in a CoC style. Something to finish both races off in regards to characters and units. So, LL-wise, I would have Aislinn and Finubar against Tullaris and Shadowblade (both races get an overt and covert type LL that match against each other) and LH wise, Korhil and Caradryan vs Kouran Darkhand. I know the latter is unfair on Dark Elves but the Dark Elves only have one real LH anyway. It's a big pack but CA seems to be pushing towards this and it would be well worth it to get two races completed!
Brood of the Naga Queens: Warhammer Fan Concept: Hinterlands of Khuresh
https://www.worldanvil.com/w/warhammer-fan-concept3A-hinterlands-of-khuresh-furious-ming Main Website
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/288300/brood-of-the-naga-queens-fan-project-announcement-khuresh-concept-art-sarpa-infantry First Thread
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/309214/total-war-warhammer-3-hinterlands-of-khuresh-fan-concept-vimanaga-flying-war-machine Latest Thread
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That's a much better Slaanesh side, it keeps the unique sides of Morathi list, and Dechala can recruit generic DE Bolt Throwers/Troops anyways if needed
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2 · Disagree 2AgreeHoplites (Citizen Militia!) supported by a variety of region specific auxillies (historically usually mercenaries) such as Rhodesian Slingers, Kretan Archers, Thracian Peltasts, Thessalian cavalry... (Elyrian Reavers, Tiranoc Chariots, Shadow Warriors of Nagarythe, Dragon Princes of Caledor...)
Heck even the Naval strategy of the Helves closely resembles the classical Athenian Navy and their network of Naval bases through the Delian league.
Also swords are rarely a primary battlefield weapon and in many cases the equivalent of a modern 9 mil sidearm. Spawn and chariot focused!
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1 · 3Disagree 1AgreeSo, High Elves had Swordsmen from 3rd-4th edition and somewhat came back through Ship's Company (who basically are HE Swordsmen). I would keep with modern lore and pick the Ship's Company as they're basically HE Swordsmen.
In a simple way, I just want a High Elf version of Bleakswords but the lore thankfully allows this through two ways-either the 4th edition 'Elf Warriors' or 6th edition Ship's Company, either way is fine by me. I agree with what you're saying in regards to Greece. The High Elves vs Dark Elves to me has heavy themes of Greece/Athens vs Sparta in terms of how they work.
Brood of the Naga Queens: Warhammer Fan Concept: Hinterlands of Khuresh
https://www.worldanvil.com/w/warhammer-fan-concept3A-hinterlands-of-khuresh-furious-ming Main Website
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/288300/brood-of-the-naga-queens-fan-project-announcement-khuresh-concept-art-sarpa-infantry First Thread
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/309214/total-war-warhammer-3-hinterlands-of-khuresh-fan-concept-vimanaga-flying-war-machine Latest Thread
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1 · Disagree 1AgreeThe Monkey's Paw:
P.S. CA, for some reason, used the lore of Elf Warriors from 4ED for Rangers. Of course, it doesn't stop the unit from becoming playable.
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