ItalianSpartacus lists the missing Chaos Dwarf units

TheWattman#7460

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Seii-fq1ukk&t=1028s

In short, this is the list:

Bull Centaur Lord (4th edition)
Chaos Dwarf Hero (4th edition)

Chaos Siege Giant (Tamurkhan)
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower (4th edition)
Harridans (Wulfrik novel)
Chaos Dwarf Bazukas (3rd edition AND Tamurkhan)
Kollossus, although the fanconvertion is wrong (Grudgebearer)

He missed one unit though:
Magma Dragon (Monstrous Arcanum)

Clearly, although some of it comes from older lore, there is some significant stuff left out of the roster.

JToegiTheSnotling#6624

Bull Centaur Lord, Ogre Slaves, and Chaos Seige Giant are all things I really wanted to see.

Passthechips#4366

Isn’t the Chaos Dwarf Hero the Overseer?

Chaos Siege Giant can easily come through the WoC as it’s in their army book (and works great with their upgrade system).

The K’daai Kolossus isn’t a real unit. The K’daai Destroyer is basically the spiritual successor/same unit concept. It’s redundant, especially from a gameplay perspective.

The Magma Dragon isn’t a Chaos Dwarf specific unit. To my knowledge the one occasion we see the CD interact with them it’s in a purely antagonistic encounter. Let’s stop stuffing dragons where they don’t belong.

Harridans, the Bolt Thrower, and the Bazookas, sure.

Ariel#4992

I think that they can also do the black orcs from the 4th edition as an RoR of orc labourers. You could have only one unit of them in the army anyway, so having them as an RoR would be a cool nod to this.

Edit: I also think that the role of Chaos Dwarf Hero is covered with the castellan. I think that the hobgoblin khan is a much more needed addition.

TheWattman#7460

Passthechips#4366 said:

Isn’t the Chaos Dwarf Hero the Overseer?

Chaos Siege Giant can easily come through the WoC as it’s in their army book (and works great with their upgrade system).

The K’daai Kolossus isn’t a real unit. The K’daai Destroyer is basically the spiritual successor/same unit concept. It’s redundant, especially from a gameplay perspective.

The Magma Dragon isn’t a Chaos Dwarf specific unit. To my knowledge the one occasion we see the CD interact with them it’s in a purely antagonistic encounter. Let’s stop stuffing dragons where they don’t belong.

Harridans, the Bolt Thrower, and the Bazookas, sure.

How is the Kollossus not a real unit, it appears in the Grudgebearer novel from 2005. The Destroyer is a melee gorilla, the Kollossus is a Bone-Giant-like missile platform. Very different units. One is the Warsphinx, the other is the Necrolith Colossus basically.

Magma Dragons appear in two places, the Dark Lands and Naggaroth. The cover art of Monstrous Arcanum clearly shows a Magma Dragon in service to the Dark Elves. And while the Dark Elves already have Black Dragons, the Chaos Dwarfs do not have them.

Djau#5149

Bull Centaur LL
Bull Centaur Lord
Chaos Dwarf Bazookas
Chaos Siege Giant
Magma Dragon

Would be a real fun Chorf lord pack that finishes them. I don't think we'll get the Khan or Bolt Thrower.

Passthechips#4366

TheWattman#7460 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Isn’t the Chaos Dwarf Hero the Overseer?

Chaos Siege Giant can easily come through the WoC as it’s in their army book (and works great with their upgrade system).

The K’daai Kolossus isn’t a real unit. The K’daai Destroyer is basically the spiritual successor/same unit concept. It’s redundant, especially from a gameplay perspective.

The Magma Dragon isn’t a Chaos Dwarf specific unit. To my knowledge the one occasion we see the CD interact with them it’s in a purely antagonistic encounter. Let’s stop stuffing dragons where they don’t belong.

Harridans, the Bolt Thrower, and the Bazookas, sure.

How is the Kollossus not a real unit, it appears in the Grudgebearer novel from 2005. The Destroyer is a melee gorilla, the Kollossus is a Bone-Giant-like missile platform. Very different units. One is the Warsphinx, the other is the Necrolith Colossus basically.

Magma Dragons appear in two places, the Dark Lands and Naggaroth. The cover art of Monstrous Arcanum clearly shows a Magma Dragon in service to the Dark Elves. And while the Dark Elves already have Black Dragons, the Chaos Dwarfs do not have them.

So it’s a lore unit, fair enough.



The Chaos Dwarfs captured one Magma Dragon once and tried to use a Daemon to possess it but ultimately failed. As another user put it, “it’s like seeing the Imperial Dragon in the Empire Zoo and somehow getting the notion that the Empire should now field feral dragons just because of a single example.”

Chaos Dwarfs already have three Flying SEMs, they don’t need a fourth and the lore doesn’t really support them getting a dragon.

JungleElf#8229

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

Mr_Finley7#4571

JungleElf#8229 said:

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

They won’t be finished until we get Bull Centaur lords

Passthechips#4366

Mr_Finley7#4571 said:

JungleElf#8229 said:

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

They won’t be finished until we get Bull Centaur lords

So they’ll never be finished?

#568367

Djau#5149 said:

Bull Centaur LL
Bull Centaur Lord
Chaos Dwarf Bazookas
Chaos Siege Giant
Magma Dragon

Would be a real fun Chorf lord pack that finishes them. I don't think we'll get the Khan or Bolt Thrower.

I'd welcome a bull Centaur LL I won't lie.


However...I'd also be open for a ranged LL for such a powder heavy Faction. Like a chaos dwarf shotgunner or dual wielding those pistols while riding a machine.


...same for Dwarfs. Wouldn't mind some sorta Slayer engineer blasting away like Danny DeVito

mecanojavi99#6562

Passthechips#4366 said:

Mr_Finley7#4571 said:

JungleElf#8229 said:

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

They won’t be finished until we get Bull Centaur lords

So they’ll never be finished?

Why would we never get them?

Mr_Finley7#4571

Passthechips#4366 said:

Mr_Finley7#4571 said:

JungleElf#8229 said:

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

They won’t be finished until we get Bull Centaur lords

So they’ll never be finished?

Lol do you think I know what goes on in the project managers mind?

Passthechips#4366

mecanojavi99#6562 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Mr_Finley7#4571 said:

JungleElf#8229 said:

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

They won’t be finished until we get Bull Centaur lords

So they’ll never be finished?

Why would we never get them?

I was being hyperbolic and facetious. It’s possible to get them, but just like it took the Wood Elves and Beastmen ~4-5 years to get a new DLC, I doubt we see anything more than the CSG for the Chaos Dwarfs any time soon. Their current roster is great, multifaceted, and looks really fun to use outside of needing a few balance tweaks.

Meanwhile, as a Tomb Kings player it’s been over 5 years and I’m still stuck on one generic lord type for my armies and no Khemric Titan to smash with. It doesn’t look that will be changing anytime soon either unfortunately.

mecanojavi99#6562

The Chaos Dwarf Hero is definitely the Castellan, he is essentially the Skaven Chieftain but with a ranged attack and the Taur'Ruk already has Guardian so that role is covered.

The Kollossi is a 1 of a kind creation similar to Queen Bess, not a mass produced unit like the Destroyer, so unless it is added as a special RoR I don't see it happening.

The Chorfs don't really need Black Orcs, the entire point of the Hob and GS units is to be low level fodder that can be easily accessed until you start upgrading the unit caps, adding an elite unit of Slaves would defeat that purpose.

To me the units that actually make sense are these:

Bull Centaur Lord
Hobgoblin Khan Hero
Harridans
Bazooka Weapon Team
Swivel Gun Weapon Team
Siege Giant
Hobgoblin Bolthrower

mecanojavi99#6562

#568367 said:

Djau#5149 said:

Bull Centaur LL
Bull Centaur Lord
Chaos Dwarf Bazookas
Chaos Siege Giant
Magma Dragon

Would be a real fun Chorf lord pack that finishes them. I don't think we'll get the Khan or Bolt Thrower.

I'd welcome a bull Centaur LL I won't lie.


However...I'd also be open for a ranged LL for such a powder heavy Faction. Like a chaos dwarf shotgunner or dual wielding those pistols while riding a machine.


...same for Dwarfs. Wouldn't mind some sorta Slayer engineer blasting away like Danny DeVito

For a Ranged Chorf LL we have Tordrek, who would be a full engineer and would actually have the Daemonsmith and Sorcerer Prophet passive skills that buff machines around them.

For Dwarfs, we have Grimm, 8th edition character and inventor of the Grudgeracker.

Dasraliah#7896

mecanojavi99#6562 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Mr_Finley7#4571 said:

JungleElf#8229 said:

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

They won’t be finished until we get Bull Centaur lords

So they’ll never be finished?

Why would we never get them?

I mean, let's be honest, the chances Chaos Dwarfs get further content are meager to say the least. Chaos Siege Giant, sure, since it can be retrofitted from WoC. But else, unless CA severely changes their DLC format, I don't see it. They're at the bottom of the bottom of the list.

And even if CA make some wide DLCs, well I could see characters packs, I could see "add 1 LL, 1 lord and one unit to many races" packs, but none of those would give more than one LL and a token bonus to the CDs.

They will definitely never get a LP, that's for sure

mecanojavi99#6562

Dasraliah#7896 said:

mecanojavi99#6562 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Mr_Finley7#4571 said:

JungleElf#8229 said:

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

They won’t be finished until we get Bull Centaur lords

So they’ll never be finished?

Why would we never get them?

I mean, let's be honest, the chances Chaos Dwarfs get further content are meager to say the least. Chaos Siege Giant, sure, since it can be retrofitted from WoC. But else, unless CA severely changes their DLC format, I don't see it. They're at the bottom of the bottom of the list.

And even if CA make some wide DLCs, well I could see characters packs, I could see "add 1 LL, 1 lord and one unit to many races" packs, but none of those would give more than one LL and a token bonus to the CDs.

They will definitely never get a LP, that's for sure

Why would they never get a LP? CA themselves said in the recent AMA that it's completely possible for them to get more content in the future since they have done DLC for DLC Races in the past.

No one is saying it should be a priority, but saying they won't ever get one? That is simply talking our of your ass.

Djau#5149

Passthechips#4366 said:

TheWattman#7460 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Isn’t the Chaos Dwarf Hero the Overseer?

Chaos Siege Giant can easily come through the WoC as it’s in their army book (and works great with their upgrade system).

The K’daai Kolossus isn’t a real unit. The K’daai Destroyer is basically the spiritual successor/same unit concept. It’s redundant, especially from a gameplay perspective.

The Magma Dragon isn’t a Chaos Dwarf specific unit. To my knowledge the one occasion we see the CD interact with them it’s in a purely antagonistic encounter. Let’s stop stuffing dragons where they don’t belong.

Harridans, the Bolt Thrower, and the Bazookas, sure.

How is the Kollossus not a real unit, it appears in the Grudgebearer novel from 2005. The Destroyer is a melee gorilla, the Kollossus is a Bone-Giant-like missile platform. Very different units. One is the Warsphinx, the other is the Necrolith Colossus basically.

Magma Dragons appear in two places, the Dark Lands and Naggaroth. The cover art of Monstrous Arcanum clearly shows a Magma Dragon in service to the Dark Elves. And while the Dark Elves already have Black Dragons, the Chaos Dwarfs do not have them.

So it’s a lore unit, fair enough.



The Chaos Dwarfs captured one Magma Dragon once and tried to use a Daemon to possess it but ultimately failed. As another user put it, “it’s like seeing the Imperial Dragon in the Empire Zoo and somehow getting the notion that the Empire should now field feral dragons just because of a single example.”

Chaos Dwarfs already have three Flying SEMs, they don’t need a fourth and the lore doesn’t really support them getting a dragon.

I'd like all the Monstrous Arcanum units to make it in and I don't think its a big ask, we're almost there. Only two factions really fit the Magma Dragon. Dark Elves and Chaos Dwarves. Adding it to Dark Elves devalues the Black Dragon they have. Adding it to Chorfs just expands their monster arsenal while not depriving them of their bull-focus.

Seems an easy choice.

Nyxilis#3646

While there is debate on some of the specific units it does go to show that a number of things were definitely passed up and we should now be as loud and belligerent as possible till CA gives us that extra DLC...

...I'm not actually joking~

Passthechips#4366

Djau#5149 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

TheWattman#7460 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Isn’t the Chaos Dwarf Hero the Overseer?

Chaos Siege Giant can easily come through the WoC as it’s in their army book (and works great with their upgrade system).

The K’daai Kolossus isn’t a real unit. The K’daai Destroyer is basically the spiritual successor/same unit concept. It’s redundant, especially from a gameplay perspective.

The Magma Dragon isn’t a Chaos Dwarf specific unit. To my knowledge the one occasion we see the CD interact with them it’s in a purely antagonistic encounter. Let’s stop stuffing dragons where they don’t belong.

Harridans, the Bolt Thrower, and the Bazookas, sure.

How is the Kollossus not a real unit, it appears in the Grudgebearer novel from 2005. The Destroyer is a melee gorilla, the Kollossus is a Bone-Giant-like missile platform. Very different units. One is the Warsphinx, the other is the Necrolith Colossus basically.

Magma Dragons appear in two places, the Dark Lands and Naggaroth. The cover art of Monstrous Arcanum clearly shows a Magma Dragon in service to the Dark Elves. And while the Dark Elves already have Black Dragons, the Chaos Dwarfs do not have them.

So it’s a lore unit, fair enough.



The Chaos Dwarfs captured one Magma Dragon once and tried to use a Daemon to possess it but ultimately failed. As another user put it, “it’s like seeing the Imperial Dragon in the Empire Zoo and somehow getting the notion that the Empire should now field feral dragons just because of a single example.”

Chaos Dwarfs already have three Flying SEMs, they don’t need a fourth and the lore doesn’t really support them getting a dragon.

I'd like all the Monstrous Arcanum units to make it in and I don't think its a big ask, we're almost there. Only two factions really fit the Magma Dragon. Dark Elves and Chaos Dwarves. Adding it to Dark Elves devalues the Black Dragon they have. Adding it to Chorfs just expands their monster arsenal while not depriving them of their bull-focus.

Seems an easy choice.

I’d personally rather they never add the Shard Dragon or Magma Dragon units to the game. Literally anything else would be better. These dragons are a symptom of a time when GW was trying to sell as many minis as possible at the detriment of the setting and weren’t a good idea.

Case in point, they add nothing to the races in question in terms of function. Frankly, the more dragons you add to other factions who don’t need them, the less special dragons feel in the rosters where they are the showstoppers.

Warfield#9043

Also missed:


Boar Centaur




Whirlwind and Tenderizer war machines (operated by said Boar Centaur)

WingZero#8424

Poor mans bull centaur and skullcracker.

caladbolgftw#3407

Passthechips#4366 said:

TheWattman#7460 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Isn’t the Chaos Dwarf Hero the Overseer?

Chaos Siege Giant can easily come through the WoC as it’s in their army book (and works great with their upgrade system).

The K’daai Kolossus isn’t a real unit. The K’daai Destroyer is basically the spiritual successor/same unit concept. It’s redundant, especially from a gameplay perspective.

The Magma Dragon isn’t a Chaos Dwarf specific unit. To my knowledge the one occasion we see the CD interact with them it’s in a purely antagonistic encounter. Let’s stop stuffing dragons where they don’t belong.

Harridans, the Bolt Thrower, and the Bazookas, sure.

How is the Kollossus not a real unit, it appears in the Grudgebearer novel from 2005. The Destroyer is a melee gorilla, the Kollossus is a Bone-Giant-like missile platform. Very different units. One is the Warsphinx, the other is the Necrolith Colossus basically.

Magma Dragons appear in two places, the Dark Lands and Naggaroth. The cover art of Monstrous Arcanum clearly shows a Magma Dragon in service to the Dark Elves. And while the Dark Elves already have Black Dragons, the Chaos Dwarfs do not have them.

So it’s a lore unit, fair enough.



The Chaos Dwarfs captured one Magma Dragon once and tried to use a Daemon to possess it but ultimately failed. As another user put it, “it’s like seeing the Imperial Dragon in the Empire Zoo and somehow getting the notion that the Empire should now field feral dragons just because of a single example.”

Chaos Dwarfs already have three Flying SEMs, they don’t need a fourth and the lore doesn’t really support them getting a dragon.

If everyone gets a dragon, Dwarf should also employed their shard dragon for fair play. Just hope the late game AI won't be seeing them spamming them in campaign.

Valra#7325

The only unit I would really like to see out of those, would be the bazooka teams, simply because of the rule of cool.

HighPriest_Astragoth#4150

theres more, some are real easy too, like the Lava Trolls, one I actually expected was from Man O' War, a Chaos Dwarf Blunderbuss on a Taurus unit-

mecanojavi99#6562

Passthechips#4366 said:

mecanojavi99#6562 said:

Passthechips#4366 said:

Mr_Finley7#4571 said:

JungleElf#8229 said:

So they're finished, it seems.

The Chaos Siege Giant can come with another WoC-related DLC/FLC.

They won’t be finished until we get Bull Centaur lords

So they’ll never be finished?

Why would we never get them?

I was being hyperbolic and facetious. It’s possible to get them, but just like it took the Wood Elves and Beastmen ~4-5 years to get a new DLC, I doubt we see anything more than the CSG for the Chaos Dwarfs any time soon. Their current roster is great, multifaceted, and looks really fun to use outside of needing a few balance tweaks.

Meanwhile, as a Tomb Kings player it’s been over 5 years and I’m still stuck on one generic lord type for my armies and no Khemric Titan to smash with. It doesn’t look that will be changing anytime soon either unfortunately.

TK Vs Chorfs DLC, everyone wins.

DarthEnderX-#6513

Warfield#9043 said:

Whirlwind and Tenderizer war machines (operated by said Boar Centaur)

Skullcrackers are basically both those combined.

TheWattman#7460

Passthechips#4366 said:

The Chaos Dwarfs captured one Magma Dragon once and tried to use a Daemon to possess it but ultimately failed. As another user put it, “it’s like seeing the Imperial Dragon in the Empire Zoo and somehow getting the notion that the Empire should now field feral dragons just because of a single example.”

Chaos Dwarfs already have three Flying SEMs, they don’t need a fourth and the lore doesn’t really support them getting a dragon.

That piece of lore says it was a forerunner to creating the K'daai, as in this took place before they knew how to do that. They've since learned how to make K'daai and it would also stand to reason that they could refine their methods for the Magma Dragon as well.

And as has been said here, its the only race they fit in with.

Nyxilis#3646 said:

While there is debate on some of the specific units it does go to show that a number of things were definitely passed up and we should now be as loud and belligerent as possible till CA gives us that extra DLC...

...I'm not actually joking~

I agree, since that would likely only give us 4 Chaos Dwarf LLs for still a greater price than hopefully 6 Tomb King LLs, marking them as the most expensive, but least playable race in the trilogy.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

I miss the characters and I think the Harridans would be a good way to differentiate Chaos Dwarfs from their Cousins, but other than that I'm not particularly fussed.

Captain_Rex#1635

So they are done.