[LORE QUESTION] The Knight of Nurgle's Realm

Jaxhammer#8130

So, my Khaine End Times books finally arrived, and I am on the pages where Araloth and Lileath are traversing Nurgle's realm. It's a fun read and describes in detail what his realm looks like (Nurgle is at the Court of Covenant during this time with the other gods) as the pair try to rescue Isha and Vallaya. They run into a human sorceror tasked by the gods to chart and map the realms. I think this is the same guy who wrote the Liber Volumes. I think he was mentiond in Tome of Corruption, too.

But there's a Silver Armored Knight in here too who I can't figure out who he is. The book doesn't name him, but it doesn't name a lot of Characters. We only know of them by deed and cross-referencing (for instance, Skarbrand is mentioned in this book, but he is only ever referred to as a 'Colossal Bloodthirster'). The Knight was spreadeagle-bound by vines and later mentioned he had made a name for himself among the Daemons of Nurgle's realm. He dies aiding Araloth and Lileath's quest.

Does anyone know who this Silver Armored Knight trapped in Nurgle's Realm might be?

BaronKlatz#7357

Last year the devs did confirm it was Kaldor Draigo, the 40k grey knight champion trapped in the chaos realms. End Times had several 40k shouts in it.

Tzeentch711#2815

If anyone says Yuan Bo is a mary sue, I will point them to mister Draigo as he rampages across chaos realms without anything being able to stop him.

Jaxhammer#8130

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

Last year the devs did confirm it was Kaldor Draigo, the 40k grey knight champion trapped in the chaos realms. End Times had several 40k shouts in it.

Not a fan of 40k/Fantasy crossovers myself (I prefer the settings seperate. I don't like 40k), but that's interesting. Thanks for your answer!

Surge_2#1464

Tzeentch711#2815 said:

If anyone says Yuan Bo is a mary sue, I will point them to mister Draigo as he rampages across chaos realms without anything being able to stop him.

Hes actually cursed to do so. He has no meaningful impact, because its comical to suggest the realms could be impacted by a mortal.

Endless_Serpent#7195

I believe it's supposed to be a nod to Kaldor Draigo from the 40k setting. Whether or not it's actually him or not is anybody's guess. Games Workshop has always been funny when it comes to whether or not 40k and Fantasy are connected.

Tzeentch711#2815

Surge_2#1464 said:

Tzeentch711#2815 said:

If anyone says Yuan Bo is a mary sue, I will point them to mister Draigo as he rampages across chaos realms without anything being able to stop him.

Hes actually cursed to do so. He has no meaningful impact, because its comical to suggest the realms could be impacted by a mortal.

Maybe, but its still humilating for him to walk garden of Nurgle, beat a daemon prince primarch and carve his name on his heart.

Surge_2#1464

Tzeentch711#2815 said:

Surge_2#1464 said:

Tzeentch711#2815 said:

If anyone says Yuan Bo is a mary sue, I will point them to mister Draigo as he rampages across chaos realms without anything being able to stop him.

Hes actually cursed to do so. He has no meaningful impact, because its comical to suggest the realms could be impacted by a mortal.

Maybe, but its still humilating for him to walk garden of Nurgle, beat a daemon prince primarch and carve his name on his heart.

That was one of the more egregiously stupid additions to the lore, no doubt.

I believe they tried to salvage it with a Black Library release, but yeah GW screws up, a lot.

Endless_Serpent#7195

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

Last year the devs did confirm it was Kaldor Draigo, the 40k grey knight champion trapped in the chaos realms. End Times had several 40k shouts in it.

Where did the devs confirm this? As far as I know, it was just an easter egg in an End Times book. It seems a bit weird that CA would confirm this instead of Games Workshop themselves.

PoorManatee6197#6481

Tzeentch711#2815 said:

If anyone says Yuan Bo is a mary sue, I will point them to mister Draigo as he rampages across chaos realms without anything being able to stop him.

Well how could they stop him if they have never eaten a tangerine?

Pray#3234

He is my Empire knight.

Sir_Godspeed#8395

The Grey Knights in general don't really have much in terms of interesting lore aside from the writers thinking up the most "EXTREME!!!11" scenarios they can imagine and typing it down. I don't want to come off as overly negative, but they're mostly "one-upmanship, the army" (aside from the Custodes, which does sorta the same, thematically).

Jaxhammer#8130

Sir_Godspeed#8395 said:

The Grey Knights in general don't really have much in terms of interesting lore aside from the writers thinking up the most "EXTREME!!!11" scenarios they can imagine and typing it down. I don't want to come off as overly negative, but they're mostly "one-upmanship, the army" (aside from the Custodes, which does sorta the same, thematically).

Very little in 40k is interesting if you ask me lol

Wyvax#7456

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

Sir_Godspeed#8395 said:

The Grey Knights in general don't really have much in terms of interesting lore aside from the writers thinking up the most "EXTREME!!!11" scenarios they can imagine and typing it down. I don't want to come off as overly negative, but they're mostly "one-upmanship, the army" (aside from the Custodes, which does sorta the same, thematically).

Very little in 40k is interesting if you ask me lol

Pretty much just the orks, Necrons and nids personally. The rest just doesn't do it for me.

Surge_2#1464

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

Sir_Godspeed#8395 said:

The Grey Knights in general don't really have much in terms of interesting lore aside from the writers thinking up the most "EXTREME!!!11" scenarios they can imagine and typing it down. I don't want to come off as overly negative, but they're mostly "one-upmanship, the army" (aside from the Custodes, which does sorta the same, thematically).

Very little in 40k is interesting if you ask me lol

BaronKlatz#7357

Endless_Serpent#7195 said:

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

Last year the devs did confirm it was Kaldor Draigo, the 40k grey knight champion trapped in the chaos realms. End Times had several 40k shouts in it.

Where did the devs confirm this? As far as I know, it was just an easter egg in an End Times book. It seems a bit weird that CA would confirm this instead of Games Workshop themselves.

Oh sorry I meant the GW devs, not CA devs. Should’ve said writers.

But yeah, at Warhammer World the AoS groups were able to ask if the mysterious silver knight was Gardus Steelsoul-

A Stormcast in silver armor with similar criteria of massive size, speaking in a strange language & accent along with crackling powers to smite daemons who got stuck in Nurgle’s Garden for several books until fellow Stormcast Eternals ventured in to help him escape




-who has long been believed by the AoS fandom to be that silver knight but the writers confirmed it was Kaldor as part of the other 40k references End Times had( Empire pikemen had a pike formation manual written by Guilliman, Skaven farsqueaker heard Aeldari in space, etc)

Tyrant#1234

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

Last year the devs did confirm it was Kaldor Draigo, the 40k grey knight champion trapped in the chaos realms. End Times had several 40k shouts in it.

They confirmed it? That's news to me. Last I heard the anti shared universe crowd were claiming it was an AoS Sigmarine. I thought GW never confirmed or denied it was Kaldor or the Stormcast guy or anyone else.

Jaxhammer#8130

Surge_2#1464 said:

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

Sir_Godspeed#8395 said:

The Grey Knights in general don't really have much in terms of interesting lore aside from the writers thinking up the most "EXTREME!!!11" scenarios they can imagine and typing it down. I don't want to come off as overly negative, but they're mostly "one-upmanship, the army" (aside from the Custodes, which does sorta the same, thematically).

Very little in 40k is interesting if you ask me lol

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lotta weirdos in that community and the setting is so massive that no win or loss seems to matter in the grand scheme of things. I'm also just not a fan of Sci-Fi and Fantasy mixed together in general. Why are space people talking like "Thee" and "Thine?" It all just seems so silly to me.

Daemons in space. Give me a break lol

BaronKlatz#7357

Tyrant#1234 said:

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

Last year the devs did confirm it was Kaldor Draigo, the 40k grey knight champion trapped in the chaos realms. End Times had several 40k shouts in it.

They confirmed it? That's news to me. Last I heard the anti shared universe crowd were claiming it was an AoS Sigmarine. I thought GW never confirmed or denied it was Kaldor or the Stormcast guy or anyone else.

Yeah I was one of those people. 😄

I preferred the idea it was the Stormcast Lord-Celestant Gardus since that’d make neat foreshadowing of what was to come and tie in his journeys through Nurgle’s Garden.

However halfway through 2022 after the Warhammer World interview stuff it started popping up on forums they said it was Kaldor. Hard to confirm if it was out of GW’s mouth or some ex-writers at the conventions who revealed what they were putting into the lore at the time.

Still it’s no more a shared universe than when 7th edition had the Old Ones Starvessels appear covered in greenskin spores as they approached the planet.

Just more dimension-hopping shenanigans and Chaos Realm not following the rules of space and time.

It’s already embraced Soul Grinders afterall.

Sir_Godspeed#8395

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

Sir_Godspeed#8395 said:

The Grey Knights in general don't really have much in terms of interesting lore aside from the writers thinking up the most "EXTREME!!!11" scenarios they can imagine and typing it down. I don't want to come off as overly negative, but they're mostly "one-upmanship, the army" (aside from the Custodes, which does sorta the same, thematically).

Very little in 40k is interesting if you ask me lol

That's fine, obviously, to each our own. I've always been a fan of the dystopian nature of the Imperium internally. The hive cities, Inquisition, intrigue, etc.

Tyrant#1234

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

Tyrant#1234 said:

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

Last year the devs did confirm it was Kaldor Draigo, the 40k grey knight champion trapped in the chaos realms. End Times had several 40k shouts in it.

They confirmed it? That's news to me. Last I heard the anti shared universe crowd were claiming it was an AoS Sigmarine. I thought GW never confirmed or denied it was Kaldor or the Stormcast guy or anyone else.

Yeah I was one of those people. 😄

I preferred the idea it was the Stormcast Lord-Celestant Gardus since that’d make neat foreshadowing of what was to come and tie in his journeys through Nurgle’s Garden.

However halfway through 2022 after the Warhammer World interview stuff it started popping up on forums they said it was Kaldor. Hard to confirm if it was out of GW’s mouth or some ex-writers at the conventions who revealed what they were putting into the lore at the time.

Still it’s no more a shared universe than when 7th edition had the Old Ones Starvessels appear covered in greenskin spores as they approached the planet.

Just more dimension-hopping shenanigans and Chaos Realm not following the rules of space and time.

It’s already embraced Soul Grinders afterall.

I wouldn't worry too much, it's not like GW will ever do a big crossover. the shared universe is more a lore easter egg than anything. While I like both settings and like the idea of it being a shared multiverse. Just imagine if a 40K army entered the WHFB space... It would just break the setting, the only faction from 40K I could see in WHFB is the Nids with the stipulation that it's an extremely weak and unevolved tendril with no ranged biomorphs exept the most basic forms.

Passthechips#4366

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

Surge_2#1464 said:

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

Sir_Godspeed#8395 said:

The Grey Knights in general don't really have much in terms of interesting lore aside from the writers thinking up the most "EXTREME!!!11" scenarios they can imagine and typing it down. I don't want to come off as overly negative, but they're mostly "one-upmanship, the army" (aside from the Custodes, which does sorta the same, thematically).

Very little in 40k is interesting if you ask me lol

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lotta weirdos in that community and the setting is so massive that no win or loss seems to matter in the grand scheme of things. I'm also just not a fan of Sci-Fi and Fantasy mixed together in general. Why are space people talking like "Thee" and "Thine?" It all just seems so silly to me.

Daemons in space. Give me a break lol

Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?

WH40k really has jumped the shark (relative to normal) with some of their race designs in the last decade. Like making the Necrons space Tomb Kings, and some of the recent models have me wondering if I’m looking at AoS.

PoorManatee6197#6481

Passthechips#4366 said:

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

Surge_2#1464 said:

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

Sir_Godspeed#8395 said:

The Grey Knights in general don't really have much in terms of interesting lore aside from the writers thinking up the most "EXTREME!!!11" scenarios they can imagine and typing it down. I don't want to come off as overly negative, but they're mostly "one-upmanship, the army" (aside from the Custodes, which does sorta the same, thematically).

Very little in 40k is interesting if you ask me lol

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lotta weirdos in that community and the setting is so massive that no win or loss seems to matter in the grand scheme of things. I'm also just not a fan of Sci-Fi and Fantasy mixed together in general. Why are space people talking like "Thee" and "Thine?" It all just seems so silly to me.

Daemons in space. Give me a break lol

Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?

WH40k really has jumped the shark (relative to normal) with some of their race designs in the last decade. Like making the Necrons space Tomb Kings, and some of the recent models have me wondering if I’m looking at AoS.

Yeah I'm not a fan of a lot of the recent model design choices, like taking artworks from the 90s and making models out of them, they look so out of place nowadays.

A lot of miniatures also make me feel like they are "making a pose for the photo", if that makes sense, like they try to make them so dynamic it ends up backfiring and making them look artificial.

And then there are the blatant rip-offs like with the recent (I guess not that recent anymore, oh my, how time flies) necron and primaris releases which are just units from starcraft:

Jaxhammer#8130

What a wonderful day to pretend 40k doesn't exist.

So do we have proof of this confirmation or?

Surge_2#1464

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

What a wonderful day to pretend 40k doesn't exist.

So do we have proof of this confirmation or?

Like when Skaven contacted the Eldar?

Chainswords, in the very game?

Powerfist Campaign rewards?

PhoenixKingMalekith#5710

Then we can finally say with no fear of being wrong that Sigmar is a primarch. Which was something “obvious”.

Belisaurio#7536

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

-who has long been believed by the AoS fandom to be that silver knight but the writers confirmed it was Kaldor as part of the other 40k references End Times had( Empire pikemen had a pike formation manual written by Guilliman, Skaven farsqueaker heard Aeldari in space, etc)

I asked Josh Reynolds the same question and he answered that it's whoever you want to be. There wasn't any plan appart from being an easter egg.

Edit:

Surge_2#1464

Belisaurio#7536 said:

BaronKlatz#7357 said:

-who has long been believed by the AoS fandom to be that silver knight but the writers confirmed it was Kaldor as part of the other 40k references End Times had( Empire pikemen had a pike formation manual written by Guilliman, Skaven farsqueaker heard Aeldari in space, etc)

I asked Josh Reynolds the same question and he answered that it's whoever you want to be. There wasn't any plan appart from being an easter egg.

Yes, which is typical of GW.

Jaxhammer#8130

Surge_2#1464 said:

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

What a wonderful day to pretend 40k doesn't exist.

So do we have proof of this confirmation or?

Like when Skaven contacted the Eldar?

Chainswords, in the very game?

Powerfist Campaign rewards?

Easter eggs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Captain_Rex#1635

Surge_2#1464 said:

Jaxhammer#8130 said:

What a wonderful day to pretend 40k doesn't exist.

So do we have proof of this confirmation or?

Like when Skaven contacted the Eldar?

Chainswords, in the very game?

Powerfist Campaign rewards?

Stuff like these are just Easter Eggs.

Like Huyang telling a story that begins with "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." in the latest Ahsoka Episode.

Belisaurio#7536

Surge_2#1464 said:

Yes, which is typical of GW.

Completely agree, but from time to time I see some channels or even users talking about that, creating their own lore to make it "real" (whatever this means), even if the main writers and the narrative team already said that there wasn't even a plan behind this stuff.