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Mr.Crack wrote: »
Yes, it should. Just slightly more difficult. Not enough to totally put people off but just enough so that buying the game for its multiplayer content becomes another incentive to buy it.
StrakerYrius wrote: »
Its called "Fall of the Samurai" for a reason - the clue is in the title.
S2 armies vs FotS is unbalanced - which is why there is the achievement for beating one...
StrakerYrius wrote: »
...However, a bow is a far superior weapon in the hands of an expert bowman...
Schulz wrote: »
If you really are a "bushido" player, you would know that cheaper units=lesser morale. It is idiotic to argue about this when you obviously see the differences in morale between cheaper and "normal-expensive" units. You can even see the differences in the unit selection section, where all of a unit's Melee defence, attack, range, bonus vs cavalry, INCLUDING MORALE, etc, stats is shown.
I don't know why, but something tells me you don't play using a Shogun 2 army, or perhaps that you don't have enough experience regarding the issue I've brought forth in this thread. No offence, of course.
the bourgeoisie wrote: »
or they could just have a price increase, did you think of that
Tyer032392 wrote: »
Problem with the price increase is that the controversial "money cheat/hack" is still in the game, so increasing the price of units wouldn't help that much. I guess it would to those who don't know about the hack/cheat, but to those who do, it simply won't work out to well.
Falcon wrote: »
Unit balance and money cheats have absolutely nothing to do with each other. . .
ShiroiKiban wrote: »
BUT HERE is the main reason why the game is out of the balance !!!! or things that are just plain wrong in everypoint !!
First the cavalary, here FoTS ppl got Gunpowder cav which can just destroy everything without getting caught...you want to chase them of with spears ? get kited... You want to get rid of them by using yari cav? Get kited into rifles. You want to fight them of with bows ? Which bows they got already obliterated by them.
This is just a minor aspect. The main issue why ppl think FoTS is just wrong. They look at the Yari ki and the mounted Yari Samurai. The Yari Ki is cheaper AND stronger than the Yari Samurai kav!!! This is just hilarious is the concluison of the majority and I agree too.
Why should a modern cav who despise old weapons and don´t train it be way better than my cav based on a 200 year old tradition in fighting and training ?
Tyer032392 wrote: »
I created a petition to CA for them to make the Bow units for the vanilla and RoTS armies to be stronger against the FoTS players to give the underlings a better chance of winning.
Schulz wrote: »
Even though I believe we are on the same side regarding the issue with Shogun 2 vs FotS in multiplayer, I believe increasing the price of the artillery unit would perhaps be better than lowering their accuracy or damage. On the other hand, I do believe that the current artillery is very strong, if not too strong, but worrying about people who money hack is unneccecary. I have personally never met someone who has exploited this hack/glitch (or atleast never been aware of someone who has done it), so the hackers are in minority. Therefore, I think CA should think and care for the majority of the players (who don't use any hacks or cheats) and increase the price of artillery pieces, instead of lowering its stats, potentially making the artillery unit useless.
AMP wrote: »
Reduce the koku for FoTS? Dude even in 14k people don't have funds to deploy 20 units, most people deploy around 14 units in 14k with FoTS. Increase the funds for S2, do not reduce them for FoTS. O.o
Indeed! Let Shogun 2 players have more money! Their units are weaker damage-per-unit wise than FotS ones!
Another thing that I didn't like was how CA implemented the Parrot Cannon. The Parrot Cannon is a American Civil War era cannon that shot straight, not at an angle, and was among the first rifled cannons to be used in combat. While they got the model right, the trajectory and angle of the shot is way off which makes it look more like a mortar than a cannon. Now, the Armstrong gun on the other hand should have its price increased by a couple thousand so people don't spam them like crazy.
tree wrote: »
Wait a sec here Shogun 2s cheapest unit is the nag attn at 150 koku a pop perfect meat shield able to fight cav good, moral for the fire sale cost.
FOTS cheapest unit 400 koku matchlock kachi considered a ok meat shield at times but the smaller unit size and lower range makes most FOTS gens not favor them over the white tigers.
2nd cheapest unit for shogun 2 200 koku sword attendant good moral not as flexible as the nag but overall a good unit for the price.
White tiger cost 500 koku weak weak moral with 4 however its larger unit size is ok still not a cheap unit and is famous for mass routing from gun fire or hand to hand combat.
My point here is that Shogun 2 players have more flexible picks in terms of cheaper units I would use that to help you quite a bit.
Corsair wrote: »
i disagree, the only thing i would say is overpowered is the gun general and his sniper soldiers, apart from that, i've only ever lost once to a fots general using standard shogun 2 units.
what you have to remember is that against gun soldiers pretty much ALL of your soldiers outlcass them in melee, even bloody loan sword ashigaru; therefore it is not about the quality of your troops but the morale and numbers of your troops.
You need a certain amount of peasants near your general for the morale buff as your main attack force, with samurai (no veterans !!) pushing him on his flanks, and cavalry stopping him shooting; light cavalry CAN work but they take 1 - 2 volleys and they're down, yari cavalry is obviously twice as expensive so you have to be twice as careful
It's really just all about cutting off his line of fire ... he can't shoot his own men in the back
Sure they are cheaper but you're missing one thing... they only have 75 men in them, so it's not really that beneficial. Having a cheap meat shield doesn't matter much anyway against a smart FoTS player that just brings a balanced build himself and lets his melee infy do the tanking once your meat shield gets close.