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KilliemanKillieman Junior MemberPosts: 17Registered Users
edited February 2011 in Technology
Hoping to build a new PC for TW:S2.

Case: Antec 900
PSU: Corsair 650W TX Series
Mobo: ASUS P8P67 PRO
CPU: Intel i5 2500K @ 3.3GHz
GPU: Zotac GeForce GTX460 1GB AMP
RAM: Corsair 4GB (2x 2GB) @ 1600 MHz
HDD: 1TB @ 7200rpm
Optical Drive: Internal Blu-ray w/ DVD Re-writer
Resolution: 24" @ 1920 x 1080

How would this work together with shogun or any suggestions on changes to parts? This is basically maxing out my budget (a small leeway though).
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  • evotucevotuc Senior Member Posts: 983Registered Users
    edited January 2011
    Hey Killieman!

    With the resolution you are running, it would be better if you could get a video card with more memory. Other than that, it looks great!
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  • evotucevotuc Senior Member Posts: 983Registered Users
    edited January 2011
    By the way, we keep asking everyone who requests help here to post pictures of their new build. Here's looking at you, kid!
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  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited January 2011
    I agree with Evo, although you should do pretty well even with 1gig - its hard to get much more with NVidia cards without going way up the hierachy/cost tree. One other comment, you probably would do well to spend any left over cash on a decent 'after-market' cooler. The default is ok, but you can do far better and not spend much money if you are careful.

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  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited January 2011
    Looking to build in the next month or two. Hopefully before Shogun releases. Thanks for the help. Any specifc cooler you would recommend?
  • Maeda_ToshiieMaeda_Toshiie Senior Member SingaporePosts: 3,601Registered Users
    edited January 2011
    IMO, a 650W PUS is a neither here nor there item. A good 550W PSU is sufficient for single GPU setups while it is advisable to get a good 700+W PSU if you intend to use SLI or x-fire.

    As for cooling, seems like Sandy Bridges are not that hot.
    http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13488&Itemid=99999999
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  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited January 2011
    @Killeman see this link:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=1155+heatsink As you can see, you can spend as little as $24 for a Xigamatek, or go insane and spend $100 if you want liquid cooling for outrageous overclocking or below-ambient benching. Personally, for air and standard use, the Xigamateks have been shown to be excellent and some of the most cost effective. I do agree with Maeda that the 1155 sockets are likely to be cooler running than earlier models, but I don't think I would recommend using the stock cooler unless you want shorter lifespan and the default failure rate possibility. The average increase in CPU temp over (even not very good after-markets) is nearly 30% (15 to 17 degrees celsius for sockets 1156 and 1366). This is for stock speeds, no one in their right mind uses the default cooler for overclocking.


    @Maeda
    LOL, Although its an entertaining article, I think it sold my point at least in part. The developers hand-chose their die, and used an inexpensive AFTER-MARKET cooler which was my sugestion above. If their stock cooler were adequate, why was it not used? (Over-volting aside, see my off-topic remark in parentheses below)


    Back to Killeman,
    It should also be noted you will want someting other than the regrettable goop they put in a thick pad-like coating in the center of most default heat-sink applications. Its too think, not competitive, and can cause NO contact between the two metal surfaces which is the MOST effective way to remove heat from your CPU. Clean off the old junk, use isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) to clean the cpu surface, and replace. Use Arctic Cooling's MX-2 or, if you're very careful and care about evey last degree Celsius, Arctic SIlver 5. The former is non-conductive, and very effective, the latter is more effective, but also conductive and not recommended unless you are at least somewhat the enthusiast and know what I mean about electrically conductive!

    (I don't want to get too far off-topic, but personally, I consider anything much above 60~65 higher than I would prefer, and this has to do with reducing failure rate and increasing the longevity of meeting frequency ratings with default voltages over time. In this way I consider minor investments like after-market cooling as a sort of "insurance-investment" in greater likelihood to achieve retirement age with honor. I will link a model of how this shapes Intel warranty and recommended specifications below, and I will leave off binning and the early nature of the controlled demo as not topical http://www.anandtech.com/show/2468/6).
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  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    After a fair bit of digging and research I have come up with a pre-built PC within my new (slightly increased) budget.

    Case: Antec 900
    Mobo: Asus P8P67
    CPU: i5-2500K @ 3.3GHz, OC'ed to 4.8GHz
    CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H70
    RAM: Corsair 4GB 1600MHz (2 x 2GB)
    HDD: 2 x 1TB Seagate Barracude in RAID0 Striping or in RAID1 Mirroring
    Optical Drive: Samsung 22x DVD-RW
    GPU: ATI HD6970 2GB or nVidia GTX 570 1.3GB
    PSU: Corsair TX650W
    OS: Windows 7 Home Premium
    Monitor: Same as above. Not changing.

    Any recommendations on how to set up the HDD's or which GPU of the 2, I should be going with?

    Many thanks for any help!

    PS. How would the system deal with Shougn 2 out of interest setup as it is?
  • GodofCatsGodofCats Member Posts: 50Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Killieman wrote: »
    After a fair bit of digging and research I have come up with a pre-built PC within my new (slightly increased) budget.

    Case: Antec 900
    Mobo: Asus P8P67
    CPU: i5-2500K @ 3.3GHz, OC'ed to 4.8GHz
    CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H70
    RAM: Corsair 4GB 1600MHz (2 x 2GB)
    HDD: 2 x 1TB Seagate Barracude in RAID0 Striping or in RAID1 Mirroring
    Optical Drive: Samsung 22x DVD-RW
    GPU: ATI HD6970 2GB or nVidia GTX 570 1.3GB
    PSU: Corsair TX650W
    OS: Windows 7 Home Premium
    Monitor: Same as above. Not changing.

    Any recommendations on how to set up the HDD's or which GPU of the 2, I should be going with?

    Many thanks for any help!

    PS. How would the system deal with Shougn 2 out of interest setup as it is?

    As far as video cards go, the GTX 570 would have a slight advantage over the ATI. It would run temps higher, but the Antec 900 and your aftermarket cooler should help with that (and it really isn't even an issue - just something to consider).

    As for the HDDs, it depends on preference and what you store on your pc... I won't go into detail as I have little experience when setting up RAIDs... but you should be good with whatever configuration you decide (2TB is quite a bit of storage).

    As for how it would deal with Shogun... you've got a good system, it will handle most settings admirably.
  • AlexandruAlexandru Junior Member Posts: 19Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    how about this:
    AMD PHENOM II X6 1055T 2,8 GHx
    SAPPHIRE RADEON HD 6870 1GB
    SAPPHIRE MOTHERBOARD PC-AM3RS890G SOKET AM3
    KINGSTON HYPERX GENESIS 4GB 2x2GB DDR3 1600MHX CL9
    SEGATE BARRACUDA 7200.12 1TB
    COOLERMASTER 650 WATT SERIE GX
  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited February 2011
    @Alexandru
    Please start your own thread. We keep each topic and specific request spearate so we can keep track of the information more clearly. Thanks. :)

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  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Thanks. Looking around the GTX 570 seems to be better recieved. Just wasn't sure if having less memory in the GPU was a big disadvantage or not.
  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited February 2011
    It is in two cases: One, some games are very very demanding of Vram, S2 has the look of being so... Two, this case leads to much more being needed on high resolutions (say 1920x1200 and particularly, ABOVE that). What that means is if you have a demanding Vram title AND a large screen you are _probably_ going to need more than 1gig of memory to run everything on ultra. We're saying that because we feel that NTW needs NEARLY 1g of vram to do the same on high resolution monitors.

    The good news is that the 570 with 1.25 gigs or whatever it is, should have just enough. The 6xxx's with 2gigs have more than enough. Now obviously, there are some other considerations... NVidia cards usually have wider bit memory interfaces (say, like a highway with more lanes, the traffic can get through a section faster with three lanes than two), and ther ecan be othe rmitigations to the mix depending on how the drivers are written. We have very little clue as to how that will work until the game is released and we can see what driver versions are out there at the time.

    I am probably buying at least one 570, and may get more than that. I am waiting for the dual card versions due out any time now, to see what the pricepoint will be for them on both sides and compare them with the 570. We have seen some 570s at below 350!

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  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Thanks for the help. I have alot better experiences with nVidia cards so I will probably go for the 570 by the looks of it. Was only going for the 6970 if it was significantly better.
  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Thought I would keep you up to date. I've finally got the system chosen and it is now being built.

    Case: Antec 900
    Mobo: Gigabyte P67A-UD4
    CPU: i5-2500K @ 4.8GHz (Overclocked)
    CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H70
    RAM: Corsair 4GB 1600MHz (2 x 2GB)
    SSD: Corsair Force Series 60GB (Will be boot drive)
    HDD: Samsung F3 1TB 32MB Cache
    Optical Drive: Samsung 22x DVD-RW Lightscribe
    GPU: nVidia GTX560 Ti (Overclocked)
    PSU: Corsair TX650W
    OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

    How is it going to run TW:S2?

    PS. I am also looking at anti-virus and I am wondering what you would recommend? I honestly have no idea what is good and what isn't.
  • Maeda_ToshiieMaeda_Toshiie Senior Member SingaporePosts: 3,601Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    It should run fine. It is a good system.

    Wow, overclocked to 4.8GHz? Are you using a 3rd party cooler or the stock HSF?

    Anti-virus -> get a free one and you should be fine (I don't even run one... My excuse is that it sucked up system resources on my P4, though now with a new system, I still can't be bothered to get one...).
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  • ShuusuiShuusui Senior Member Posts: 216Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Killieman wrote: »
    After a fair bit of digging and research I have come up with a pre-built PC within my new (slightly increased) budget.

    Case: Antec 900
    Mobo: Asus P8P67
    CPU: i5-2500K @ 3.3GHz, OC'ed to 4.8GHz
    CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H70
    RAM: Corsair 4GB 1600MHz (2 x 2GB)
    HDD: 2 x 1TB Seagate Barracude in RAID0 Striping or in RAID1 Mirroring
    Optical Drive: Samsung 22x DVD-RW
    GPU: ATI HD6970 2GB or nVidia GTX 570 1.3GB
    PSU: Corsair TX650W
    OS: Windows 7 Home Premium
    Monitor: Same as above. Not changing.

    Any recommendations on how to set up the HDD's or which GPU of the 2, I should be going with?

    Many thanks for any help!

    PS. How would the system deal with Shougn 2 out of interest setup as it is?

    I want to have a lot of money too :'(, but i can run shogun on medium to full settings with my baby that i got now... *hugs pc* what thats not normal?
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  • Maeda_ToshiieMaeda_Toshiie Senior Member SingaporePosts: 3,601Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Shuusui wrote: »
    I want to have a lot of money too :'(, but i can run shogun on medium to full settings with my baby that i got now... *hugs pc* what thats not normal?

    Well, you can get money from work (even if you are a student, you can still do some part-time work during your vacations to save up). If you have a budget and want some recommendations, you can post a new thread on it.
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  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Wow, overclocked to 4.8GHz? Are you using a 3rd party cooler or the stock HSF?

    Using the Corsair H70 for CPU cooling (seems to be about the best for my budget). I'm getting it from a small company that specialises in high but stable overclocks. Apparently there will be a small amount of headroom on top of the 4.8GHz as well if I wish to push it.

    As for the Anti-virus I have been using AVG Free for the past few years with Malwarebyte checks every now and again but I was wondering if there was anything better.

    @Shuusui: The result of well over a years worth of savings. I'm a student but it all came from a variety of summer and part-time jobs. You can get some really nice custom machines for a decent price if you know where to look.
  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited February 2011
    That should run it quite well, however that overclock is entirely unneccessarry for S2. If you have in mind doing something else more demanding, I would be intersted to know what it is. Otherwise, you are unneccessarily stressing the CPU to a higher voltage and heat threshhold than neccessary (probably for nearly any regular day-to-day useage I can think of). If your plan is to replace it after a few years anyway, that may be fine, but know that your chance for a CATO is also higher, regardless of what you do for top-end cooling- That only lessens the increased chance, it does not eliminate the increase.

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  • Maeda_ToshiieMaeda_Toshiie Senior Member SingaporePosts: 3,601Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Indeed. I tend to see OCs as a step to take for older hardware that are getting outdated to keep up just before a planned replacement.
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  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited February 2011
    Quite, unless you are a benchmarker or tinkerer... or an OC/Cooling Clown like me ;) But be prepared for the consequences. IF it starts to act up or you are unlucky, you need to be able to bear the cost of the experiment in good humor and without missing your lunch for a year...

    In general I only Overclock for heat testing and or establishing stable points. Once I do that I rarely use an overclock, with the intention to eventually do exactly what you say- although most times, by the time I get there, I have already replaced the system [shakes head at self]. Weak. I MAY have a chance to overclock in anger with the S2 nd Crysis releases on the 920, since it only turbos to 2.93... I am predicting this frequency is on the bubble for new upper tier cards (which I am ordering shortly), and if not, almost certainly is below the needs of a dual GPU 699x or 59x. This will depend on multithreading and multi core implementations, but indications are excellent, hence my tendency to try to warn people off overclocking anything that is already over 3.2 or gets there by turbo.
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  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    One main reason for getting the overclock is that I frequently run FEA's and Simulators, using ANSYS and Autodesk Inventor for my studies, and Flight Simulator X when I get a bit of free time from not playing TW, on my computer which seem to require a lot of CPU effort. The other being that is actually the company's standard practice. If I don't actually need it that fast then I plan on slowing it down to a more reasonable speed to extend its life a bit.

    I have a full RTB 2 year warranty on the computer (including all overclocks, factory or mine, not that I would be putting it up the way, only down) so if anything goes wrong in that period I will be able to get it fixed and after about 2 - 3 years I would begin looking at some replacement parts anyway.

    So getting paying for an anti-virus isn't worth it then?
  • Maeda_ToshiieMaeda_Toshiie Senior Member SingaporePosts: 3,601Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    @Killieman

    Number crunching is my line of work and my pov is this: work is meant to be run on the computation resources available at the office. If a company is paying me to run something, they supply the PC/workstation to run it. If I am doing research in a lab and/or at university, I again get hold of computation resources elsewhere. I am not going burn my CPU time running BLAST unless it is necessary due to time constraints.
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  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    My viewpoint is the same. The FEA's are only a very occassional occurence. I use University equipment 90% of the time if not more. It only is usually when I have assignments for the next day that I would use it for something I could do in University. I do however use Inventor for 3D modelling at home on an occasional basis to learn skills in a different program not taught by Uni to enhance my abilities. Really, just because I want to learn something new.

    Flight Simulator X on the other hand is run frequently on my home PC though as that obviously is not a University undertaking. That is me just enjoying another hobby. :p

    I probably should have said 4.8GHz is a clock speed guideline to start with which they reach to test for stability. It will be around that value (could be more or less) and they will give me benchmarks (3DMark and a few others) on its performance as well as the results of stress testing (Prime95 and others) and I can request changes up or down the way as it is being built.

    My intention is to settle for around 4 to 4.2GHz in the end so as not to burnout the chip and keep its lifespan up.

    Programs that would run on this PC would be:

    Autodesk Inventor (infrequently)
    Flight Simulator X (frequently)
    TW: Shogun 2 (very often)

    along with the usual selection of latest games (FPS, RTS).

    So bearing that in mind would the 4 to 4.2GHz be an acceptable speed for this chip? What would you recommend? I really do want the best balance of CPU Performance against Lifespan.

    Many thanks for all your help so far.
  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited February 2011
    The 2500 is a stock 3.3ghz processor that turbos to 3.7- this should be well beyond normal needs for S2, from what I can see given what you will have. I am aware of FS's tendency to use a lot of juice, but can't really see you requiring an overclock for that either unless you are hiding another couple of monitors somewhere... As Maeda has aptly written elsewhere and as you yourself must certainly know, a given clock on one of these platforms is not the same as that on a LGA775 with a core duo.

    For the other items you mention I have no input as I am unfamiliar with them.

    Have you looked at how Intel models their recommended spec and warranty period?
    See this:
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/2468/6

    There are several interesting pieces of information in that simple model, but for the sake of brevity and not to get more technical than may be of interest, overclocking that involves heat is bad- but can be mitigated. How much depends on to what degree (lol) you are willing to go. ;) Voltage increases, however, cannot be, so unless your overclock requires no overvolting, there are likely to be consequences, and they don't neccessarily have to be CATOs (catostrophic). IN particular, there is a certain amount of voltage required by factory specification to hit the target frequency in normal operating conditions. Over time, the margin of safety (operating within the specified voltage range) becomes narrower, and eventually may not be achieveable, requiring overvolting or a reduction in what frequency can be expected. Obviously, overclocking effects this period of time and margin.

    Just to add a little whipped topping onto that thought process, with the new 1155's (SBs), there is a smaller manufacturing process, less voltage, and less heat- all of which SHOULD point to greater ability to overclock without remorse... We think. Its still early, and there is simply not enough data in to know whether the delicate younger brother of the Nehalems can take a punch or not over time.
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  • KilliemanKillieman Junior Member Posts: 17Registered Users
    edited February 2011
    Interesting Article. Made for some good reading, you learn something new everyday. Guess I'll have to wait and see what the final speed is before deciding what to go with. Thanks for the help. I'll let you know what speed they reach on the 2500K and see about getting some pics of the new PC.
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