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  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    CK23 wrote: »
    The beta drivers for the Nvidia cards helped, that is for sure. It's laggy but not as laggy.

    Good so part way there. Some actual supporting drivers and some patches and we should be well on our way.
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  • Pertinax23Pertinax23 Registered Users Posts: 59
    edited September 2013
    Yeah, I just hope it doesn't turn into pointing fingers at one another about optimization issues.
  • xx19kilosoldierxx19kilosoldier Registered Users Posts: 26
    edited September 2013
    Why does CA release a game knowing that the current GPU drivers are an issue and may not support their product? I cant understand why this happens. This isnt the first time and quite frankly it doesn't happen very often with other new games. I'm not trying to be ignorant or obtuse towards CA but its their product they are the ones receiving compensation for this product.

    So we are left with two probabilities; GPU driver issue (Still CA's responsibility that the drivers are in place prior to launch) or, optimization issues with the code. (CA's responsibility to fix and or test properly before releasing)

    Im not trying to be gruff but this game launched at $60 U.S. Thats quite a sum for a PC game. Im not really interested in the blame game that CA wants to play. Its your game. Your code. Your testing. YOUR PROFIT. YOUR PROBLEM.

    Sort it out. Get on the forums and communicate. Dont run a "skeleton crew" right when you launch your product regardless of time of day. Dont point fingers at anyone else.
  • Masarius#7206Masarius#7206 Registered Users Posts: 1,450
    edited September 2013
    As far as i can tell, my issue with the one sec to the other units start lagging but everything else is fine, including rain and advisor, is map related.
    it appeared in the prolog 2 times, on the same map. now with karthago campaign, while siege defend karthago against enemys. i tried i 2 times .In any other battle so far, except other bugs, it didnt appear.
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  • FluffyPancakeFluffyPancake Registered Users Posts: 16
    edited September 2013
    Good so part way there. Some actual supporting drivers and some patches and we should be well on our way.

    Yes it's a good start, at least I can persevere, earlier this morning I couldn't even play because it was that bad, so while not ideal at least I can actually play. I know about fraps having a wee hit, but I wanted to list actual figures instead of trying to guess the fps as you know how subjective that can be.

    1-9 fps during turns in main campaign, starts of low fps then stabilizes, opening the various tabs on the ui cause's a noticeable drop in fps for a split second, like a mini pause, browsing total war encyclopedia 10fps. map navigation with mouse same fps as prologue 15-19fps give or take 1/2fps. First main campaign battle with 9 units was 16-22fps, while not great it was at least playable to a certain degree.
    I still have the issue of the right mouse click behaving as if I was holding the right mouse down, thou I don't want to go offtopic here.
  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    CK23 wrote: »
    Yeah, I just hope it doesn't turn into pointing fingers at one another about optimization issues.

    It usually does anyway, even though that solves nothing.
    Why does CA release a game knowing that the current GPU drivers are an issue and may not support their product? I cant understand why this happens. This isnt the first time and quite frankly it doesn't happen very often with other new games. I'm not trying to be ignorant or obtuse towards CA but its their product they are the ones receiving compensation for this product.

    So we are left with two probabilities; GPU driver issue (Still CA's responsibility that the drivers are in place prior to launch) or, optimization issues with the code. (CA's responsibility to fix and or test properly before releasing)

    Im not trying to be gruff but this game launched at $60 U.S. Thats quite a sum for a PC game. Im not really interested in the blame game that CA wants to play. Its your game. Your code. Your testing. YOUR PROFIT. YOUR PROBLEM.

    Sort it out. Get on the forums and communicate. Dont run a "skeleton crew" right when you launch your product regardless of time of day. Dont point fingers at anyone else.


    Well first of all, its likely that Nvidia/AMD were SUPPOSED to release their drivers on time, like they do with mainstream games. This time it appears they shot the ol bucket. And NO the drivers are NOT a CA problem, they are mostly in the realm of the card manufacturers. You may want to learn a bit more before saying something so definite. CA is responsible for giving them what they need to work with, which according to my sources they have. If you HAVE to point fingers, point them in the right direction.

    And btw, your statement is like saying that just because a volcano sprouts on a peice of land you own, your responsible for all damages. Even though there was no warning. A very silly thing to say wouldn't you agree?
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  • NarqqNarqq Registered Users Posts: 9
    edited September 2013
    Why does CA release a game knowing that the current GPU drivers are an issue and may not support their product? I cant understand why this happens. This isnt the first time and quite frankly it doesn't happen very often with other new games. I'm not trying to be ignorant or obtuse towards CA but its their product they are the ones receiving compensation for this product.

    So we are left with two probabilities; GPU driver issue (Still CA's responsibility that the drivers are in place prior to launch) or, optimization issues with the code. (CA's responsibility to fix and or test properly before releasing)

    Im not trying to be gruff but this game launched at $60 U.S. Thats quite a sum for a PC game. Im not really interested in the blame game that CA wants to play. Its your game. Your code. Your testing. YOUR PROFIT. YOUR PROBLEM.

    Sort it out. Get on the forums and communicate. Dont run a "skeleton crew" right when you launch your product regardless of time of day. Dont point fingers at anyone else.

    CA don't release anything, SEGA give them a deadline, they have to then meet that deadline, publishers are the problem, just look at Stronghold 3.
  • FluffyPancakeFluffyPancake Registered Users Posts: 16
    edited September 2013
    Hardwaremaster, thank's for getting this thread going and pointing us all in the right direction even if it doesn't help everyone it's a good start, the day started out terrible but ended with promise of achieving a solution and at least in the mean time there is a band-aid for some of us that bumps up the fps a bit so we can at least play it to a certain degree, cheers drinks on me :beer:.
  • biebrebiebre Registered Users Posts: 12
    edited September 2013
    Hey there hardwaremaster,

    just registered at 3 am in the morning from germany to tell you something, as you seem to be listening and forwarding stuff to the design team:

    The FPS Killers are:

    In Battle: Shadows. If you turn them off you get about 30+% FPS (@ 570 GTX and 3,7 GHZ Quad)

    On the campaingmap there are two pretty obvious and i wondered that noone said a word about that jet:
    - The 3d portraits of your generals, agents etc. make at least a 50% FPS Drop on my PC and..
    - ... the "fog of war" clouds to kinda the same as well.

    Just as a hint. I will upgrade to the beta driver asap but i think those things are important observations.

    Is there any way to get a 2d portrait in the game? At least temporary? Would maybe fix some things.
  • tiberius capizzitiberius capizzi Registered Users Posts: 47
    edited September 2013
    how do i get into my BIOS settings for amd to turn off my integrated graphics?? i cant figure this out
  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    Narqq wrote: »
    CA don't release anything, SEGA give them a deadline, they have to then meet that deadline, publishers are the problem, just look at Stronghold 3.

    A lot of things can go wrong with any game project, its like engineering disasters. If one of the things didn't happen. (Like Nvidia/AMD releasing proper drivers on time) Then this issue wouldn't be NEARLY as serious.
    Hardwaremaster, thank's for getting this thread going and pointing us all in the right direction even if it doesn't help everyone it's a good start, the day started out terrible but ended with promise of achieving a solution and at least in the mean time there is a band-aid for some of us that bumps up the fps a bit so we can at least play it to a certain degree, cheers drinks on me :beer:.

    I can't drink yet, too much work to do :) But I'll hold you to that for sure.
    how do i get into my BIOS settings for amd to turn off my integrated graphics?? i cant figure this out

    Depends on a lot of variables, perhaps google will be your friend:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpcsupport.about.com%2Fod%2Ffixtheproblem%2Fht%2Faccessbios.htm&ei=4YgmUubGO4HQiwLNmoDAAw&usg=AFQjCNENqqMs_J7NBV8x2jH4tyB5J74eVA&sig2=Pe1XwAdLUai7A4Y1jxFf0Q&bvm=bv.51495398,d.cGE
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  • xx19kilosoldierxx19kilosoldier Registered Users Posts: 26
    edited September 2013
    Well first of all, its likely that Nvidia/AMD were SUPPOSED to release their drivers on time, like they do with mainstream games. This time it appears they shot the ol bucket. And NO the drivers are NOT a CA problem, they are mostly in the realm of the card manufacturers. You may want to learn a bit more before saying something so definite. CA is responsible for giving them what they need to work with, which according to my sources they have. If you HAVE to point fingers, point them in the right direction.

    I very much DO understand how driver support works between a software developer and a GPU chipset manufacturer. Do not start the ad hominem game. Why can other developers have their "ducks" in a row prior to launch? Why is this the THIRD time in 3 major releases that this same song and dance has happened? I don't believe for one second that a product of this importance was released and "no one knows if the GPU drivers are supporting our product inside CA?" also what are the chances BOTH major chip set manufacturers received the specifications on time and said "meh". Said "meh" three releases in a freakin row. Come on. How stupid do you think we are. I appreciate the help but the defensiveness isnt helping at all.
    And btw, your statement is like saying that just because a volcano sprouts on a peice of land you own, your responsible for all damages. Even though there was no warning. A very silly thing to say wouldn't you agree?

    Please save your terrible analogies, I mean, really? This isn't even remotely funny or accurate and doesn't look very good coming from someone representing CA here during these issues.
  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    If you want to think so I can do nothing but feel bad for you. There is nothing defensive about it, no offense to you man but i've been supporting TW games for 8 years, and through 6 releases. This isn't the only time this has happened. And its no surprise to me that it has happened again. Regardless, I understand your points even if they are invalid for the most part.

    In any case your not adding anything to this thread so I would recommend that you avoid posting unless you have something to offer in support.
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  • SwissbobSwissbob Registered Users Posts: 9
    edited September 2013
    Did a little bit more testing. Found out that the "Change directx true to false in appdata/roaming/rome2 etc." fix actually eliminated my severe and frequent lag spikes; but it also unfortunately forced my computer to use my Intel integrated graphics and not my Nvidia, despite many attempts in both Nvidia control panel and others to select the Nvidia. Because of this, My graphics options are severely limited and my overall steady FPS dropped from 25-40 to about 15-20. So all in all I can't figure out which is better or more playable.

    A bummer indeed, but at least an interesting bummer. ;)
  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    Swissbob wrote: »
    Did a little bit more testing. Found out that the "Change directx true to false in appdata/roaming/rome2 etc." fix actually eliminated my severe and frequent lag spikes; but it also unfortunately forced my computer to use my Intel integrated graphics and not my Nvidia, despite many attempts in both Nvidia control panel and others to select the Nvidia. Because of this, My graphics options are severely limited and my overall steady FPS dropped from 25-40 to about 15-20. So all in all I can't figure out which is better or more playable.

    A bummer indeed, but at least an interesting bummer. ;)

    Woah! Really? Thats news to me! thanks for the info, very contributory. have you tried disabling it in your BIOS?
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  • JonathanM17JonathanM17 Registered Users Posts: 4
    edited September 2013
    Hi, guys

    Sorry if this is a waste of time, however I've found that on the Campaign map when I am controlling one of my armies, and I mouse over the enemy "safe-zone" (the red encompass around an enemy) the game begins to stutter an awful lot.

    I'm just curious if anyone here has experienced the same issue and if so, if anyone has found a solution. As always - nothing is perfect, but I just found it rather unusual at how specific the area is that it begins to stutter at.

    I'm not an impatient lad, if it's a known issue I assume there'll be a patch somewhere along the lines, I'm just curious.

    Cheers, folks

    Jon
  • SHUMERSHUMER Registered Users Posts: 102
    edited September 2013
    If you want to think so I can do nothing but feel bad for you. There is nothing defensive about it, no offense to you man but i've been supporting TW games for 8 years, and through 6 releases. This isn't the only time this has happened. And its no surprise to me that it has happened again. Regardless, I understand your points even if they are invalid for the most part.

    In any case your not adding anything to this thread so I would recommend that you avoid posting unless you have something to offer in support.

    hey man do you think this problem will be solved?
    total war rome 2 will be playable for the one's having issues?
  • SHUMERSHUMER Registered Users Posts: 102
    edited September 2013
    i have an acer aspire with an integrated video card (intel hd) so there is any solution for the fps and extreme lag?
  • SwissbobSwissbob Registered Users Posts: 9
    edited September 2013
    Woah! Really? Thats news to me! thanks for the info, very contributory. have you tried disabling it in your BIOS?

    Glad I could contribute in a small way :) ! I haven't tried disabling it through BIOS, due to my inexperience and lack of knowledge I made some pretty big mistakes when I attempted to do that back when I was having similar problems with Shogun, and I'm hesitant to try again.
  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    Hi, guys

    Sorry if this is a waste of time, however I've found that on the Campaign map when I am controlling one of my armies, and I mouse over the enemy "safe-zone" (the red encompass around an enemy) the game begins to stutter an awful lot.

    I'm just curious if anyone here has experienced the same issue and if so, if anyone has found a solution. As always - nothing is perfect, but I just found it rather unusual at how specific the area is that it begins to stutter at.

    I'm not an impatient lad, if it's a known issue I assume there'll be a patch somewhere along the lines, I'm just curious.

    Cheers, folks

    Jon

    Interesting, noted! can you report this in singleplayer issues by chance? CA will likely get more out of it there :)
    SHUMER wrote: »
    hey man do you think this problem will be solved?
    total war rome 2 will be playable for the one's having issues?

    Oh it will definitely be solved, the question of course is when. However im not psychic, so all I can do is guess when the patches and drivers will start rolling in. 24-48 hours.
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  • JonathanM17JonathanM17 Registered Users Posts: 4
    edited September 2013
    Interesting, noted! can you report this in singleplayer issues by chance? CA will likely get more out of it there :)

    Aye, no worries. I wasn't sure if this was the right place for it or not but I'll rattle it over to Singleplayer and see what comes about.

    Cheers,
    Jon
  • Armitage13#6843Armitage13#6843 Registered Users Posts: 634
    edited September 2013
    DerUhu wrote: »
    Disabling any additional monitor driver-/cablewise helps also if it's a multi monitor setup. The textures are ok and the framerate is better (way better than you would expect by disabling the second output).

    I have two cards and two monitors running (NOT running SLI though). Never heard of having to modify monitor settings before... can someone please elaborate on this please ?
  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    rad13 wrote: »
    I have two cards and two monitors running (NOT running SLI though). Never heard of having to modify monitor settings before... can someone please elaborate on this please ?

    You running Nvidia cards? if so there is a performance mode for Multi-Display-Performance. Just put it to single display performance mode :)
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  • GrimehGrimeh Registered Users Posts: 23
    edited September 2013
    4:
    C:/User/Name/Appdata/roaming/TheCreativeAssembly/Rome2/Scripts. In the prefrence file you will find a line saying something along "DirectX11 True: Change that to false.

    I don't seem to have any line in my preferences.script.txt about Dx11, could that be a problem?
  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    Can you attach your preferences for me Grimeh? just use the attachment system :)
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  • CowboybebopsCowboybebops Registered Users Posts: 39
    edited September 2013
    Just wanted to thank you Hardwaremaster for taking the time to reply to so many of our comments and concerns, you give me hope! :) and I have no doubt this issue wont go unsolved. I did update my drivers and it did improve my performance by a little. Thank you again, I really appreciate it.
  • Masarius#7206Masarius#7206 Registered Users Posts: 1,450
    edited September 2013
    Hardwaremaster is there any known command to show fps?i know there is a commandbox with ^
    Its for my issue with the infite lagging/staggering units and every other animation is fluid with like 30-40fps, i did like to know if my fps drops during that issue.
    I tried it one for time, its seems to be time related...
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  • SwissbobSwissbob Registered Users Posts: 9
    edited September 2013
    Swissbob wrote: »
    Glad I could contribute in a small way :) ! I haven't tried disabling it through BIOS, due to my inexperience and lack of knowledge I made some pretty big mistakes when I attempted to do that back when I was having similar problems with Shogun, and I'm hesitant to try again.

    I would like to add that I'm not entirely sure if it was messing with BIOS that I screwed up in, but I do know that somewhere along the way of trying to disable my intel integrated graphics I caused some damage to my computer... But I'm sure whatever mistakes I did make were easily avoidable and unnecessary.
  • HardwaremasterHardwaremaster Registered Users, Tech Moderators Posts: 6,391
    edited September 2013
    Masarius wrote: »
    Hardwaremaster is there any known command to show fps?i know there is a commandbox with ^
    Its for my issue with the infite lagging/staggering units and every other animation is fluid with like 30-40fps, i did like to know if my fps drops during that issue.
    I tried it one for time, its seems to be time related...

    unfortunately not that I know of, but you definitely have an intriguing view on this. Try downloading FRAPS and using its FPS counter. if you could tell me whats going on then I would be most grateful, and likely CA as well.

    @:Cowboybebops:

    Thanks, im going as fast as I can but quantity doesn't always mean quality. Don't forget to help me keep an eye out for alternative fixes.
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  • csec95csec95 Registered Users Posts: 1
    edited September 2013
    This solved all my problems! Thanx soooo much!
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