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The Ultimate Single Graphics Card Solution to play S2TW with....

The DonThe Don Senior MemberPosts: 218Registered Users
edited March 2011 in Technology
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6990-review/1

Shooo, it between this and the Nvidia GTX590 for me, the GTX590 will also have 2 GPU's nd will be released mid-end March.

Just want to wait for GTX590's benchmarks
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  • daelin4daelin4 Senior Member Posts: 16,224Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    It's also the Single Ultimate Solution to emptying your wallet prior to price drops.

    Corrected action is the most sincere form of apology.
  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    daelin4 wrote: »
    It's also the Single Ultimate Solution to emptying your wallet prior to price drops.

    And since I play loads of games and Total War is my number 1 and the reason I upgrade, this card is 110% worth it, its only $699.

    Well its competitor will be released the GTX590 , so i am keen to check out the benchmarks
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  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
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  • undrentideundrentide Junior Member Posts: 27Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Are you kidding me?!

    700 dollar for a videocard? You could really do yourself a favor and don't do that.
    If you only play games and don't need the card for video editing etc. you are really just throwing away money. I myself just bought a 560gtx overclocked version. And it runs games from this year on max. settings with ease. After a year you buy another 560gtx to make a sli setup for 50 dollar and you have the same performance for just.. 250 dollar.
    I would really reconsider if i where you..
  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    undrentide wrote: »
    Are you kidding me?!

    700 dollar for a videocard? You could really do yourself a favor and don't do that.
    If you only play games and don't need the card for video editing etc. you are really just throwing away money. I myself just bought a 560gtx overclocked version. And it runs games from this year on max. settings with ease. After a year you buy another 560gtx to make a sli setup for 50 dollar and you have the same performance for just.. 250 dollar.
    I would really reconsider if i where you..

    1. Luckly I can easily afford it, 5 years ago I probably could not 2. I will be paying... converted... around $500 if I want it, I have already made arrangments with the suppliers (Not ATI)

    Look in that bench how SLI fails... looks like I wont be getting that GTX590
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  • TrenchKnifeTrenchKnife Senior Member Posts: 102Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    I have a GTX 470, and have been playing big customs battles (thank you .Mitch for that mod!) with every setting cranked up and it runs great. You dont need a NASA like budget to run games well -I spent around $240 for my card.
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  • quezcotlquezcotl Senior Member Posts: 670Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    I'm not paying 700 dollars just to play with better framerate when I already have decent framerate in 1080p ultra settings.

    I mean, you can get a new NDS3D,Ps3 and a XBOX360 for that kind of money
  • quezcotlquezcotl Senior Member Posts: 670Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    The Don wrote: »
    1. Luckly I can easily afford it, 5 years ago I probably could not 2. I will be paying... converted... around $500 if I want it, I have already made arrangments with the suppliers (Not ATI)

    Look in that bench how SLI fails... looks like I wont be getting that GTX590

    It's not about "easily afford" something.
    My dad uncle makes (in dollar,since im swedish) around 25.000 dollar a month. yet he doesnt drive a car that shows that, nor live the lifestyle of that. he is generous though, got 5.000 when I turned 15 for ex, and never met him before.
    Wasting money, is wasting money. When you need that kind of card, a better one will be out already.

    Heck I even know a guy who plays in the NHL and doesnt have a pc thats even close to mine.
    And I'm in college.
  • undrentideundrentide Junior Member Posts: 27Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    quezcotl wrote: »
    It's not about "easily afford" something.
    My dad uncle makes (in dollar,since im swedish) around 25.000 dollar a month. yet he doesnt drive a car that shows that, nor live the lifestyle of that. he is generous though, got 5.000 when I turned 15 for ex, and never met him before.
    Wasting money, is wasting money. When you need that kind of card, a better one will be out already.

    Heck I even know a guy who plays in the NHL and doesnt have a pc thats even close to mine.
    And I'm in college.

    You just said anything i wanted to say.. (Y)
  • mmurray821mmurray821 Moderator Posts: 5,227Moderators
    edited March 2011
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  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    quezcotl wrote: »
    It's not about "easily afford" something.
    My dad uncle makes (in dollar,since im swedish) around 25.000 dollar a month. yet he doesnt drive a car that shows that, nor live the lifestyle of that. he is generous though, got 5.000 when I turned 15 for ex, and never met him before.
    Wasting money, is wasting money. When you need that kind of card, a better one will be out already.

    Heck I even know a guy who plays in the NHL and doesnt have a pc thats even close to mine.
    And I'm in college.

    Sorry Pal you are wrong, I bought ATI HD5970 in 2009 and it has been the fastest single card on the planet until today... thats 2 years.
    I can more then afford it and not only am I getting it at a very good price but I will like to play my S2TW at very high FPS on full without stutter.
    I did not create this thread so people could ***** and moan about my purchase, I created this thread so people could look at the fastest and best card to play S2TW
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  • undrentideundrentide Junior Member Posts: 27Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Post Erased, in the future if you have nothing nice to say. Dont say it
  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Post Erased, please dont feed the trolls
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  • JarquadJarquad Junior Member Posts: 15Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    What a way to waste your money. No offense, but that's really sad.
  • DarkSideHomeDarkSideHome Senior Member Posts: 1,549Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    He started this topic coz the 6990/590 is the best thing that happened to gaming since the commercialism of Multicore CPUs.


    If the 590 retails at ~750$ and only needs 2x8 pins I might get it or else I'll go with 570 2-way SLI


    @The Don: Hey, I have the CoolMaster V8, what's your temps like at full load? I'm running a 950 @ 3.7 and it runs at around 70 degrees on full load and @ 40 degrees on idle
  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Dark Side wrote: »
    He started this topic coz the 6990/590 is the best thing that happened to gaming since the commercialism of Multicore CPUs.


    If the 590 retails at ~750$ and only needs 2x8 pins I might get it or else I'll go with 570 2-way SLI


    @The Don: Hey, I have the CoolMaster V8, what's your temps like at full load? I'm running a 950 @ 3.7 and it runs at around 70 degrees on full load and @ 40 degrees on idle

    Thank god, My kind of lad.
    I should have noted that this tread is for enthusiast's


    How do you know the price of a GTX590? :)
    SLI looks like a fail with S2TW, might just be the demo but ETW had problems for a while I belive.

    What CPU stress tests are you using ? If your not, Download OCCT and run test for at least 30 min then reply with results.
    If you are, your temps are good/fine. What are your room temps?
    My temps are with OCCT- 71C under full load, 48 idle. My room temps are 28C

    Please open a freee account here http://forums.guru3d.com/ , I cannot begin to explain how much these people have helped me with my hardware.

    Also download HWmonitor, Coretemp and CPUZ, great programs to monitor OC
    Do you want me to post links?
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  • evotucevotuc Senior Member Posts: 983Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Dark Side wrote: »
    @The Don: Hey, I have the CoolMaster V8, what's your temps like at full load? I'm running a 950 @ 3.7 and it runs at around 70 degrees on full load and @ 40 degrees on idle

    That sounds hot. I looked at a lot of reviews for the V10 and they didn't like it. Not bragging here, but @ 3.8GHz, on a hexacore, my Prime95 load temps are the same as your idles. I use a Zalman 9900 MAX.
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  • DarkSideHomeDarkSideHome Senior Member Posts: 1,549Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    @Don: Lol, no, I just wanted to see if you are able to get better temps with the V8. I've read some people getting 60 degrees on full load using it but I was never able to get it below 70 (but never went higher than 73).


    I did stress tests (have 5 suites from different parts of the interwebz) when I bought the CPU/Fan last year, and now I only measure temps using "Core Temp" when gaming (no more stress tests).


    And no, I'm not sure that's how much the 590 will run at. I am just hoping it will be cheaper than two 580's and match the price of two OC'd 570's. It should be out any day now and we'll now the stock price pretty soon.
  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Its a V8 not v10 and his temps are fine. I also thought my temps were way out, but under further investigation they are okay. look at reviews for the V8 , they get the same temps as I do with an OC

    remember the i7 is a hot CPU around 10C hotter than a Core 2
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  • DarkSideHomeDarkSideHome Senior Member Posts: 1,549Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    evotuc wrote: »
    That sounds hot. I looked at a lot of reviews for the V10 and they didn't like it. Not bragging here, but @ 3.8GHz, on a hexacore, my Prime95 load temps are the same as your idles. I use a Zalman 9900 MAX.


    You remember my rig thread a couple of months ago? I didn't know what the hell I was buying at the time :p (still looking for a shopaholics support group).


    The V8 was a mistake but there isn't much in terms of options over here unless I am willing to pay 100$ to ship a 40$ fan from the US.


    So I'll stick to my V8 for the time being and keep the 950 on Twin Turbo (max 3.8) which is more than enough at my resolution (1920x1080).
  • evotucevotuc Senior Member Posts: 983Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Dark Side wrote: »
    You remember my rig thread a couple of months ago? I didn't know what the hell I was buying at the time :p (still looking for a shopaholics support group).


    The V8 was a mistake but there isn't much in terms of options over here unless I am willing to pay 100$ to ship a 40$ fan from the US.


    So I'll stick to my V8 for the time being and keep the 950 on Twin Turbo (max 3.8) which is more than enough at my resolution (1920x1080).

    I meant to say the V8. :p Still waiting for the coffee to kick in! Oh yeah, I remember your thread. You needed a 12 step program. I can see that you skipped your meetings...

    Would it really be $100 to ship a heat sink and fan? I understand that you may be exaggerating, but even anything over $20 seems outrageous.
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  • DarkSideHomeDarkSideHome Senior Member Posts: 1,549Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Shipping anything from US or Europe to Dubai costs 10$ per half-kilogram (20$ per KG). I know buying PSUs is out of the question (they weight over 5 KG so that's over 100$), but donno how much it would cost to ship a fan. I might do it in another six months if I need to overclock beyond 3.6GHz.


    I've pre-ordered the Collector's Edition of Shogun 2 from Amazon UK and now I am praying that the package is light so that I won't pay double the price of the package in shipping charges (Doh!). Did I mention that I need a shopaholic support group? :D
  • evotucevotuc Senior Member Posts: 983Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Looks as though we are high-jacking this poor guy's thread.

    To the OP:

    I would never buy a flagship card. Get a 6970. In a year or two, get another one. The amount of money you would save would be worth it. What's funny about the review you shared is that I am seeing very similar S2 demo frame rates with my 6970. But the 6990 would be double the price... Food for thought.

    Also, his temps may be "fine" but the hotter you run, the less time it will last.
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  • IscaranIscaran Tech-Hero. Posts: 4,229Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Yet it is not a "single" GPU card. Its a multi-GPU solution. You could have the same already with Crossfire HD6970s ^^. Although using 4 HD6990 in Quad crossfire probably is the ultimate setup for anything.

    And judging from the available benchmarks this monster is even running in the CPU limit many times in games with even an i7 980x overclocked (in fullHD resolution) !
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  • evotucevotuc Senior Member Posts: 983Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Iscaran wrote: »
    Yet it is not a "single" GPU card. Its a multi-GPU solution. You could have the same already with Crossfire HD6970s ^^. Although using 4 HD6990 in Quad crossfire probably is the ultimate setup for anything.

    And judging from the available benchmarks this monster is even running in the CPU limit many times in games with even an i7 980x overclocked (in fullHD resolution) !


    I wonder if that is just dropping the card in and going for it? Is that with changing the environment variables? CAL_Flush... is it?
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  • YoshimoYoshimo Senior Member Dundee/ScotlandPosts: 216Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    haha jealous, if i had the cash handy to spare, i'd buy it!
  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    evotuc wrote: »
    Looks as though we are high-jacking this poor guy's thread.

    To the OP:

    I would never buy a flagship card. Get a 6970. In a year or two, get another one. The amount of money you would save would be worth it. What's funny about the review you shared is that I am seeing very similar S2 demo frame rates with my 6970. But the 6990 would be double the price... Food for thought.

    Also, his temps may be "fine" but the hotter you run, the less time it will last.

    The CPU might last slightly less then a stock speed I7 but if you OC you should be upgrading you CPU at least once every 3 years which is fine for an oc.

    @Darkside

    Read link/review below our OC temps are fine and remember ambient temps also make a difference. In winter my temps go down quite alot.

    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/17444-cooler-master-v8-cpu-cooler-review-9.html

    What I am amped and interested about the HD6990 is the unlock mode
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  • quezcotlquezcotl Senior Member Posts: 670Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    wow, paying 700 dollar for 6 framerates thats even above 60...
    nvm, its your choice man.
  • evotucevotuc Senior Member Posts: 983Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    "On the positive side, the V8 is better than the stock Intel cooler; unfortunately, the lack of mid-level coolers in this chart does make its true performance unclear. What is clear is the other coolers tested do outclass the V8 and we assume as time goes on the V8 will stay in the mid point end of the spectrum. Not exactly bad, but not exactly in the same league as the V10 or even the much less expensive Vendetta 2."


    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/17444-cooler-master-v8-cpu-cooler-review-9.html
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  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited March 2011
    Hubris and confusion aside,

    1)This thread is for everyone, as are all threads.

    2)Tone is the only intent we can go on, please keep that in mind.

    3)Cato rate expected and target voltage level to achieve at least specified frequency will deteriorate over time with increased heat and increased voltage. This is statistically a fact, not an opinion. While heat can be effectively counter-weighted, voltage cannot. Ergo, wise overclocking involves as good a cooling solution as you can reasonably manage, and tries to avoid overvolting where possible. Where it is not possible to achieve stability without overvolting, we try as little over as possible. Depending on your platform and components, overclocking involves stressing more than just your CPU. To OC for the sake of doing it is fine so long as you understand the game and can afford the freight. If either of those are not so, more education is needed.

    4)Personally, I prefer to still have my hardware available in good working order when I no longer need it, rather than be out of commission temporarily or suffering less than efficient results until it is replaced. That allows that I may hand the system on to a family member, friend or deserving institution that would otherwise be without it.

    5)The 6970 is probably superceded by the 580GTX. Most tests on most benchmarks support this. A few individual titles that favor AMD architecture to the contrary, it would be very hard to posit the 6970 trumps a 580.

    That doesn't mean its cost effective as a solution, in fact with current pricepoints, its anything but cost effective. Bang for the buck clearly lies with the 6970. On this score though, evotuc is quite right that a 6950 or 6970 single GPU would score very well related to a 6990(a dual GPU), and paying double probably wouldn't pencil.

    The S2 Demo is clearly a non-optimized stub of the full release, and neither maker has optimal drivers or profiles to support the release version.

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