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The Ultimate Single Graphics Card Solution to play S2TW with....

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  • DarkSideHomeDarkSideHome Senior Member Posts: 1,549Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    quezcotl wrote: »
    wow, paying 700 dollar for 6 framerates thats even above 60...
    nvm, its your choice man.


    hmm, no. That 6 fps is only for a single monitor solution. An SLI/Xfire or a dual GPU solution comes into play in the following cases:
    1. Multi-Monitor Support
    2. Extreme Resolution and AA
    3. 3D and 3D Surround


    I am a 3D gamer myself and a single card doesn't offer enough VRAM or processing power for a single monitor let alone 3D surround. The 590 will be a beast for anyone looking for any of the 3 cases I've mentioned above, and especially 3D gamers.





    evotuc wrote: »
    "On the positive side, the V8 is better than the stock Intel cooler; unfortunately, the lack of mid-level coolers in this chart does make its true performance unclear. What is clear is the other coolers tested do outclass the V8 and we assume as time goes on the V8 will stay in the mid point end of the spectrum. Not exactly bad, but not exactly in the same league as the V10 or even the much less expensive Vendetta 2."


    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/17444-cooler-master-v8-cpu-cooler-review-9.html


    Another reason for the shopaholic program. I make uneducated (read: stupid) guesses when I'm shopping for PC parts :D








    3)Cato rate expected and target voltage level to achieve at least specified frequency will deteriorate over time with increased heat and increased voltage. This is statistically a fact, not an opinion. While heat can be effectively counter-weighted, voltage cannot. Ergo, wise overclocking involves as good a cooling solution as you can reasonably manage, and tries to avoid overvolting where possible. Where it is not possible to achieve stability without overvolting, we try as little over as possible. Depending on your platform and components, overclocking involves stressing more than just your CPU. To OC for the sake of doing it is fine so long as you understand the game and can afford the freight. If either of those are not so, more education is needed.


    Quick question: During my tinkering yesterday I've noticed one thing: Whether the CPU is running at 3.06 (stock) or 3.6 (Turbo boost) or 3.8 (Gigabyte Twin Turbo mode OC'ing), the voltage is always the same. Does that mean if I solve the temperature problem and get it to around 50~55 on full load, then the CPU life would be similar to a CPU running on stock frequency and voltage?


    And since you are in a good OC'ing mood (And we've already taken this thread waaaaaay off topic), I have done a stupid mistake yesterday and I couldn't fix it. By mistake I disabled power saving mode (so the CPU is always running in Intel Turbo Mode) and although I went to BIOS and enabled it again, it is still ON all the time. Any idea how to fix this?


    PS: If you don't know the answer at the top of your head, don't google for an answer. I prefer to do that myself thankyouverymuch :D I need to learn how to fix my own mess.
  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited March 2011
    Good heavens, what makes you think I don't Google ALL my answers?? LOL ;)

    Pretty much if you are running mild OCs with no overvolting, and you are able to keep temps low, you are not taking the unit out of spec levels and should (statistically) expect spec'd life expectancy for target volt/frequency and cato rates. Haven't I ever showed you that Intel interpolation chart?

    Er... You turned it off in Bios? And it still shows as not enabled when you return to Bios, or it shows and retains the change but your monitor programs indicate it is not working?
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  • DarkSideHomeDarkSideHome Senior Member Posts: 1,549Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    I turned it off using TuneUp utilities (a program that does several system maintenance including optimizations. I selected Maximum performance and it did something that kept the frequency at 3.6Ghz), and turned it on back in the BIOS. Not sure what else is there to check.


    The frequency readings are from the system and CoreTemp
  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited March 2011
    Mmm, sounds like you have to do something in your settings in that program that turned it off as it appears to be trumping the Bios (dunno if I like that! Read: Al doesn't like them NewFangled DOODADS Dagnnnnnabit!). You have to turn off speedstep to make overclocking work in an Intel, bossman. If that utility turned it off with a setting level, probably to turn it back on you would have to reverse the settings. Is that an MSI board?
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  • DarkSideHomeDarkSideHome Senior Member Posts: 1,549Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Gigabyte. I am at work right now, I'll have to check it when I'm back home.
  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited March 2011
    Let me know? Thanks!
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  • evotucevotuc Senior Member Posts: 983Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Dark Side wrote: »
    Another reason for the shopaholic program. I make uneducated (read: stupid) guesses when I'm shopping for PC parts :D


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  • maff87maff87 Senior Member Posts: 374Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    The Don wrote: »

    So it is actually worse than a single GTX 580. Brilliant!
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  • DarkSideHomeDarkSideHome Senior Member Posts: 1,549Registered Users
    edited March 2011
  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Dark Side wrote: »
    Card is out and ready for orders: Prices range from 710$ to 740$ on tigerdirect


    Tom's Hardware review is out too. Let's see how Nvidia will respond.

    Thats crazy I have already organised one from a supplier for (converted) around $500, downside is its only coming in 1st of April 2011, If S2TW does get decent SLI until then I might get a GTX590, but it does not look too promising since CA promote AMD/ATI GPU's in game.
    So it is actually worse than a single GTX 580. Brilliant!

    I dont know why some TW games struggle with SLI, NTW is fine but ETW and looks like S2TW are not.
    Overall in most games SLI is a better choice then Xfire(but ATI are improving their drivers)
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  • The DonThe Don Senior Member Posts: 218Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    Dark Side wrote: »
    He started this topic coz the 6990/590 is the best thing that happened to gaming since the commercialism of Multicore CPUs.


    If the 590 retails at ~750$ and only needs 2x8 pins I might get it or else I'll go with 570 2-way SLI


    @The Don: Hey, I have the CoolMaster V8, what's your temps like at full load? I'm running a 950 @ 3.7 and it runs at around 70 degrees on full load and @ 40 degrees on idle

    Thanks bro and they think i am sick for buying one of these graphics cards...... they are actually many people out there who are going to buy three too four of these babys for a Tri/Quadfire orgy
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  • IscaranIscaran Tech-Hero. Posts: 4,229Registered Users
    edited March 2011
    So it is actually worse than a single GTX 580. Brilliant!

    No it only shows that a card like this is running in the CPU limit in 1920x1080 without AA and maxed details. Which is around 70fps on the rig in the benchmark ^^.
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  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited March 2011
    That comment is referencing the Demo benchmark in the Heaven's review. Apparently with the same rig the single 580 surpassed it at maximum, minimum and average.

    That said, as a benchmark, the Demo is not particularly useful -and those numbers help to show that.
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