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Do only humans live in the empire?

matthiasssmatthiasss Registered Users Posts: 18
Of course not, but the grand campaign feels like you were controlling an only human faction and taking over other areas, feels like commiting genocide to the population there.
I think it would be cool, if a mechanic could be integrated, which shows you the population size of other races in the province you're controlling and gives you bonuses and negative effects based on that size.

Especially, for the new game I would like this mechanic.

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  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    edited April 2017
    Dwarfs, Halflings, i think maybe a few Elfs.. then of course the Beastmen and Greenskins living in the forests... maybe a few "undercover" Vampires
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Webby2020Webby2020 Registered Users Posts: 15

    Of course not, but the grand campaign feels like you were controlling an only human faction and taking over other areas, feels like commiting genocide to the population there.
    I think it would be cool, if a mechanic could be integrated, which shows you the population size of other races in the province you're controlling and gives you bonuses and negative effects based on that size.

    Especially, for the new game I would like this mechanic.

    Actually, genocide is pretty close to the actuality. Other races would largely be eradicated, or at best enslaved by whoever conquered them.

    In the empire specifically you have halflings, some Dwarves and a few ogres. Maybe, very rarely an elf. That's about it. It's not like the bloodbowl setting
  • DraxynnicDraxynnic Registered Users Posts: 11,023
    As 'sanctioned' residents... halflings, dwarfs, a few ogres, and Elven quarters in port cities.

    Unsanctioned... the forests are full of Beastmen, greenskin tribes (especially Forest Goblins) and other nasties, and don't believe those stories about ratman beneath the cities, they don't exist.

    It could be interesting to have a mechanic representing just what the actual mix of the population is, including a mechanic for attempting to wipe out a population of a particular race (which basically immediately spawns a rebel stack of that race). Some populations might be beneficial to be present, while others might inflict penalties on the province if the population gets too high: for instance, under normal diplomatic circumstances, an Empire player might be sanguine about Elves, Dwarfs and Halflings, but would want to keep greenskins and Beastmen under control. On the other hand, an Empire player that went to war with the Dwarfs or High Elves might find that Dwarf or Elven populations in their provinces, respectively, start becoming handicaps (or outright leave).
  • Wargol5Wargol5 Registered Users Posts: 1,441
    I think the Empire was much more mixed than today in the earlier edition.
    Now, there is like, 95% of humans in the Empire (outside The Moot).
  • wingren013wingren013 Registered Users Posts: 1,076
    edited April 2017
    No Dwarfs, Elves, Halflings, and Ogres all live in the Empire alongside Humans. Although the Halflings are mostly found in the Moot, Ogres in Ostland, and Elves in Nordland and the Westerlands(Marienburg). And most Imperial Dwarfs actually live in independent holds within human lands, like under Middenheim or in the Gray Mountains.

    Humans vastly outnumber all of them though.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    edited April 2017

    No Dwarfs, Elves, Halflings, and Ogres all live in the Empire alongside Humans. Although the Halflings are mostly found in the Moot, Ogres in Ostland, and Elves in Nordland and the Westerlands(Marienburg). And most Imperial Dwarfs actually live in independent holds within human lands, like under Middenheim or in the Gray Mountains.

    Humans vastly outnumber all of them though.

    of course dwarfs also work in the Imperial Gunnery School in Nuln iirc and Übersreik also has a "miniature dwarfhold" built below it
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,586
    edited April 2017
    Most large cities are going to have small enclaves of Dwarfs, Elves, and Halflings.

    Most Dwarfs are going to be Imperial Dwarfs. They are normally exiles from the Karaks and clans that go down into the Empire seeking employment in various engineering, gunnery, masonry, and machinery guilds. Others are of Karaz Ankor proper, and serve as diplomats and traders between them and the Empire. Of all the non-humans, they'd probably be the most commonly seen and most populous, not counting the Halflings as an obvious exception. The Dwarfs are seen by the Empire as honorary citizens for their efforts with Sigmar when the Empire was established, and so Dwarfs, both Imperial and of the Mountains, can move seamlessly throughout the Empire with not as much prejudice or restriction as is for Elves and even Halflings, despite the latter being actual citizens.

    Practically all Elves living in the Empire are resident aliens from Ulthuan. They are liaisons between their kingdoms and the Empire serving as magi, advisers, traders, artisans, and diplomats to wealthy human guilds and noble courts, sans the odd Shadow Warrior agent seeking out Druchii infiltrators. This is not done out of goodwill and welfare, but as a means for the Phoenix King to keep a tab on current events; basically spying on Imperial markets and politics to know when they can push and ask for what they expect. For the most part, they keep to their individual quarters or embassy within the city, though there are larger districts at port cities, and normally rule and handle themselves apart from the Imperial politics they keep an eye. Then there are a small number of High Elves working as mercenaries, either because they've been exiled from Ulthuan, or are trying to reclaim some lost glory or treasure in the Old World when it was under Elven control. A few, rare few, of Wood Elves make a living in human cities after being exiled from Athel Loren for some grievous crime.

    Halflings almost all live in the Moot, the Empire's breadbasket, but a handful are known to be employed in the kitchens of the finest noble houses and inns for their cooking and gardening skills, or they work as criminals in the underworld for their natural skill and thieving and swindling. They're more or less make up the rural or urban underclass, so a few can pretty much be found anywhere with enough fertile land or large enough of a black market.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    "Halflings almost all live in the Moot, the Empire's breadbasket, but a handful are known to be employed in the kitchens of the finest noble houses and inns for their cooking and gardening skills, or they work as criminals in the underworld for their natural skill and thieving and swindling. They're more or less make up the rural or urban underclass, so a few can pretty much be found anywhere with enough fertile land or large enough of a black market. "
    There for example is a halfling black market merchant in Grey Seer
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • ZerglesZergles Member Registered Users Posts: 3,014
    Skaven live in the Empire too. Nobody knows about it though.
  • PLHenryPLHenry Registered Users Posts: 1,676
    There are wood elves in Laurelorn Forest and in the Färlic Hills; Laurelorn is technically in Nordland and the two are sometimes at odds, sometimes have a watchful peace, while Färlic Hills is only a small community. There are elves that travel through the Empire, such as Aenur, but they aren't very common. In Marienburg the High Elves of Ulthuan have their only known trading 'colony' that is part of the city, though they prefer to be kept separate.

    Halflings are extremely common in The Moot, and are found in other areas such as Middenheim and Altdorf, though they are sometimes in the military too as cooks and scavengers.

    There are quite sizeable populations of dwarfs in Altdorf, Nuln, Middenheim and a few other places.

    Ogres are tolerated as mercenaries and little else, though they do have something of a kinship with halflings who are gluttons much as they are.

    There are some very rare other cases, such as Genevieve (<3) who is a vampire of the lahmian bloodline who is tolerated and regarded as something of a hero in the Empire because she helped save Karl Franz & family from being killed by Drachenfels.
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