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The "Data-mined" DLC Faction List Analysed

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  • SilferSilfer Registered Users Posts: 427
    Jotunheim said:

    first of all great post



    The Race Packs!

    The Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarfs and Ogre Kingdoms will likely all require the map to be expanded. This meshes well with the leaked map from the game that seemed to show what the entire map will look like at the end of the trilogy. It's possible that we may not see Araby at all, given that it's missing, but I think it's more likely that DLC this far out was not planned out solidly enough to list all of the minor factions they may or may not include.

    In the case of map extensions, I could see CA releasing the map extensions as FLC with limited versions of the new races' rosters as AI opponents, but it's just as likely that they'll be part of the paid DLC as well.

    wh_dlc08_tmb_tomb_kings
    wh_dlc10_ska_skaven
    wh_dlc13_chd_chaos_dwarfs
    wh_dlc15_ogr_ogre_kingdoms

    I really want to know if those dlc will be for the first game or for the others ( skaven could be for the 2nd but the others??)

    The Datamine is 100% outdated, it was just correct when they were working on it(wood elves and game 2 at same time). Skaven will be the 4th base race for game 2 and Tomb Kings DLC race the others will come with Deamons of Chaos in game 3
  • JotunheimJotunheim Registered Users Posts: 71
    Ah good thanks a lot!
  • gatormarinediazgatormarinediaz Member Registered Users Posts: 416
    Silfer said:

    Jotunheim said:

    first of all great post



    The Race Packs!

    The Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarfs and Ogre Kingdoms will likely all require the map to be expanded. This meshes well with the leaked map from the game that seemed to show what the entire map will look like at the end of the trilogy. It's possible that we may not see Araby at all, given that it's missing, but I think it's more likely that DLC this far out was not planned out solidly enough to list all of the minor factions they may or may not include.

    In the case of map extensions, I could see CA releasing the map extensions as FLC with limited versions of the new races' rosters as AI opponents, but it's just as likely that they'll be part of the paid DLC as well.

    wh_dlc08_tmb_tomb_kings
    wh_dlc10_ska_skaven
    wh_dlc13_chd_chaos_dwarfs
    wh_dlc15_ogr_ogre_kingdoms

    I really want to know if those dlc will be for the first game or for the others ( skaven could be for the 2nd but the others??)

    The Datamine is 100% outdated, it was just correct when they were working on it(wood elves and game 2 at same time). Skaven will be the 4th base race for game 2 and Tomb Kings DLC race the others will come with Deamons of Chaos in game 3
    Outdated, yes, but it was also completely accurate up until the end of game 1. Given the detail in the content, we could tell that the Wood Elves and Beastmen would both come with campaign packs and we could even tell what factions would be in their mini-campaigns. We were even able to predict the theme of the "Eye for an Eye" campaign. Beyond that point the listed DLCs didn't give enough information to be sure of them, especially given that the information was known to be outdated.

    HOWEVER, what we can still say is that all of the listed DLC races will come at some point. I highly doubt that any race which CA planned to include would have later been cut when their plans expanded. The fact of the matter is we simply don't know what game 3 will be, nor do we know how the last 5 races will be included. It's a solid bet though that Skaven will be in game 2 (based on the rat in the trailer particularly).
  • SilferSilfer Registered Users Posts: 427

    Silfer said:

    Jotunheim said:

    first of all great post



    The Race Packs!

    The Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarfs and Ogre Kingdoms will likely all require the map to be expanded. This meshes well with the leaked map from the game that seemed to show what the entire map will look like at the end of the trilogy. It's possible that we may not see Araby at all, given that it's missing, but I think it's more likely that DLC this far out was not planned out solidly enough to list all of the minor factions they may or may not include.

    In the case of map extensions, I could see CA releasing the map extensions as FLC with limited versions of the new races' rosters as AI opponents, but it's just as likely that they'll be part of the paid DLC as well.

    wh_dlc08_tmb_tomb_kings
    wh_dlc10_ska_skaven
    wh_dlc13_chd_chaos_dwarfs
    wh_dlc15_ogr_ogre_kingdoms

    I really want to know if those dlc will be for the first game or for the others ( skaven could be for the 2nd but the others??)

    The Datamine is 100% outdated, it was just correct when they were working on it(wood elves and game 2 at same time). Skaven will be the 4th base race for game 2 and Tomb Kings DLC race the others will come with Deamons of Chaos in game 3
    Outdated, yes, but it was also completely accurate up until the end of game 1. Given the detail in the content, we could tell that the Wood Elves and Beastmen would both come with campaign packs and we could even tell what factions would be in their mini-campaigns. We were even able to predict the theme of the "Eye for an Eye" campaign. Beyond that point the listed DLCs didn't give enough information to be sure of them, especially given that the information was known to be outdated.

    HOWEVER, what we can still say is that all of the listed DLC races will come at some point. I highly doubt that any race which CA planned to include would have later been cut when their plans expanded. The fact of the matter is we simply don't know what game 3 will be, nor do we know how the last 5 races will be included. It's a solid bet though that Skaven will be in game 2 (based on the rat in the trailer particularly).
    We know that they plan to add 4 base races and that tomb kings will be a DLC since ALL games will be stand alone'ish, so we have Chaos Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms and Deamons of Chaos (we already have a lord for DoC yes yes the old crow guy Sarthorael that is a Tzeentch follower not undivided so not WoC =) ) and they plan to release 4 base races for all games and DoC(all 4 gods) are ONE major race like we have a major race and minor factions for this race, my bet is that they will expand east but we cant confirm nothing at all.
  • Horus168Horus168 Registered Users Posts: 578
    Silfer said:

    Jotunheim said:

    first of all great post



    The Race Packs!

    The Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarfs and Ogre Kingdoms will likely all require the map to be expanded. This meshes well with the leaked map from the game that seemed to show what the entire map will look like at the end of the trilogy. It's possible that we may not see Araby at all, given that it's missing, but I think it's more likely that DLC this far out was not planned out solidly enough to list all of the minor factions they may or may not include.

    In the case of map extensions, I could see CA releasing the map extensions as FLC with limited versions of the new races' rosters as AI opponents, but it's just as likely that they'll be part of the paid DLC as well.

    wh_dlc08_tmb_tomb_kings
    wh_dlc10_ska_skaven
    wh_dlc13_chd_chaos_dwarfs
    wh_dlc15_ogr_ogre_kingdoms

    I really want to know if those dlc will be for the first game or for the others ( skaven could be for the 2nd but the others??)

    The Datamine is 100% outdated, it was just correct when they were working on it(wood elves and game 2 at same time). Skaven will be the 4th base race for game 2 and Tomb Kings DLC race the others will come with Deamons of Chaos in game 3
    I'm not sure how you can say that with certainty.

    Its still not confirmed if OK and chaos dwarves will be in game 3 or released as dlc for mega-map/game 1....
  • SilferSilfer Registered Users Posts: 427
    Horus168 said:

    Silfer said:

    Jotunheim said:

    first of all great post



    The Race Packs!

    The Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarfs and Ogre Kingdoms will likely all require the map to be expanded. This meshes well with the leaked map from the game that seemed to show what the entire map will look like at the end of the trilogy. It's possible that we may not see Araby at all, given that it's missing, but I think it's more likely that DLC this far out was not planned out solidly enough to list all of the minor factions they may or may not include.

    In the case of map extensions, I could see CA releasing the map extensions as FLC with limited versions of the new races' rosters as AI opponents, but it's just as likely that they'll be part of the paid DLC as well.

    wh_dlc08_tmb_tomb_kings
    wh_dlc10_ska_skaven
    wh_dlc13_chd_chaos_dwarfs
    wh_dlc15_ogr_ogre_kingdoms

    I really want to know if those dlc will be for the first game or for the others ( skaven could be for the 2nd but the others??)

    The Datamine is 100% outdated, it was just correct when they were working on it(wood elves and game 2 at same time). Skaven will be the 4th base race for game 2 and Tomb Kings DLC race the others will come with Deamons of Chaos in game 3
    I'm not sure how you can say that with certainty.

    Its still not confirmed if OK and chaos dwarves will be in game 3 or released as dlc for mega-map/game 1....
    they want release 4 base race in each game at start and nurgle, korne, etc are just 1 faction(DoC) they are different but are JUST DoC, we don't know how big CA are thinking now, but i guess that they NOW(after datamine) are ambitious( and they will earn money with that ). You can disagree but it would be cool see a The Great Bastion campaign, they could show us what happened in the other side of the world in the chaos great invasion (kathay fought against Chaos(north of the great bastion that was destroyed), chaos dwarfs(west) and skaven.
  • thedudeguythedudeguy Registered Users Posts: 287
    People sure do love calling the datamine 'outdated' despite the fact that it's been pretty accurate so far. Generally that's a sign you've never worked on or with a team doing large software development. Plans like that don't change overnight. It makes sense that the plans get changed before teams get allocated to a project, so I wouldn't be surprised if the datamine for game 1 no longer matched the plan for game 2, but by the time game 1 launched they certainly already had most of the work for the Beastmen DLC done and were moving on to do work on the Lord packs and the WE DLC.
  • gatormarinediazgatormarinediaz Member Registered Users Posts: 416

    People sure do love calling the datamine 'outdated' despite the fact that it's been pretty accurate so far. Generally that's a sign you've never worked on or with a team doing large software development. Plans like that don't change overnight. It makes sense that the plans get changed before teams get allocated to a project, so I wouldn't be surprised if the datamine for game 1 no longer matched the plan for game 2, but by the time game 1 launched they certainly already had most of the work for the Beastmen DLC done and were moving on to do work on the Lord packs and the WE DLC.

    Well, yeah.

    Back when this was still a hot debate, people like myself were basically saying just that. Everything after the Wood Elf DLC was somewhat up in the air, but everything earlier (including the WE DLC) was almost certain to be accurate. And of course, it was all accurate. I was pretty sure game 2 was going to look pretty close to what the datamine suggested (as in it would be New World + Ulthuan and would include HE, DE, and Lizardmen), as were many others, and it this is still pretty accurate. The only question is what they're going to do with Skaven and Tomb Kings given the announcement that the Southlands will be included.
  • DraxynnicDraxynnic Registered Users Posts: 10,990
    I don't think anybody thought that the plans being 'outdated' meant that they were throwing everything out and starting from scratch. Obviously, the stuff that was already being worked on was going to get done according to, or close to, the original schedule, and the earlier something was on the schedule, the more likely it was to keep to the original plan.

    The plan got kept, more or less, up until now. However, TWW2 shows the first deviation from the datamine. What was originally going to be three races is going to be four - the safe money being on the fourth being Skaven. So there's a deviation... a relatively minor one, but a deviation nonetheless.

    Now, TWW2 was probably something they were already working on before the plans changed. It wasn't going to suddenly change from being HE, DE and Lizardmen to a Dark Lands & Tomb Kings release, as much as some people would have liked that. TWW3 and post-TWW2 DLCs, however... I doubt any of those were much beyond the brainstorming phase when the plan in the datamine was made. For those, I think all bets are off.
  • blaatblaat Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,155
    edited April 2017
    unless CA in TWWH2 includes a new datamine for us :p

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  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 11,989
    CA themselves have called it outdated, the day it was found.

    Thou the real change we only start to see now.
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  • CanuoveaCanuovea Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 15,691
    The Datamine wasn't completely perfect, as they shifted some things around a bit, but it has remained fairly accurate to this point.
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  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 11,989
    Canuovea said:

    The Datamine wasn't completely perfect, as they shifted some things around a bit, but it has remained fairly accurate to this point.

    Thou funny enough those DLc that were shifted had still the numbers they had in the datamine, despite the different order of them.
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  • CanuoveaCanuovea Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 15,691
    SiWI said:

    Canuovea said:

    The Datamine wasn't completely perfect, as they shifted some things around a bit, but it has remained fairly accurate to this point.

    Thou funny enough those DLc that were shifted had still the numbers they had in the datamine, despite the different order of them.
    Didn't know that. Neat.
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  • gatormarinediazgatormarinediaz Member Registered Users Posts: 416
    SiWI said:

    Canuovea said:

    The Datamine wasn't completely perfect, as they shifted some things around a bit, but it has remained fairly accurate to this point.

    Thou funny enough those DLc that were shifted had still the numbers they had in the datamine, despite the different order of them.
    I think it was due to last minute changes. The only one I'm aware of being switched was the WE campaign and the one that was meant to come after. I would think that part of the reason it came out later was due to the outcry over the Beastmen pack and a choice to add / develop the WEs further before releasing it.
  • TheGhostOfProman16TheGhostOfProman16 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,749
    I don't think this list can have much relevance anymore it's just CA's original plan at this point Skaven is looking like the 4th race for Warhammer 2 and will probably be a FLC race for game 1 (I Hope) Tomb Kings will probably be the 1st major DLC after game 2 comes out assuming Daemons of Chaos is the pre order bonus. The rest of the list DLC races will be Game 3 possibly as core races
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  • Horus168Horus168 Registered Users Posts: 578
    I reckon this gives tomb kings a good chance of still being the next wh1 dlc race, out before game 2.
  • theedge634theedge634 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,222

    I don't think this list can have much relevance anymore it's just CA's original plan at this point Skaven is looking like the 4th race for Warhammer 2 and will probably be a FLC race for game 1 (I Hope) Tomb Kings will probably be the 1st major DLC after game 2 comes out assuming Daemons of Chaos is the pre order bonus. The rest of the list DLC races will be Game 3 possibly as core races

    A lot of this is highly doubtful. Tomb Kings as DLC for game 2.. quite possibly.. Skaven as FLC for game 1... doubtful. Daemons of Chaos as pre-order DLC... close to zero chance.

    - Wood Elves
    - High Elves
    - Dark Elves
    - The Empire
    - Beastmen
    - Dwarfs
    - Brettonia
    - Skaven
    - Tomb Kings
    - Vampire Counts
    - Greenskins
    - Lizardmen
    - DLC Race (TEB or maybe Norsca)
    - Daemons of Chaos
    - Warriors of Chaos

    What's left?
    - Chaos Dwarfs
    - Ogre Kingdoms
    - Kislev?

    That's a ridiculously weak lineup for game 3.
  • PLHenryPLHenry Registered Users Posts: 1,649
    Don't be surprised if we see more non-codex factions getting race packs. With how successful the series has been so far, and if TWW2 surpasses it somehow, then we're going to see a lot more content.
  • Red_DoxRed_Dox Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,825
    PaulH said:

    Don't be surprised if we see more non-codex factions getting race packs. With how successful the series has been so far, and if TWW2 surpasses it somehow, then we're going to see a lot more content.

    I would not mind a fourth game with Nippon, Ind and Cathay ;)

    -----Red Dox
  • PLHenryPLHenry Registered Users Posts: 1,649
    Red_Dox said:

    PaulH said:

    Don't be surprised if we see more non-codex factions getting race packs. With how successful the series has been so far, and if TWW2 surpasses it somehow, then we're going to see a lot more content.

    I would not mind a fourth game with Nippon, Ind and Cathay ;)

    -----Red Dox
    That'd be cool :D

    I'd like to see a campaign expansion that deals with the Dark Shadows world event, by adding Albion, druids, truthsayers, dark emissaries, giants, fimir in the marshes, all that kind of stuff. Not as a full game, but a self-contained campaign.
  • hendo’hendo’ Registered Users Posts: 2,976
    I wonder if there will be another "data mined" list from TWW2. Or do you think CA will cover its tracks?
  • Ol_NessieOl_Nessie Registered Users Posts: 4,310
    hendo1592 said:

    I wonder if there will be another "data mined" list from TWW2. Or do you think CA will cover its tracks?

    I think they're now addicted to the hype it generated, so maybe not :D
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