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Tomb Kings Update Patch Notes and Reworking Bretonnia

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  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    Also , the stegadon has a bonus vs infantry. the hydra has no bonus whatsoever , and their breaths are very underwhelming
  • BrakierBrakier Posts: 1,522Registered Users
    Ive had a bit of a break from playing, just started again and i must say you done an awesome job on bretonnia! <3

  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    STAR DRAGONS need a Buff . either bonus vs large , or bonus vs infantry. all the less costly monsters have this kind of bonus

    i mean , in all fantasy lore of the warhammer , when it is spoken about star dragon ,it keeps up saying how strong they are , and in game , they're not.


    for example the Necrosphinx -2000 gold - bonus vs large
    kitty sphinx -1800 gold - bonus vs infantry
    scorpion -1000 gold - bonus vs infantry
    Stegadon- 1250 gold -2000 gold -regarding how ancient they are , all of them have bonus vs infantry
    Carnosaur- 1600 gold - beats a 2400 gold star dragon - NOT FUN
    Shaggoth- 2000 gold - beats 2400 gold star dragon , guess why , BECAUSE IT HAS BONUS VS LARGE.
    scar vet on carnosaur - 1900 gold - beats star dragon- because ofc , bonus vs large.


    just give them bonus vs either infantry or bonus vs large.

    all the large monsters except the dragons have bonuses , and they all shine.

  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Posts: 10,051Registered Users
    I've never had an issue with star dragons feeling weak.
    "As a sandbox game everyone, without exception, should be able to play the game exactly as they see fit and that means providing the maximum scope possible." - ~UNiOnJaCk~
  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    play them more often :) you will get what i'm saying
  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 20,727Registered Users

    play them more often :) you will get what i'm saying

    They are fine. Wanting HE to be OP has long been an agenda by the Elf-pushers.

  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    well , if Wood Elves can be OVERPOWERED , why wouldn't HE get some love ?
    or dark elves for that matter.
    no worries , nothing will beat how BROKEN AND over the top TIER ZERO TOMB KINGS ARE
  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 20,727Registered Users

    well , if Wood Elves can be OVERPOWERED , why wouldn't HE get some love ?
    or dark elves for that matter.
    no worries , nothing will beat how BROKEN AND over the top TIER ZERO TOMB KINGS ARE

    The solution is not to make Elves OP, the solution is to nerf the TK.

  • GoatforceGoatforce Posts: 3,102Registered Users
    Dragons are a "multi-purpose" unit, they cost more than stuff like necro's because they are more flexible. They have a breath weapon, which can be devastating, they can fly - making them more manouverable than the other units - and they still have the power to go toe-to-toe against dedicated elite monster killers.

    Saying they should just stomp carnosaurs, necros etc just because they are more expensive is like saying dragon princes should beat Chaos Warriors with Halberds, as they are twice the price. Carnos and the others like them are specialist units (albiet ones powerful enough to hold their own in most circumstances) whereas dragons aren't.
  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    well , they could make each one of them a specialist .

    sun dragon - anti infantry only
    moon dragon- anti something
    star dragon anti large only
  • GoatforceGoatforce Posts: 3,102Registered Users

    well , they could make each one of them a specialist .

    sun dragon - anti infantry only
    moon dragon- anti something
    star dragon anti large only

    They already do to an extent. Sun dragons are excellent against massed low armour infantry, whilst star dragons are better against elites.

    And why do that when none of the other dragons in the game are specialised? Dragons are meant to be a high tier "jack of all trades" unit, which will be good at virtually anything but lose to units entirely dedicated to killing large units. Even then dragons can do fairly well against monster killers, a star dragon could take a necrosphynx if supported properly.
  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    a star dragon might take on a necrosphinx , if he would be supported by the DE roster , lol
  • GoatforceGoatforce Posts: 3,102Registered Users
    edited March 2018

    a star dragon might take on a necrosphinx , if he would be supported by the DE roster , lol

    I've seen games where a Star Dragon 1v1 a Necro, it's rare but can happen (Edit, and no matter what a SD will do massive damage to a Necro), a dragon supported by regrowth, perhaps with a unit of PG or spears to soak damage could easily beat a necro.
  • CanuoveaCanuovea Posts: 13,130Registered Users, Moderators
    And if the Star Dragon just sits there in the air and hits the Necro with its breath...
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  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    Canuovea said:

    And if the Star Dragon just sits there in the air and hits the Necro with its breath...

    if the necro just sits still , and all 3 breaths hit , it would only do 2000 dmg . that's how bad the breaths got to be
  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 20,727Registered Users

    Canuovea said:

    And if the Star Dragon just sits there in the air and hits the Necro with its breath...

    if the necro just sits still , and all 3 breaths hit , it would only do 2000 dmg . that's how bad the breaths got to be
    2000 damage at no cost, how "bad". Why, let's make it a point&click damage ability so all the entitled Elf fanatics can have their fun.

  • GoatforceGoatforce Posts: 3,102Registered Users

    Canuovea said:

    And if the Star Dragon just sits there in the air and hits the Necro with its breath...

    if the necro just sits still , and all 3 breaths hit , it would only do 2000 dmg . that's how bad the breaths got to be
    Well, if you don't like its performance vs necro, you can always send dragon to hit other targets and use actual anti-large units to deal with necro?
  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    edited April 2018
    Goatforce said:

    Canuovea said:

    And if the Star Dragon just sits there in the air and hits the Necro with its breath...

    if the necro just sits still , and all 3 breaths hit , it would only do 2000 dmg . that's how bad the breaths got to be
    Well, if you don't like its performance vs necro, you can always send dragon to hit other targets and use actual anti-large units to deal with necro?
    you are right about that , but you forgot that they usually bring ushabty great bows , and a huge amount of fodder to keep your elite anty large fighting stupid units :) , and when you dare bring a dragon , your army is pretty small
  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users

    Canuovea said:

    And if the Star Dragon just sits there in the air and hits the Necro with its breath...

    if the necro just sits still , and all 3 breaths hit , it would only do 2000 dmg . that's how bad the breaths got to be
    2000 damage at no cost, how "bad". Why, let's make it a point&click damage ability so all the entitled Elf fanatics can have their fun.
    at no cost ?

    it costs more than any other monster !!! it's 2400 , and it's 90% more likely they will dodge it , than it would actually hit
  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    perhaps you're playing vs AI , or you would probably understand why the breath doesn't perform in competitive matches / tourneys
  • GoatforceGoatforce Posts: 3,102Registered Users
    Well, using breath against a high mass, fast, unit that isn't tied down is a rather bad idea. if it is running somewhere there isn't any necessity to dodge, as the dragon will either miss or hit so badly it will do no significant damage. This is as it should be though, breath should not be a point and click damage ability, it should require some skill to use. I have personally used it (and seen it used) to great effect - and yes in MP. When a line is engaged there is very little an opponent can do to dodge if you get in quick enough.

    I would say that perhaps CA went a bit overboard nerfing its ability to damage single entities though, yes at launch it was horrendously op - I think I saw a bray-shaman one-shotted and then a gorebull taken below half health by SD breaths when the devs were marketing ME update - but SD breaths now seem better against elite infantry than single targets, which I had always thought was MD breath role. Perhaps more damage on breath with an even more focussed breath will help... idk
  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users
    they did go overboard.
    and the star dragon breath even if it hits a blob , doesn't do enough damage.
  • hurricane501hurricane501 Senior Member Posts: 1,834Registered Users

    they did go overboard.
    and the star dragon breath even if it hits a blob , doesn't do enough damage.

    Star dragon is fine stop sending it to fight its counters... youre using it like sending cav to fight spearmen :neutral:

    Doesnt ned anti infantry logo it is anti infantry the star dragon will beat any infantry unit in the game and even spear units after breath but sending vrs other monsters is not what its built for specially anti large monsters built to kill things like dragons.... learn the game please ive seen you moaning for like 6 pages and its all just you being bad at the game
  • CanuoveaCanuovea Posts: 13,130Registered Users, Moderators
    I think the Star Dragon should be anti-monster.
    Sun Dragon anti infantry.
    Moon Dragon balanced.

    Problem is, the Star Dragon was just too good at lord sniping.
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  • LighningstrikesLighningstrikes Posts: 154Registered Users

    they did go overboard.
    and the star dragon breath even if it hits a blob , doesn't do enough damage.

    Star dragon is fine stop sending it to fight its counters... youre using it like sending cav to fight spearmen :neutral:

    Doesnt ned anti infantry logo it is anti infantry the star dragon will beat any infantry unit in the game and even spear units after breath but sending vrs other monsters is not what its built for specially anti large monsters built to kill things like dragons.... learn the game please ive seen you moaning for like 6 pages and its all just you being bad at the game
    i'm pretty sure i'm better than you in game , and i do find star dragon weak for it's cost . it's my opinion , and you won't change that.

    live with it
  • ReeksReeks Posts: 1,937Registered Users

    they did go overboard.
    and the star dragon breath even if it hits a blob , doesn't do enough damage.

    Star dragon is fine stop sending it to fight its counters... youre using it like sending cav to fight spearmen :neutral:

    Doesnt ned anti infantry logo it is anti infantry the star dragon will beat any infantry unit in the game and even spear units after breath but sending vrs other monsters is not what its built for specially anti large monsters built to kill things like dragons.... learn the game please ive seen you moaning for like 6 pages and its all just you being bad at the game
    i'm pretty sure i'm better than you in game , and i do find star dragon weak for it's cost . it's my opinion , and you won't change that.

    live with it
    At least stop comparing it with ground monsters, that's just silly.
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