I have to say that I am quite unhappy with what I'm seeing with these legendary lords. I cannot believe that CA would prioritize adding 2 female LL's over lore and logic. Vangheist and Skretch would have made MUCH better LL's than these two. I'm all for female LL's so don't get me wrong. But I think we should prioritize differently. Saltespite is cool and all, but she isn't undead and should not really be commanding undead pirates. Her crew is living.... And Charlotta Jacoba is very obscure and I'm pretty sure she isn't a pirate. Skretch and Vangheist would have been awesome because they're unique AF, have cool arse ships/crews, and are both in dreadfleet. It would have been perfect!
Even if I'm wrong about it being Charlotta Jacoba, the point is that it is clearly either a very obscure character or a completely new character. Either way, skretch and vangheist made a lot more sense from a lore perspective. Having female LL's is great when it fits and makes sense (e.g., Isabella, Alarielle, Khalida). But giving us female LL's simply for the sake of having more female LL's is not right. It is almost patronizing.
CA had better give us a good reason (lore-wise) for why they added Saltespite even though she should be commanding living armies and why they are giving us this relatively unknown character.
While I'm at it though.... "death shriek terrorgheist"???? Is that CA's way of trying to market the same old terrorgheist as something new and unique? We saw the trailer and clearly it is the same terrorgheist. Also, ALL terrorgheists have death shriek... Stop trying to fool us. It isn't working. And I think it is really messed up to copy and paste a big monster from one race to another. This is a full on campaign pack and should be of a higher quality. There were other monsters in the lore to choose from so there is no excuse. It was bad enough when CA was on a giant craze and thus we got FOUR reskinned giants, but having the exact same terrorgheist in two different races takes away its uniqueness and is insulting since we are paying twice for the same unit.
I expected more of you CA after seeing how amazingly high quality the Tomb Kings DLC was and after waiting a ridiculous amount of time for this DLC. You promised very high quality DLCs for the long wait times. Although, this DLC clearly has merits, these rough spots really looks bad.
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Her silhouette compared to the others lacks feet and seems to be flaoting
The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!
Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!
Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
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2 · 2LikeAnd while I wouldn't argue Vangheist, I would argue against Skretch.
Skaven have no business being undead, thats a human thing.
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1 · 1LikeIf i did i would have been livid to see one of my favorite LLs leading an enemy faction.
Like Karl Franz for skaven. Or Thorgrim leading greenskins.
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1 · 1LikeThe Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!
Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!
Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
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2 · 2LikeJust not undead Sartosa please.
As for 4th character can't you wait before judging?
The Terrorgheist is pretty much like any other shared unit some races have.
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0 · LikeBut on ascetics alone they don't fit.
Vampires have clear 17th century aesthetics and skaven have NONE of that.
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0 · LikeThe Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!
Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!
Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
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0 · LikeFavourite campaigns: Clan Angrund, Followers of Nagash and the new Huntsmarshall’s Expedition
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0 · Likeeven the most prominent of ZP LL is a pretty much an outsider TT wise, with no Armybook or model in the 8th.
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3 · 3LikeI just want to see those colossus walking around and shooting things with a Vampire Pirate in the crow's nest.
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1 · 1LikeThe Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!
Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!
Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
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0 · LikeNevertheless I will also state I do like certain LL choices, they are not really a priority for me. The priority is interesting unique infantry, cavalry and monsters (or otherwise). For example Araby has no interesting neutral characters, except for two mentioned in Town Scyer #21 (don't know if that is canon or not, but CA might as well make it be). However it is their army units such as the jezzail mounted camels and Royal Djinn that is interesting.
It has always been the soldiers that have been the highlight of total war games, not necessarily the leaders.
Also no idea what a death shriek terrorgheist is, just pretend it is a lustrian breed or something.
I think you are overreacting a little, at the end of the day it does have the same quality and effort as tomb kings. For a lot of vampire coast infantry they definitely needed to do a lot of new animations, zombies holding guns or spears in comparison to the tomb kings infantry and cavalry being reskinned units, and of course a lot of the single-entity monsters have unique animations.
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/228632/new-army-proposal-carnival-of-chaos-i-e-we-have-vampire-pirates-now-here-are-some-nurgle-clowns
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0 · LikeThe DLC name could be "Dreadfleet" and they could add the Pirates they want, Saltspite with human crew, Skretch with skaven crew, Noctilus and Harkon with the unit roster we already saw in the trailer.....Maybe some common units for the 4 LL...who knows.
Same faction mechanism to the 4.......I mean, this skaven lord without the food mechanism of the normal Skaven faction.
These 4 lords or even more in the future, should compite for being the best pirate....like Clan Angrund vs Crooked Moon, vs Clan Mors fighting for K8P...
I believe it would be much easier that way...
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1 · 1LikeSkretch has all the reasons to be with VCoast, he had his own special ship made of a corpse of undead moster with jurry-rigged lightning cannons and bell on top of it. Don't get me started on Vangheist even.
People are shocked because it is plain bad choice by CA and the fact that Ghorst and Tretch has not taught them anything.
Demand more love for Empire, Greenskins and Beastmen! Playable Middenland with Cult of Ulric! Expanded Beastmen roster with Ghorgon and Jabberslythe! Bring back Black Orcs variants and Orc Big Boss heroes!
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0 · LikeSkretch is a skaven which would, to be "logical", demand skaven units. Undead skaven even.
Not only clashes that with the basic design of Vampires in Warhammer, but it makes the ZP which are obscure already, a wierd mix of things that don't fit together.
Also what exactly should have CA learned from Ghorst or Tretch? did it effect sales or reviews in a measurable way? I kinda doubt that.
Vangheits is a different beast and would be perhaps better then what ever LL 4 is, but it is kinda interesting that people kinda base part of they outrage on the non fact that LL4 is female.
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0 · Like(and also a bit outdated at this point)
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