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I cried a thousand times, and every day I die with you Germany...

samathasamatha Posts: 60Registered Users
From the book of grudges...


On the night of July 24, 1943, air raid sirens sounded in
Hamburg for the hundredth time.1 No city the size of this great
German port could hope to escape for long in a major European
war and Hamburg had not. To date, however, the Royal Air Force
raids and the sirens they elicited had been more a trial than terror. With
a population of over one million, Hamburg was a huge northern city
of harbors, canals, lakes, and rivers, and citizens in one part of town
often were oblivious to enemy air raids in another part.While the bombing
attacks proved destructive and caused significant loss of life, they
were no greater, and in many cases far less, than raids on other communities
across Germany. Because of pre-war economic and cultural
ties to Great Britain, many felt that Hamburg, the “most English city
in Germany,” was being spared as a result of this relationship.
And thus, as the population responded dutifully to the wailing sirens
and sought shelter on this mid-summer night in 1943, the first waves
of British bombers appeared overhead. Few below doubted that this raid
would be any different from those of the past. Soon, hundreds of planes
began raining down tons of high explosives on the heart of Hamburg,
blowing to bits schools, churches, hospitals, and homes. The onslaught
increased in fury with each succeeding wave of bombers, building
minute by minute to a fiery, devastating crescendo. Then, the planes
suddenly disappeared, the skies were clear and all was silent again.When
the stunned survivors reemerged from their cellars later that night, they
saw that their once beautiful city was now a smoldering ruin.

The following day, as rescue crews and firefighters from throughout
northern Germany battled the blaze, bombers of the US Army
Air Force appeared over Hamburg.2 As planned, the Americans surprised
not only the emergency workers, but columns of fleeing refugees
as well. During the ensuing massacre, thousands perished.
The next night, RAF bombers returned. In addition to the normal
payload of high explosives, the British sent down tons of phosphorous
bombs to accelerate the fires. The resulting conflagration ignited a “fire
storm.” Hurricane-force winds created by the intense heat and subsequent
updraft uprooted trees, ripped roofs from buildings and sucked
screaming victims back into the inferno. Some who escaped the 150
mph winds in the streets became mired in melting asphalt and quickly
burst into flames. Those who threw themselves into the city’s canals
died of thermal radiation to the lungs, then, as they floated on the
water’s surface, they too ignited. In the center of the holocaust, temperatures
reached 1,500 degrees and when the great mass of flames
joined they rose to a height of three miles.3 The hellish drama below
was not lost on those above.
“As I looked down, it was as if I was looking into what I imagined
to be an active volcano,”said one horrified British crewman.“Our actual
bombing was like putting another shovelful of coal into the furnace.”4
“Those poor bastards!” another airman muttered as he gazed down
in disbelief.5
The attacks against Hamburg continued unabated for another week.
Finally, there was nothing left to destroy. Aptly dubbed by the Allies
“Operation Gomorrah,” the raids had been a cold and calculated
attempt to scorch Hamburg and its people from the face of the earth.
The plan succeeded. With thirteen square miles of total destruction,
with 750,000 homeless, with an estimated 60,000 to 100,000 dead,
mostly women and children, Hamburg, for all intents and purposes,
had ceased to exist. For those who had harbored hopes that the British
and American war against Germany would be waged in a humane

manner and directed solely at the fighting forces, the events at Hamburg
was final and powerful proof that indeed it would not. It was now
clear to all that the Allied air war had become a war of massacre and
unmasked terror.

The obliteration of Hamburg was only the most graphic and egregious
example of a pattern that had been building since 1940. During the
summer of that year, when the struggle for the skies over England
was in progress, an embattled Winston Churchill gave the go-ahead to
a plan that would take the air war to Germany. The architect of the
idea was Arthur Harris, chief of British Bomber Command. Unlike the
“Battle of Britain,” which was a military contest from first to last, it
was Harris’s belief that intense, sustained air strikes against German
population centers could prove decisive. The devastation of ancient
cities and the destruction of priceless art works, coupled with the massive
slaughter and “de-housing” of civilians would, Harris felt, soon
lower German morale on both the home and battle fronts to the point
that utter collapse was inevitable. While countenancing the plan,
Churchill initially vacillated between striking at purely military targets
and aiming at “the man in the street.”
“My dear sir,” protested the prime minister to an advocate of indiscriminate
bombing during the height of the Battle of Britain, “this is a
military and not a civilian war.You and others may desire to kill women
and children. We desire . . . to destroy German military objectives.”6
As with the Morgenthau Plan, however, the mercurial Churchill soon
reversed himself and gave Harris and his scheme the go-ahead. Four
months following the onset of the British bombing campaign, the German
Luftwaffe finally retaliated with raids of its own, notably the ancient
English city of Coventry, where nearly four hundred civilians were killed.7
With the invasion of the Soviet Union the following year, however, much
of Germany’s air arm was diverted for the desperate contest in the



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Comments

  • ArsenicArsenic Posts: 4,351Registered Users
    Well, the British tend not to like it when you bomb their capital city flat.

    They're funny that way.
    "Ours is a world of fleeting glory. But it is glory, nonetheless."
  • Lord_HenkusLord_Henkus Posts: 1,468Registered Users
    No
    How negative I may sound, game is stil 11 out of 10

    Also, please slow down combat!




  • TheChocolateJesusTheChocolateJesus Senior Member Posts: 1,422Registered Users
    Really going all out before the ban, aren't ya?
    It's gotta be a Chocolate Jesus to keep me satisfied.
  • azitraxazitrax Posts: 116Registered Users
    Are you on a quest to be banned?
  • for_bretonniafor_bretonnia Posts: 1,616Registered Users
    uh yeah, nazis were bad, but that doesnt mean that all germans were bad, or that...... whatever enlightened point you're trying to make... I mean WE AGREE. so edgy, so..... I mean, I GUESS that this should be on the table for discussion, but.....no it really shouldnt be on the table for discussion. because this is a video game forum. not your edgy playground.


    I mean maybe everything should be on the table for discussion, but really..... no. i dont liek u i dont liek this thread.
  • Warlord_Lu_BuWarlord_Lu_Bu Posts: 1,924Registered Users
    Wrong place to post such things... but honestly... Churchill was a terrible person, that allowed the deaths of many British people, while he cowered in a bunker, far away from London. Germany sent delegation after delegation asking Britain to stop bombing German territory... and then after enough rejection, Germany began the counter-bombing of England... which Adolf cried about, cause the British Royal Family is German and British people are the a prime piece of the European race.

    Ah well... interesting... but really... there is much injustice and deceit throughout modern history... only the dead can tell us the truth... and still, no one listens to them.
    "I am the punishment of Tengri, if you had not sinned, he would not have sent me against you." - Chenghis Khan Temujin
  • for_bretonniafor_bretonnia Posts: 1,616Registered Users

    Wrong place to post such things... but honestly... Churchill was a terrible person, that allowed the deaths of many British people, while he cowered in a bunker, far away from London. Germany sent delegation after delegation asking Britain to stop bombing German territory... and then after enough rejection, Germany began the counter-bombing of England... which Adolf cried about, cause the British Royal Family is German and British people are the a prime piece of the European race.

    Ah well... interesting... but really... there is much injustice and deceit throughout modern history... only the dead can tell us the truth... and still, no one listens to them.

    no. and idk about churchill or any of the specifics, but really war can largely be viewed as bunch of bureaucrats sending other people's kids away to die.

    so there's a discussion to be had there. and whatever moral high ground the government trumps up can and should be viewed with suspicion. But I really feel like op is being an edgelord just to try to be an edgelord and he isnt even making some well written or original point.... which is ok cause I mean a lot of the stuff I post is stupid as hell too, but im telling u guys rn.... I am aware of this.
  • Ol_NessieOl_Nessie Posts: 2,914Registered Users

    Peace out everyone, I'm done. TWW is now unrecognizable from the original IP and given the content offerings of the past year or so, I don't predict that CA's vision for the future will be all that appealing to me. Every wish or prediction I've made for the past year has been dashed and subverted so I'm pretty much abandoning any notion that the things that I'm hoping for will ever come. It also doesn't help that CA seems to only be granting the wishes of the most insufferably obnoxious players on this forum. So with that said...

  • azitraxazitrax Posts: 116Registered Users
    @dge1 needs to close this one down.
  • PiratePointPiratePoint Posts: 6Registered Users
    edited October 2018
    Why is this subforum plagued with such number of **** trolls and toxicity??
    Mods do something... this guy its been here for less than 10 days, and has been flag 95 times already


    @dge1 @BillyRuffian Clean this mess!!!
  • Warlord_Lu_BuWarlord_Lu_Bu Posts: 1,924Registered Users

    Wrong place to post such things... but honestly... Churchill was a terrible person, that allowed the deaths of many British people, while he cowered in a bunker, far away from London. Germany sent delegation after delegation asking Britain to stop bombing German territory... and then after enough rejection, Germany began the counter-bombing of England... which Adolf cried about, cause the British Royal Family is German and British people are the a prime piece of the European race.

    Ah well... interesting... but really... there is much injustice and deceit throughout modern history... only the dead can tell us the truth... and still, no one listens to them.

    no. and idk about churchill or any of the specifics, but really war can largely be viewed as bunch of bureaucrats sending other people's kids away to die.

    so there's a discussion to be had there. and whatever moral high ground the government trumps up can and should be viewed with suspicion. But I really feel like op is being an edgelord just to try to be an edgelord and he isnt even making some well written or original point.... which is ok cause I mean a lot of the stuff I post is stupid as hell too, but im telling u guys rn.... I am aware of this.
    Oh I do not have a dog in this fight.. I'm just saying that both nations were as terrible to each other... no one is the hero in WW2... even my own people: Mongolia, which joined the Soviet Union in the brutal extermination and Racial Erase of Germany, through extreme mass murder, mass rape and utter destruction and plundering... we are also guilty in this regard.

    None the less, WW2 is something that shouldn't be cried about and hidden away, never to be spoken of... but it should be thoroughly examined, the truths on both sides should be discovered and laid down for the whole world to see... only when mankind understands who brought about this world calamity, then maybe they can stop supporting the new one that is trying to be pushed.
    "I am the punishment of Tengri, if you had not sinned, he would not have sent me against you." - Chenghis Khan Temujin
  • zinsncabszinsncabs Posts: 569Registered Users
    Arsenic said:

    Well, the British tend not to like it when you bomb their capital city flat.

    They're funny that way.

    This. Has kind of an Old Testament eye for an eye kind of feeling to it, doesn’t it?
    TEARS FOR THE SALT GOD !!! MODS FOR THE BUTHURT !!!
  • ArsenicArsenic Posts: 4,351Registered Users
    Do run back to the Daily Stormer and stay there, my dears.

    Maybe the Rome 2 community were fooled, doesn't mean we will be.
    "Ours is a world of fleeting glory. But it is glory, nonetheless."
  • dge1dge1 Moderator Arkansas, USAPosts: 18,362Registered Users, Moderators, Knights
    Recent political references. Thread is closed.
    "The two most common things in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity." - Harlan Ellison
    "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." - Hubert H. Humphrey
    "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
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