Meet Sima Yi

CA_Ella · January 9

Blessed with great intelligence from a young age, Sima Yi is one of China’s greatest strategists. Loyal only to himself, he schemes and plots to outwit Zhuge Liang and pave the way for his own family to usurp the throne and establish a new dynasty.

Warlord_Lu_Bu · January 9

Aha! there he is

Infinite_Maw · January 9

Stop trying to appeal to one type of player with the character reveals.

3982173917524862 · January 9

Is this going to be a total war game with battles or a poster and wallpaper collection game?

Sakotadejan · January 9

So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.

tfwoods3 · January 9

:0 Hell yeah!

Krunch · January 9

Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.

It was always going to be like that. Generally it's usually the people that survive who have notable people working for them.

Thedossboss · January 9

3982173917524862 said:
Is this going to be a total war game with battles or a poster and wallpaper collection game?

In a way, yes. You are going to want to collect these guys for their unique benefits, and so these posters serve as knowledge given now that we will take in-game to determine who to bring over and when

Gotta catch 'em all!

Sakotadejan · January 9

Krunch said:

Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.
It was always going to be like that. Generally it's usually the people that survive who have notable people working for them.

Yeah, but i am wondering are 3 of them goong to start with all of these character under them?

mitthrawnuruodo · January 9

The man who won the War of the Three Kingdoms.

Laindesh · January 9

Krunch said:

Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.
It was always going to be like that. Generally it's usually the people that survive who have notable people working for them.

well, 3 more characters for cao cao. I'd love to see one of them being for Sun Jian (wu had plenty of famous talents too).

Maybe they suprise us and reveal more than initally thought.

Bit hard for Shu though, but Wei Yan maybe or Ma Dai which would also flesh out Liu Biao and Ma Teng.

Despite the "oh so much for cao cao" thought, Sima Yi was pretty much a must.

Turbster · January 9

mitthrawnuruodo said:
The man who won the War of the Three Kingdoms.

Because he lived longer. What a feat. Lost more battle to Zhuge Liang than he won. Almost got killed by him. In the end all he could do was defend and try outlast Zhuge Liang's supplies.

Edit: Don't get me wrong he's the best Wei had to offer. The smartest thing he could do if not able to beat Shu in battle was to defend. Let's not make out he was the best in all of the three kingdoms throughout the 100 years.

mitthrawnuruodo · January 9

Turbster said:

mitthrawnuruodo said:
The man who won the War of the Three Kingdoms.
Because he lived longer. What a feat. Lost more battle to Zhuge Liang than he won. Almost got killed by him. In the end all he could do was defend and try outlast Zhuge Liang's supplies.

Edit: Don't get me wrong he's the best Wei had to offer. The smartest thing he could do if not able to beat Shu in battle was to defend. Let's not make out he was the best in all of the three kingdoms throughout the 100 years.

I did not say he was the best. But he and his family ended the Three Kingdoms era, eventually took over the Cao Wei empire and re-unified China. If there ever was a single winner of the Three Kingdoms era, it was Sima Yi.

Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.

What are you basing this on? Many of those characters started out under other warlords but eventually joined the three big ones. I expect it will be the same here. Some like Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang will probably not even be present at the beginning of the campaign.

Sakotadejan · January 9

mitthrawnuruodo said:

Turbster said:

mitthrawnuruodo said:
The man who won the War of the Three Kingdoms.
Because he lived longer. What a feat. Lost more battle to Zhuge Liang than he won. Almost got killed by him. In the end all he could do was defend and try outlast Zhuge Liang's supplies.

Edit: Don't get me wrong he's the best Wei had to offer. The smartest thing he could do if not able to beat Shu in battle was to defend. Let's not make out he was the best in all of the three kingdoms throughout the 100 years.
I did not say he was the best. But he and his family ended the Three Kingdoms era, eventually took over the Cao Wei empire and re-unified China. If there ever was a single winner of the Three Kingdoms era, it was Sima Yi.
Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.
What are you basing this on? Many of those characters started out under other warlords but eventually joined the three big ones. I expect it will be the same here. Some like Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang will probably not even be present at the beginning of the campaign.

That is what i wanted to know. Are they going to start under Cao Cao or am i able to recruit Sima Yi as lets say Gongsun Zan.

Jerroser · January 9

Sakotadejan said:

Yeah, but i am wondering are 3 of them goong to start with all of these character under them?

I doubt that will completely be the case. They will probably start with the ones that genuinely did start off their military careers with that particular warlord but maybe there will be some kind of mechanic for characters to switch sides or become available for others to recruit of their faction is destroyed (providing they survive).

So for instance a lot of the iconic Shu characters all start off under different factions and will need to be gathered up. While I think Sima Yi will likely become available to recruit at the mid game point so that who ever dominates of the north east will likely get hold of him.

mitthrawnuruodo · January 9

Sakotadejan said:

mitthrawnuruodo said:

Turbster said:

mitthrawnuruodo said:
The man who won the War of the Three Kingdoms.
Because he lived longer. What a feat. Lost more battle to Zhuge Liang than he won. Almost got killed by him. In the end all he could do was defend and try outlast Zhuge Liang's supplies.

Edit: Don't get me wrong he's the best Wei had to offer. The smartest thing he could do if not able to beat Shu in battle was to defend. Let's not make out he was the best in all of the three kingdoms throughout the 100 years.
I did not say he was the best. But he and his family ended the Three Kingdoms era, eventually took over the Cao Wei empire and re-unified China. If there ever was a single winner of the Three Kingdoms era, it was Sima Yi.
Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.
What are you basing this on? Many of those characters started out under other warlords but eventually joined the three big ones. I expect it will be the same here. Some like Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang will probably not even be present at the beginning of the campaign.
That is what i wanted to know. Are they going to start under Cao Cao or am i able to recruit Sima Yi as lets say Gongsun Zan.

That is indeed a question worth asking. I can only hope devs at CA had the foresight to consider what happens to juvenile or unavailable characters if their historical faction is wiped out. It will be a great bummer if I can not recruit Zhuge Liang because I killed Liu Bei and destroyed Shu before his entry into the scene.

Perhaps they should be first tied to families, and then to settlements. E.g. even if Shu is eliminated, if your warlord has managed to recruit Guan Yu, his son Guan Ping should start out in your faction. Similarly if Wei is eliminated early, the player controlling Henan (or equivalent) province should get Sima Yi.

Or may be they can become free agents like in Koei ROTK. They will be wandering from city to city, and each faction can send emissaries to impress and recruit them.

Aoishiro · January 9

Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.

Right now, Shu has 4, Wu 6 and Wei 8.

Would be great if they start revealing characters for the others 2 kingdoms.

MetalWarLord · January 9

TOTAL WAR: POSTERS!!! I think it's a book not an actual game

takilung31 · January 9

Very good! I was doubting that he wont make a apperance, but that means we have to wait 20-30 years before he shows up?

What about different scnarios so we dont start from Dong Zhou;s time?

all other 3K games have this please take a look, make them DLC if u want

different timelines and starting positions etc are definitely needed for and would make this become the best 3K strategy game

Axelrad · January 9

Sakotadejan said:

Krunch said:

Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.
It was always going to be like that. Generally it's usually the people that survive who have notable people working for them.
Yeah, but i am wondering are 3 of them goong to start with all of these character under them?

No, a lot of the famous characters from the 3 major factions are actually starting the game under different leaders, so you'll have to go out and recruit them, or possibly acquire them through dilemmas.

takilung31 said:
Very good! I was doubting that he wont make a apperance, but that means we have to wait 20-30 years before he shows up?

What about different scnarios so we dont start from Dong Zhou;s time?

all other 3K games have this please take a look, make them DLC if u want

different timelines and starting positions etc are definitely needed for and would make this become the best 3K strategy game

I disagree, I don't think that just because a lot of other games do it, that it's somehow necessary to cover the time period. I much prefer a single, more-developed start.

Breadbox · January 9

Can’t wait to conquer Liaodong and unsurp the ruling family with him!
If either of these things are in the game that is.

acroguePatrick · January 9

The man that single-handedly destroyed all of his former master's work and benefited from this period.

bisue89 · January 10

yan liang and wen chou? Where are they

jamreal18 · January 10

Whos next?
Yuan Shao's best generals? Wen Chou and Yan Liang?

Also Wu's talents are must.

JudeTakerath · January 10

Sima Yi looks great, really like that design.

Sakotadejan said:
So 40 unique looking characters. 14 playable factions. And more thanhalf of the unique characters are under Cao Cao, Sun Jian and Liu Bei.

Not too surprising. Take for example, two men under Yuan Shao. Qu Yi was Yuan Shao's star general until his execution, Zhang He was a rising general who defected to Wei. Zhang He has a biography that, even if a bit short for the pre-Wei bits, sells his deeds and his life, he has become famous, is in novel and DW. Qu Yi we get glimpses of thanks to Wang Can's annotations, is killed off early in novel and few have heard of him. Focus will be on the known figures, where SGZ and SGYY (since CA use both) provide details and fame.

To start Cao Cao and co swamping map early, does seem to be case that they will only have those they started with so Zhang He, for example, would likely be under Han Fu and easier for Yuan Shao/Zhang Yan/Gongsun Zan to grab. Sima Yi, maybe Cao Cao will have advantage but in a sandbox, situation might be different so recruitment should be shaped in circumstances.

jamreal18 said:
Whos next?
Yuan Shao's best generals? Wen Chou and Yan Liang?

Also Wu's talents are must.

I would like Yuan's best generals Yuan Tan (though seems not), Zhang He (likely) and Qu Yi to be in it! I would be less keen on the minor figures of Wen Chou and Yan Liang to be in it but I suspect they will be in

I think at moment the marketing is on Wei figures then will move onto Wu then Shu and then any "others"

Turbster said:

mitthrawnuruodo said:
The man who won the War of the Three Kingdoms.
Because he lived longer. What a feat. Lost more battle to Zhuge Liang than he won. Almost got killed by him. In the end all he could do was defend and try outlast Zhuge Liang's supplies.

Edit: Don't get me wrong he's the best Wei had to offer. The smartest thing he could do if not able to beat Shu in battle was to defend. Let's not make out he was the best in all of the three kingdoms throughout the 100 years.

There is a difference between history and novel. I think Sima Yi has a claim, despite being embarrassingly useless against Zhuge Liang (Sima Yi was no Cao Zhen on that one, his predecessor did far better) in history, to be a candidate for the historical best of the 3k era due to his career outside that moment but there are some great other candidates. Novel he is probably second or third since Zhuge Liang is meant to be number 1.

TheGuardianOfMetal · January 10

Zhang Liao, I would hope

Thedossboss · January 10

What CA should do is release at least 5 free known characters (from minor to major, starting out in their respective factions of the 11 or later down the line as they are added) with each content drop. I would say release a new known character every fortnight but that would break mods too often and people would end up complaining. It would be awesome to have something like 60 or 70 unique characters for the base game (not including DLC) by the time the support cycle is complete

Krunch · January 10

Also you guys have to remember, even if they don't have a unique model according to CA there are still hundreds of characters with pre set personalities. Most of these characters will be in one way or the other, they just won't be as unique as some others.

BillyRuffian · January 10

Posts removed. Can we keep the personal sniping off the forums please.

Fossoway · January 11

Wait, I'm confused. Where does he start, and with who? Wasn't Sima Yi one of the prime candidate for a DLC? Is he even playable?

lilpope · January 11

I can see Sima Yi making Cao Cao's campaign tricky, in the late game when Cao Cao dies, Sima yi leading an uprising against you splitting your faction and stealing some of your generals will be the biggest pain

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