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  • NyxilisNyxilis Registered Users Posts: 3,901
    Bonutz619 said:

    Nyxilis said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Have to say I find this bizarre as well. When I got my cleaning job at a supermarket I never expected to have to clean up excrement off the top of toilet roll dispensers, out of the urinals, off the walls, and out of the sinks, and yet I have had to do all those things unpleasant though they are. I don't get to say, 'you know what, I'm not going to do my job for a while because I don't like some aspects of it...'. As I say bizarre, some people don't know they're born.
    Except this is not a good analogy at all. It would be more akin to people coming into your store with offensive t-shirts, signs, or openly talking about topics that make you troubled. To which the majority of companies I've ever worked for allow us to block, ban, or call the police to have them removed. And yeah, even the grocery store I worked for in my teens would throw people out for wearing shirts with nudity.

    This was the actual standard by most people operating by. She doesn't have to work with Reddit, it's not an official forum. They have the luxury of getting the responses there. And they didn't have the rules that most other official game forums with regard to NSFW. When I told my spouse about the controversy first words out of their mouth was. "They didn't have like.. the most basic or rules?"

    And now, a bunch of whiny, bitchy, self entitled otakus want to tell Grace what she should or should not be insulted by. Demanding she shift through porn that wouldn't have a place in the majority of official threads. Whining they should be allowed to just shove porn in people's faces. Go do that in the street and wait for the cops to come. The only thing that shielded those people was it was on a private forum that is free to make it's own rules. And the moderators made their own rules.

    Booo hoooo hoooooo, I can't find porn on the internet. Booooo hoooo hoooo hooo.
    Whether Grace is insulted or not, is not really the core issue imo. The issue is her doing her job to communicate with the customer base. Like you said, when people showed up at your store with offensive material, you kicked them out. Regardless of how offended you may or may not have been, that didn’t mean you stopped doing your job afterwards, did it? Grace has openly stated that she will be leaving Reddit for an extended period. If she felt insulted then fine but that doesn’t give anyone a free pass to just walk away from their job’s responsibilities...unless they quit their job, which she hasn’t.

    Reddit may not be an official forum but CA spends a majority of their time communicating there...so in a sense, it’s more important to them than any official forum on paper.
    It is entirely part of the issue. When I was a simple sacker at the age of a teen I had the right by my corporation to be offended by certain behavior. We did not tolerate nudity shirts, shirts with racist remarks, or even being overly rude to the employees. We threw people out and put tresspass orders on them for that.

    Once more, go tell you mother that. Tell her you want the right to post porn in front of people who don't want to see it. Tell them you have the right to do it on a forum that's main purpose isn't porn. Tell them that the owners of the subreddit also banned it and now you're sad that the moderators of the subreddit had the idea of common decency and you don't. See the response that gets.

    You guys are incredible. You never truly realized entitle till people defend the indefensible.
  • FakeEmperorFakeEmperor Registered Users Posts: 595
    ( music starst).....Everybody was Wai Fu fighting... (music ends)
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 20,599
    edited June 2019
    I'm not really interested in Reddit hullabaloo. I don't like that site.

    That said I don't tolerate rude customers in my position so I don't expect anyone else to. The customer isn't always right, often they're wrong. She's absolutely right to step back here, nobody should be made to see that at work when they don't want to. Companies have strict rules against that for very good reason. It's simply not acceptable.
    Malakai is the best choice for a Dwarf LP. Give us Slayer lords so we may form a Slayer host and revel in our destruction!
  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 5,868
    neodeinos said:

    Xenos7 said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Well, she's a person first and a community manager later. She isn't paid to put up with toxic sexism not related to gaming.
    Oh so nudity is toxic sexism now ? Didn't know.
    Yeah, in that context it is.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 7,912
    edited June 2019
    I think this is mods job to take care of.

    I also don't see what's there to get so worked up about.

    Not like I haven't seen dudes get done in same way or worse. It's just admittedly a smaller audience.
    Xenos7 said:

    neodeinos said:

    Xenos7 said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Well, she's a person first and a community manager later. She isn't paid to put up with toxic sexism not related to gaming.
    Oh so nudity is toxic sexism now ? Didn't know.
    Yeah, in that context it is.
    I really dislike casual connection between fantasy and real life dispositions.

    Probably because I'm a Chaos worshipper and that would make me a psychotic mass murderer.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 20,599
    Xenos7 said:

    neodeinos said:

    Xenos7 said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Well, she's a person first and a community manager later. She isn't paid to put up with toxic sexism not related to gaming.
    Oh so nudity is toxic sexism now ? Didn't know.
    Yeah, in that context it is.
    On the list of things that shouldn't need to be explained why posting porn on a gaming forum is a bad thing and sexist is on there. Especially in the context of a pg war game with nothing to do with nudity. That really shouldn't have to be explained.
    Malakai is the best choice for a Dwarf LP. Give us Slayer lords so we may form a Slayer host and revel in our destruction!
  • NyxilisNyxilis Registered Users Posts: 3,901
    Crossil said:

    I think this is mods job to take care of.

    I really dislike casual connection between fantasy and real life dispositions.

    Probably because I'm a Chaos worshipper and that would make me a psychotic mass murderer.

    See, funny you should say that. The mods did, they said. Okay, this is not in the rules now. Out. And then, the true whining started~
  • WaaaghCheifWaaaghCheif Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,247
    edited June 2019
    My general opinion of it, despite agreeing that bikini mods don't need to be on the front page of Total Wars subreddit, Grace was well warned by the post, it was labeled NSFW and the NSFW image wasn't the first in the post, so It wouldn't be on the thumbnail neither. She had to actually click on the NSFW marked post.

    Note: Im not saying "Giff me bikini waifus, BOO Grace". Just that the people who wanted to see it could, and the others chose not to.



  • JerroserJerroser Registered Users Posts: 377

    Xenos7 said:

    neodeinos said:

    Xenos7 said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Well, she's a person first and a community manager later. She isn't paid to put up with toxic sexism not related to gaming.
    Oh so nudity is toxic sexism now ? Didn't know.
    Yeah, in that context it is.
    On the list of things that shouldn't need to be explained why posting porn on a gaming forum is a bad thing and sexist is on there. Especially in the context of a pg war game with nothing to do with nudity. That really shouldn't have to be explained.
    In terms of explicitly, the image that set this whole thing off wan't any more revealing that what Morathi and the Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter where. After hearing about all the fuss that it cause I was expecting something much worse, when seeing the image.

    Although you could argue that the fact of taking an image that wasn't originally sexualized and make it more revealing is worse that something that was already what way to begin with.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 8,207
    It is 2019, the current year. Hostile work environment is made out of bikini-clad women fanart.


    Drowned in stars, bloated we shine.
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  • psychoakpsychoak Registered Users Posts: 3,142
    edited June 2019
    Waifu pictures are the least of our concern, the real threat is everywhere. They're naked, commonly associated with feminine traits, and they play with their own privates. In public... Orally...

    Sexism, nudity, and extreme public obscenity, masquerading behind insidious propaganda claiming them to be harmless and cute!
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 7,912
    edited June 2019
    Nyxilis said:

    Crossil said:

    I think this is mods job to take care of.

    See, funny you should say that. The mods did, they said. Okay, this is not in the rules now. Out. And then, the true whining started~
    There will be whiners for everything.

    Why are we sitting here discussing whining instead of pillaging the southerners?

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • NyxilisNyxilis Registered Users Posts: 3,901

    My general opinion of it, despite agreeing that bikini mods don't need to be on the front page of Total Wars subreddit, Grace was well warned by the post, it was labeled NSFW and the NSFW image wasn't the first in the post, so It wouldn't be on the thumbnail neither. She had to actually click on the NSFW marked post.

    Note: Im not saying "Giff me bikini waifus, BOO Grace". Just that the people who wanted to see it could, and the others chose not to.



    Yeah, so this is pretty much not the jist of it. It was not a single line of post. Anyone who's been in that subreddit know they've been posting it in various threads.

    It's like useless saying, "There are **** everywhere", as if it makes it okay that they are ****. Or that you should just accept them. Or that you shouldn't banish them.

    It's more like, okay, we the mods in basic decency have decided these people should go. That's what people should have expected and that has gotten the greater amount of bitching.
  • tyrannustyrannus Registered Users Posts: 1,079
    Off to reddit with those stupid debates, chop chop.

    Believe in humanity!
  • IconicIconic Registered Users Posts: 515
    Don't be a creep. How hard is it?
  • SakuraHeinzSakuraHeinz Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,614
    Lol I wish I could just stay at home when my work bothers me, sadly I cant.


    Also seeing a nude character is the most harmless thing I could imagine from internet fandom I thought its guro or monster ryona or something like that, Grace is just a wimp.
  • IconicIconic Registered Users Posts: 515
    If you put pictures of women in underwear up at work you would be disciplined.
  • dge1dge1 Moderator Arkansas, USARegistered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 20,106
    edited June 2019
    Thread moved.

    Changed my mind after reading through the posts again.

    Thread closed.
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