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CA Modding Sponsorship Issue?

FishirFishir Posts: 1Registered Users
edited July 9 in Total War General Chat
So if been playing multiple games from CA and have enjoyed using mods as a fun way to spice things up. I then watch a video from Arch Warhammer on an issue with some women looking sexy in scantily clothing and I'm a little dumb struck that this is even an issue...

Here is the video for reference :
Link removed as it contains material inappropriate for a family-friendly forum.

I can see why they might get rid of some really fringe things but this seems a little to excessive. I also disagree with the lead support manager on this because it was labeled appropriately and if as long as it's not inciting violence against another group, copyrighted work, or I guess a nazie or USSR image it should be acceptable if the user labels it appropriately.


Hell, after looking into this issue and making sure there was nothing taken out of context the manager that disliked this also had a Male that was scantily clothed. So is it also not allowed or are we only going after one side?
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  • zerkmannzerkmann Posts: 348Registered Users
    Just host it at the Nexus site. There, done. Now no more annoying companies trying to hound you for a harmless mod you spent hours working on.

    Steam has always curated and banned sexy mods such as these in the past (remember how EmperorTrump got told to edit his topless Morathi/Witch Elves mod or have his mods taken down?). Same case. Of course there are some funny instances like Funcom actively encouraging the community to make deviant sex mods for their game, on the workshop no less.

  • markp27markp27 Posts: 1,102Registered Users
    Every company has the right to refuse whatever it feels like. Same as every business has the right to refuse entry to it's premises. As to the one sided question, walk down any street in the UK during a hot summer, you will see men topless, but not women, it's a fact of every day life.

  • RewanRewan Senior Member Posts: 1,181Registered Users
    edited July 9
    God I clicked on the video by reflex, it's good to know that Arch is still unbearable to listen to.

    Also yes. the Workshop is pretty much a loan space offered by CA to the community (it's a pretty good one aswell since popular mods will show up in your Library page) so they have full rights to decide what goes there or not. (And so does every developer/editor)

    That's why you also have unofficial modding platforms like the Nexus where mods that do not fit the bill can go.


    Also this thread is probably going to be moved since it's not actually about 3K but about TW in general so RIP in advance.
  • OngtheconquererOngtheconquerer Posts: 253Registered Users
    Well...at least we could get those mods in Nexus too.
  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 19,667Registered Users
    So Archie went from "too many ladywimmenz!" in R2 to "where da sexy ladywimmenz at?" in 3K?

  • BillyRuffianBillyRuffian Moderator UKPosts: 35,872Registered Users, Moderators, Knights
    Somebody has already suggested that this is likely to be moved as it is not specific to one game, so no surprises that it is now in TW General Chat.

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  • shattishatti Posts: 275Registered Users
    i don't understand why sexy images are bad even for young
    with the internet every kid have seen them, and they don't cause problems
    i think religions affects politics, which affects companies, which affects gaming policies
    i'm serious, correct me if there something i overlooked and without calling me stupid please
  • Fear_The_WolfFear_The_Wolf Posts: 2,876Registered Users

    So Archie went from "too many ladywimmenz!" in R2 to "where da sexy ladywimmenz at?" in 3K?

    There's a viewer base to maintain, and this is what would draw the necessary attention. Don't think about it too hard.

    Internet isn't free space. Reddit gets moderated. This forum gets moderated. All mods hosted to the steam workshop get moderated. Even the Nexus maintains a specific level of moderation. It gets especially dicey when you start taking the intellectual property owned by another and using or modifying it yourself. Then we get into Fair Use and Public Domain laws, it's a **** show. Suffice to say that Pornhub is the closest thing to a truly unmoderated host you can find, make of that what you will.

    Having said all of that, I am confused as to why CA has elected to fight this specific battle. It has a precedent, back when Blizzard first took the fight to people making porn parodies of Overwatch. Sure you can regulate it on owned or hosted sites, locations where company policy has leeway. But to outright decry adult parodies of the game in question is a battle you couldn't win if you had a million people scouring the internet for adult content to ban. Not to mention they've been using the Fair Use parody agreement as a shield for as long as the internet has been alive. Blizzard did not stop adult content being made using their game, and it could be argued they merely antagonized the situation. CA will not be able to either. And it's not like they couldn't have seen it coming either. Even if we ignore the rule of the internet, there were posts taking bets specifically on how long it would take to mod 3K into an anime harem months before anything came out. There is no way this came as a surprise. Hell I'm surprised it took as long as it did.

    Furthermore, the mods which started this entire discourse, the one of Sun Ren and the one of Zheng Jiang, are a far cry from what could have been. To call them tame to the possibilites is a massive understatement. I'd even go so far as to say the art portrayed isn't of poor quality. A drastic shift in perspective, more of the Greek Idealization and less the grounded exaggeration CA went for, but it isn't poorly drawn. Except Sun Rens leg. That leg is like 5th grade art class quality. Anyway point is that by making it something of a company policy to fight these kinds of modifications CA will only succeed at drawing attention to them. Not stopping anything. Quiet moderation and letting the community do the determination would probably net better results.
  • zerkmannzerkmann Posts: 348Registered Users

    So Archie went from "too many ladywimmenz!" in R2 to "where da sexy ladywimmenz at?" in 3K?

    There's a viewer base to maintain, and this is what would draw the necessary attention. Don't think about it too hard.

    Internet isn't free space. Reddit gets moderated. This forum gets moderated. All mods hosted to the steam workshop get moderated. Even the Nexus maintains a specific level of moderation. It gets especially dicey when you start taking the intellectual property owned by another and using or modifying it yourself. Then we get into Fair Use and Public Domain laws, it's a **** show. Suffice to say that Pornhub is the closest thing to a truly unmoderated host you can find, make of that what you will.

    Having said all of that, I am confused as to why CA has elected to fight this specific battle. It has a precedent, back when Blizzard first took the fight to people making porn parodies of Overwatch. Sure you can regulate it on owned or hosted sites, locations where company policy has leeway. But to outright decry adult parodies of the game in question is a battle you couldn't win if you had a million people scouring the internet for adult content to ban. Not to mention they've been using the Fair Use parody agreement as a shield for as long as the internet has been alive. Blizzard did not stop adult content being made using their game, and it could be argued they merely antagonized the situation. CA will not be able to either. And it's not like they couldn't have seen it coming either. Even if we ignore the rule of the internet, there were posts taking bets specifically on how long it would take to mod 3K into an anime harem months before anything came out. There is no way this came as a surprise. Hell I'm surprised it took as long as it did.

    Furthermore, the mods which started this entire discourse, the one of Sun Ren and the one of Zheng Jiang, are a far cry from what could have been. To call them tame to the possibilites is a massive understatement. I'd even go so far as to say the art portrayed isn't of poor quality. A drastic shift in perspective, more of the Greek Idealization and less the grounded exaggeration CA went for, but it isn't poorly drawn. Except Sun Rens leg. That leg is like 5th grade art class quality. Anyway point is that by making it something of a company policy to fight these kinds of modifications CA will only succeed at drawing attention to them. Not stopping anything. Quiet moderation and letting the community do the determination would probably net better results.
    It's hilarious because what Blizzard did had the opposite effect, now Overwatch is most famous for its porn.
    It's been proven time and time again that trying to restrict or outright ban a particular commodity will only intensify the need for it i.e. see the ongoing drug war or the entire alcohol prohibition period.
  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 19,667Registered Users
    LoL, "famous for its porn".

    What's that based on? That you can easily find porn for it? Guess what, you can find easily find porn for all sorts of things. Want some Disney porn? There's tons of it. Is Disney now "famous for its porn"?

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