Seeing as the old one was unceremoniously deleted and not moved.
Thread here for resetting ladder.
I propose resetting it given the huge changes since inception.
Also resetting it on a cycle - up for debate how often.
Re calculating the point system from playing to be done in a manner which doesn't deter people from playing and particularly those high on ladder.
A standardised number of points lost if you lose but a differing amount of points earned from a win depending on how good your opponent is.
A loss of points for both players in the event of a draw to help deter draw kiting.
My example proposals are below.
-15 for a loss (flat rate)
-5 for a draw (both players)
+100 for a win against someone ranked 1-100
+75 for a win against someone ranked 101-200
This then carries on down to a minimum of +5 points for a win for example someone ranked 11 vs someone ranked 1567
Very interested to hear thoughts on this
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The other way would be to completely forget about leaderboard and don’t reset it, because at the current state trying to climb it is pretty much pointless.
If CA does decide to reset it however they should take care that you're not rewarded for not playing, which is currently the case because you need like 50 wins to nullify one loss.
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2 · 2LikeThey do need ranked/power-matched MMR, with point losses not being so severe for losses....as that is a large part of what gives incentive in cheesy climbing and/or idling at the top.
Since I don't see any major ladder rework happening though....I don't really see the point in resetting it tbh. Like if they do... fine. But the same non-sense and the usual suspects would simply go back to doing what they do and the ladder would like exactly like it does now in a matter of days.
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0 · LikeElo is more or less what would work. The problem is draw kiting though, it needs to be addressed, both losing points works as a quick fix at least.
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0 · LikeThis means you naturally progress and games are exciting and close most of the time.
For me personally, 1/3 of the times on ladder I run into players who are at a much lower skill level than me and it makes the game unfun for both me and my opponent.
I also run into players who are obviously better than I am and that also isn't very fun for me even though I like the challenge in general.
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0 · LikeI do like the idea of a flat rate for losses and a scaling reward for wins though.
Get on, Kroq-Gar, we're going shopping
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0 · LikeThe Elo[a] rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in zero-sum games such as chess. It is named after its creator Arpad Elo, a Hungarian-American physics professor.
The Elo system was originally invented as an improved chess rating system over the previously used Harkness system, but is also used as a rating system for multiplayer competition in a number of video games,[1] association football, American football, basketball,[2] Major League Baseball, table tennis, Scrabble, board games such as Diplomacy and other games.
The difference in the ratings between two players serves as a predictor of the outcome of a match. Two players with equal ratings who play against each other are expected to score an equal number of wins. A player whose rating is 100 points greater than their opponent's is expected to score 64%; if the difference is 200 points, then the expected score for the stronger player is 76%.
A player's Elo rating is represented by a number which increases or decreases depending on the outcome of games between rated players. After every game, the winning player takes points from the losing one. The difference between the ratings of the winner and loser determines the total number of points gained or lost after a game. In a series of games between a high-rated player and a low-rated player, the high-rated player is expected to score more wins. If the high-rated player wins, then only a few rating points will be taken from the low-rated player. However, if the lower-rated player scores an upset win, many rating points will be transferred. The lower-rated player will also gain a few points from the higher rated player in the event of a draw. This means that this rating system is self-correcting. Players whose ratings are too low should, in the long run, do better than the rating system predicts and thus gain rating points until the ratings reflect their true playing strength.
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So if you want a proper ranking that doesn't just promote playing the highest number of games, then you need a zero-sum system like elo. It's mostly famous for being used in chess I believe, but works in any individual sport or game really.
Minor issues are draw kiting is not addressed and need other solution, same smurfing can hurt high level ranking. It can only do it a few times though, then they have quickly gained elo ranking as can no longer do it. Much better than we have now in any case.
The only way new points enter the system is when a new player joins.
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0 · LikeElo has its problems, high rated should not play against low rated at all.
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0 · LikeAlso, since there aren't 10000+ players online at any time, creating an actual matchmaking would mean that you would find no matches at most times of the day. The ELO system we have now works OK, if a newbie is matched vs a very strong player he can always quit and go onto the next game with minimal point loss, or stay and try to learn a few things. Either way, the system is compensating him for playing against someone above his level with reduced point loss and increased gain should he win.
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0 · LikeWhat we have now is similar in concept, but not as strict.
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