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Lore Discussion: Is the Church Of Sigmar a proselytizing cult ?

doclumbagodoclumbago Registered Users Posts: 1,779
Is Sigmar just an Empire related & local God ?

Or does the Temple of Sigmar send missionaries to foreign countries
to spread the great news about the God-King ?

Is it even possible for Bretonnians or other nations to join Sigmar ?

And could nonhumans e.g. Dwarves knock on a Sigmarite Temple & go:
"I´ve seen the comet I want to join!"
( No that´s not beyond the pale, a significant number of Dwarves worships a fiery Chaos Bull)

I´m asking these questions cause old polytheist cultures (e.g. Empire)
often saw Gods as beings of limited area of expertise & local power.
So if you´re a seafarer in foreign shores it might be more prudent
to pay homage to a local seagod or to both your AND that local seagod to cover all sides

Also people could be very jealous with their God´s favour.
Maybe Empire citizens don´t WANT to share the blessings of Sigmar.

Happy if anyone can provide quotes or examples for
both missionary & isolationist Sigmarites
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  • Sir_GodspeedSir_Godspeed Registered Users Posts: 2,888
    It's a bit of both, really.

    Sigmar is the state-god and patron god of the Empire of Man, which he founded. His worship is closely linked to the existance of the Empire, its people, and its institutions.

    The Cult of Sigmar exists within a polytheistic system, where other gods are also worshipped.

    Most Imperial citizens will revere and worship several of these, depending on their life situation, access to temples, priests, and ability. Very few people dedicate themselves only to one god outside of their respective priesthoods.

    In some sense the Cults compete, for example with regards to monetary gifts, land grants, prestige and so on. This rivalry is especially prominent with Sigmarites and Ulricans, who cover somewhat of the same niche (primarily as gods of war).

    There is also a less serious rivalry between Sigmar and Myrmidia (once again, a war goddess). Myrmidia is additionally considered a "southern" deity, who came from Tilea and Estalia, and is therefore a bit of a recent foreign import.

    Despite these rivalries, few of these cults want the others outright eradicated. It's a rivalry of wealth, power and prestige, not of theology as such (Sigmar was a Ulric-worshipper, after all).

    Despite Sigmar's attachment to the Empire, missionaries do exist. If I recall correctly, there are stories of chapter houses/missions stations particularly in Kislev, and possibly Bretonnia. Neither are very succesful. Sigmarites also proselytize in Middenland and Nordland, which isn't super-popular with the Cult of Ulric. The Cult of Ulric in turn have made efforts to do missioning in southern Norsca, even.

    So yeah, basically, the Cult of Sigmar has no intention of converting all of humanity to *solely* worship Sigmar, but it regards itself as the most worthy of cults, and wants to be the most powerful, so it does work to spread its message and tenets.
  • KN_GarsKN_Gars Registered Users Posts: 324
    Since the church of Sigmar is entirely focused on the Empire in it's doctrine it is hard to see it as doing external missionary work. They are all about the unity of the Empire and supporting the Emperor, things that will hardly be of interest to outsiders. Of course the church has changed in the lore over time, the original version from the late 80's (the RPG) lacked the influence from 40K which has crept into the Church later on with it being influenced by that settings Imperial cult. The Tome of Salvation supplement for the RPG has a good deal of detail for the later version of the church.
  • kitekazekitekaze Registered Users Posts: 304

    Is Sigmar just an Empire related & local God ?

    Or does the Temple of Sigmar send missionaries to foreign countries
    to spread the great news about the God-King ?

    Is it even possible for Bretonnians or other nations to join Sigmar ?

    And could nonhumans e.g. Dwarves knock on a Sigmarite Temple & go:
    "I´ve seen the comet I want to join!"
    ( No that´s not beyond the pale, a significant number of Dwarves worships a fiery Chaos Bull)

    I´m asking these questions cause old polytheist cultures (e.g. Empire)
    often saw Gods as beings of limited area of expertise & local power.
    So if you´re a seafarer in foreign shores it might be more prudent
    to pay homage to a local seagod or to both your AND that local seagod to cover all sides

    Also people could be very jealous with their God´s favour.
    Maybe Empire citizens don´t WANT to share the blessings of Sigmar.

    Happy if anyone can provide quotes or examples for
    both missionary & isolationist Sigmarites

    Bretonnia old tribes are also invited by Sigmar himself, but they refuse, because they're safe behind Grey Mountain.

    To answer your question, Sigmar's faith do spread, but in a world where there are a dozens of gods to worship, it's not easy unless using force, which is not sigmar's style.

    Sigmar faith can only be accessed by hard and long path, which Warrior Priest and Witch Hunter take. It's not as easy as worshiping Chaos Gods or other Gods. This make people, who was not Empire, reluctant to join the religious.
  • AbmongAbmong Registered Users Posts: 1,748
    Even if they did send out missionaries he's not very popular outside of the Empire.

    There are the Old World Pantheon: Ulric, Rhya, Taal,, Manaan, Morr, Shallya, Verena and Ranald. These are all venerated and worshipped in the human Old World factions like: Empire, Bretonnia, Kislev, Border Princes, Tilea and Estalia.

    Ulric, Rhya, Taal,, Manaan are more popular North of the river Reik.
    Morr, Shallya, Verena and Ranald are more popular the futher south you get, down in Tilea and Estalia.

    Then there are the 2nd generation Gods who are not really worshipped outside of their native realm.
    Sigmar = Empire
    Lady of the Lake = Bretonnia
    Ursun = Kislev
    Myrmidia = Tilea and Estalia (spread to the Empire due to Empire Knights who converted during the crusade against Araby and founded the Order of the Blazing Sun and brought her worship back to the Empire).
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  • VoxofWarVoxofWar Member Registered Users Posts: 280
    Sigmar is as a God much like Talos in Elder Scrolls. Imperials love him, others ... tolerate him, or see him as some upstart..
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