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ThePhoenixKingThePhoenixKing Registered Users Posts: 34
edited September 7 in Balancing Discussions
Really short: It's impossible to make an army with Tyrion/Eltharion that can deal with everything against Lizardmen for example.

If you have a build with one of those Lords then show it but i bet you won't find one.

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  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 27,092
    What are you talking about? SP? MP? What LM builds? What are your problems specifically?

  • ThePhoenixKingThePhoenixKing Registered Users Posts: 34
    There is no army with Tyrion that can kill every LM army. I'm talking about Multiplayer of course.
  • Lotus_MoonLotus_Moon Registered Users Posts: 9,928
    Tyrion is actually one of better lord picks vs LZM and TK, ofcourse not top pick there but its definetly not a handicap.

    Though i dont understand what your point is? Im sure i can make a Tyrion army and it be competative, Eutherium much less so, though ofcourse you can compete with him aswell he does however feel a bit UP.

    Your post though seems more like a rant than a balance post.
  • Lotus_MoonLotus_Moon Registered Users Posts: 9,928

    There is no army with Tyrion that can kill every LM army. I'm talking about Multiplayer of course.

    Good if there was it be super OP and broken match up, seems working as intended.
  • Theo91Theo91 Registered Users Posts: 1,998
    This for me is the double edged sword of asymmetric balancing. You can pick an army that just can't compete with the enemy and will almost certainly lose unless you're significantly more skilled than the opponent but to be honest, this is what makes Warhammer fun and interesting for me. I love how different army builds are and how different factions have different strengths and weaknesses.
  • Green0Green0 Registered Users Posts: 7,317
    edited September 7

    Really short: It's impossible to make an army with Tyrion/Eltharion that can deal with everything against Lizardmen for example.

    If you have a build with one of those Lords then show it but i bet you won't find one.

    just like it's impossible to build a good army with Karl Franz on his Griphon vs Vampire Coast... almost like different lords serve different purposes and not every lord is good in every matchup...

    Vs Lizardmen I advise to try Imrik on his Dragon, Teclis on horse or Alarielle.
    mightygloin_fan_1
  • Lotus_MoonLotus_Moon Registered Users Posts: 9,928
    Green0 said:

    Really short: It's impossible to make an army with Tyrion/Eltharion that can deal with everything against Lizardmen for example.

    If you have a build with one of those Lords then show it but i bet you won't find one.

    just like it's impossible to build a good army with Karl Franz on his Griphon vs Vampire Coast... almost like different lords serve different purposes and not every lord is good in every matchup...

    Vs Lizardmen I advise to try Imrik on his Dragon, Teclis on horse or Alarielle.
    Have to say i was expecting “coz they suck...something something” when i seen you replied but actually your response is spot on 100% though im sure we all can agree Eutherium is bit UP lord at least on his strom wing pet.
  • ThePhoenixKingThePhoenixKing Registered Users Posts: 34



    Though i dont understand what your point is? Im sure i can make a Tyrion army and it be competative,

    Well, post a sreenshot with that army then.

    Green0 said:

    Really short: It's impossible to make an army with Tyrion/Eltharion that can deal with everything against Lizardmen for example.

    If you have a build with one of those Lords then show it but i bet you won't find one.

    just like it's impossible to build a good army with Karl Franz on his Griphon vs Vampire Coast... almost like different lords serve different purposes and not every lord is good in every matchup...

    Vs Lizardmen I advise to try Imrik on his Dragon, Teclis on horse or Alarielle.
    Why would you take Tyrion if you have Teclis or Allarielle. He's never a good pick.

  • Noob_for_LifeNoob_for_Life Registered Users Posts: 383

    Really short: It's impossible to make an army with Tyrion/Eltharion that can deal with everything against Lizardmen for example.

    If you have a build with one of those Lords then show it but i bet you won't find one.

    Git gud
  • Green0Green0 Registered Users Posts: 7,317
    edited September 7



    Though i dont understand what your point is? Im sure i can make a Tyrion army and it be competative,

    Well, post a sreenshot with that army then.


    vs Lizardmen as HE you want something to deal with infantry and something to kill large dinos. Chasing down Chameleons can also help though don't overinvest in that.

    Following units are quite good vs LZ:

    - Bolt Thrower (does OK vs Solar Engine and puts pressure on any LZ dino, does OK vs infantry with multi shot also)
    - Sisters of Avelorn (with Net they can kill many Dinos and late-game their melee stats are quite good. Their 36 speed means you can kite anything besides cav and Skink units)
    - Phoenix Guards (counter almost every units in LZ roster just careful with Solar Engines and Wind Blast/Rock drops)
    - Dragon Princes (do well vs most LZ units just keep them cycle charging and in particular vs Solar Engines they can run around freely since typically LZ won't have both Solar Engines and a strong cav force)
    - Silverin Guard, WL: just good frontline for most circumstances
    - Metal Mage: Plague of Rust is useful to make Dino armor come to reasonable levels
    - Dragons in isolation beat most LZ dinos. LZ typically have a bit better support but you have healing and breath attacks
    - Handmaidens are quite good vs Cold One cavalry, they can poke cav and SEMs quite well with their ranged attack and in melee they beat mid-tier cav and can do OK (not great) vs armored dinos.

    Tyrion is not great in this MU but pick a combination of these units and you should still win.
    mightygloin_fan_1
  • Lotus_MoonLotus_Moon Registered Users Posts: 9,928



    Though i dont understand what your point is? Im sure i can make a Tyrion army and it be competative,

    Well, post a sreenshot with that army then.

    Green0 said:

    Really short: It's impossible to make an army with Tyrion/Eltharion that can deal with everything against Lizardmen for example.

    If you have a build with one of those Lords then show it but i bet you won't find one.

    just like it's impossible to build a good army with Karl Franz on his Griphon vs Vampire Coast... almost like different lords serve different purposes and not every lord is good in every matchup...

    Vs Lizardmen I advise to try Imrik on his Dragon, Teclis on horse or Alarielle.
    Why would you take Tyrion if you have Teclis or Allarielle. He's never a good pick.

    Can play you if u want, i dont really need to post screenshots to show you hows its doen since not sure if you could do it, we can play it soemtime and you can see how its done.
  • mightygloinmightygloin Karaz-a-KarakRegistered Users Posts: 3,301
    High Elves - where is the love? <3
  • TexacoV2TexacoV2 Registered Users Posts: 275
    Then don't bring those lords? I don't quite see the issue?
  • CirdanCirdan Registered Users Posts: 773
    Tyrion + metalcaster with regular archers/LSG can be quite cool as well.

    As for Eltharion, he is simply too expensive for what he bring overall.
  • PocmanPocman Registered Users Posts: 3,652

    Really short: It's impossible to make an army with Tyrion/Eltharion that can deal with everything against Lizardmen for example.

    If you have a build with one of those Lords then show it but i bet you won't find one.

    As intended.
  • SarmatiannsSarmatianns Registered Users Posts: 4,323
    You can also go with Metal archmage on eagle, White Lions, Silvering, Spearmen, LSG, Archers, Silver Helms and RoR War Lions.

    That is a build that can generally deal with most of the stuff lizards can throw at you.
  • Green0Green0 Registered Users Posts: 7,317

    You can also go with Metal archmage on eagle, White Lions, Silvering, Spearmen, LSG, Archers, Silver Helms and RoR War Lions.

    That is a build that can generally deal with most of the stuff lizards can throw at you.

    ty for the recipe for nightmares I'm sure tonight my brain will conceive a new HE buff after the frustration of imagining such an army.
    mightygloin_fan_1
  • SarmatiannsSarmatianns Registered Users Posts: 4,323
    I imagine HE fans slowly moving around in a group, like zombies, but instead of going "... brains...", they're saying "... buffs..."
  • Green0Green0 Registered Users Posts: 7,317
    edited September 8

    I imagine HE fans slowly moving around in a group, like zombies, but instead of going "... brains...", they're saying "... buffs..."

    good one, made me chuckle.
    mightygloin_fan_1
  • WazabazabaWazabazaba Registered Users Posts: 140

    I imagine HE fans slowly moving around in a group, like zombies, but instead of going "... brains...", they're saying "... buffs..."

    Eh, no worse than stunties always stroking out about not having enough auto-wins.
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  • mightygloinmightygloin Karaz-a-KarakRegistered Users Posts: 3,301

    dge1 said:


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