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Anatolian Dardanians and the Hittites

BastileanBastilean Registered Users Posts: 1,387
edited September 2020 in General Discussion
Here's a two hour documentary about the Hittites. Really interesting stuff.

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  • Hex AgorosHex Agoros Registered Users Posts: 59
    The Dardanians were from the Balkans, the Hittites were from Eastern Anatolia. I'm not sure how we're coming to the conclusion that these two people were one and the same.
  • BastileanBastilean Registered Users Posts: 1,387
    edited September 2020

    The Dardanians were from the Balkans, the Hittites were from Eastern Anatolia. I'm not sure how we're coming to the conclusion that these two people were one and the same.

    Yeah, I am still learning about the connection. The faction in TROY named Dardania has a structure honoring the Hittite gods and cultures called Hasawa Village. They also are clearly in Anatolia not the balkans, and have Anatolian troops. So yeah, in TROY Dardanians are at the very least a mix with Hittite culture, military and history. Not to mention if you watch the film the weapons and technology is clearly the same.

    Hittite power was waxing (powerful and strong) in 1300 BC very close to the time of the Iliad 1250 to 1300 BC, and their holdings covered most of Turkey and Syria. The Hittites were polytheists and as described in the OP video probably greatly influenced the Greek and Roman spiritual systems of which the entire Iliad is written about. Also note worthy, the video argued that Hittite chariot technology was best in class.


    I found another video discussing Homer's use of the term Dardania in reference to the Trojan lands founded by the big man Dardanus described by Homer.



    This video talks about Dardanian charioteers being taken prisoner by Pharaoh Ramesses II of Egypt during the most famous Hittite battle of Kadesh proving Homer's description of the nations and peoples was historic if not factual.

    This video says that these Trojan Dardanians were a people that migrated from the Balkans. We also know that the Balkan Dardanians continued on and made a bit of a ruckus in 400 BC long after TROY, and many great rulers were Dardanian descent including Constantine.

    Last but not of least interest, and noted by the in game description, the descendants of the Trojans Dardanians are believed at least methodologically to have founded Rome.
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  • MrCanisterMrCanister Registered Users Posts: 126
    edited September 2020
    What Hittite gods is Dardania honoring in the game, isn't every faction using the same Greek pantheon.
    The Hittites refer to the Luwians and Wilusa (Troy) as NOT part of their empire, but actually occasional enemies, so likely they were really neighbors rather than closely related ethnicities, and some degree of mutual cultural influence is always to be expected.
    You could speculate about some equivalence/relation between Thrakes and Dardanians much more easily than Hittites and Dardanians.

    If you're just trying to find a faction in the game that would remind you of Hittites for some reason, I'd say Sarpedon is stylized more in that eastern style and also has the chariot focus. But the simple answer is they're just not in the game - they don't have an explicit role in the Iliad and they'd be in the inland regions which are excluded in TW Troy.
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  • BastileanBastilean Registered Users Posts: 1,387
    Did you watch the videos or are you just spouting off?
  • MrCanisterMrCanister Registered Users Posts: 126
    Didn't have time for the whole 2 hour thingy, maybe timestamp it if they're claiming equivalence somewhere.
    Watched the second one, it says exactly what's been said before - they migrated from the Balkans, nothing about them being equivalent to Hittites.
  • AnastasiosAnastasios Registered Users Posts: 28
    edited September 2020
    The problem exists because it is mistranslated from Greek.
    The Dardania of the Balkans is different from the Dardanelles of the Hellespont.
    In Anatolia the right thing to do is "Dardanélia" and not "Dardania".

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Dardanelles
  • AdmiralJelloAdmiralJello Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 525

    The problem exists because it is mistranslated from Greek.
    The Dardania of the Balkans is different from the Dardanelles of the Hellespont.
    In Anatolia the right thing to do is "Dardanélia" and not "Dardania".

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Dardanelles

    Huh? The Greek adjective Δαρδάνιος, α, ον -- Dardanian, in other words -- is used in the epic cycle as a metonym for Trojan.

    Similarly, Δαρδανία is used as one of Troy's many names.

    People are confusing classical period Illyrians with an archaic period literary name for Bronze Age Anatolians. The Dardanoi of the Greek epic poetry are Trojans and have zero to do with Illyrians or Thracians.
  • XalekXalek Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 330
    The Dardanians and the Trojans had closely tied blood and they were one of the ruling house holds within troy itself, as Admiral has stated, there are two recorded versions of the Dardanians in history, the ones referred to in the Illiad and the ones represented in game are Anatolian and the Dardanelles is named in their honour because they as a people supposedly lived around that area. The other connotation of Dardanians does refer to Illyrians and Thracians or people closely related to that culture which resided above Greece and its surrounding area, however you must remember at this time in history no one refered to themselves as "greek" or "Anatolian", atleast thats what Homer thought, hence why he names the Greeks in the book the "Argives, Acheans and Danaans", the Naming of culture groups during the writing of the book was unknown to him



  • DdnetDdnet Registered Users Posts: 12
    1- The Hittites were located in the middle and east of Anatolia.

    2- The capital city was in north-central Anatolia (Hattuşaş - Corum/Boğazköy in modern Turkey)

    3- There was a union of city states called Arazwa in western Anatolia. (Assuva in the game)

    4- The Arazwa and Hittites often had hostile relationships

    5- Troy is mean (W)ilusa in Hittite language. (W)ilusa-ilusa-ilion well mean Troy

    6- Troy was generally loyal to the Hittites. (But Troy in the Arazwa Union and Arazwa city-states could sometimes make separate -from other Arazwa citys- agreements with the Hittites.)

    7- The Dardanels in the Arazwa union i think. ( There is the city of Dardanel (maybe name isnt Dardanel) in the north of Troy, but research is not possible. Because no money... :D)

    8 Troy Museum has a Youtube channel. But just Turkish language... :/

    Signature: An archeology student from Turkey

    Thanks.. :)
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