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Mo74Mo74 Junior MemberPosts: 23Registered Users
edited December 2011 in Napoleon: Total War
Hi all,
Still wondering about picking up NTW, worried that the campaigns might be too limited, ie not sandbox. I understand the first French campaigns are episodes that have limited goals but when you play as France on the Europe campaign (as Nap) can you achieve victory how you want?
Is playing as a coalition nation in Europe like the sandbox campaign of ETW, although I expect you have victory conditions to fulfill?
Thanks for any replies.
Mo.
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  • DenmarkRulesDenmarkRules Senior Member Behind you :OPosts: 3,195Registered Users
    edited August 2011
    You are absolutely right! Everything except for the first few small Nappy campaigns is just as much sandbox as it has always been!
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  • E'dolloE'dollo Senior Member Posts: 128Registered Users
    edited August 2011
    There is somewhat of a limited scope as the Coalition as its not only your goal to capture the victory regions but you have the large task of defeating Napoleon as well, no matter what anyone anyone says hes there and he want stop conquering until he reaches the steppes of Moscow. And there are some AI *****s as well in the coalition. But the Napoleon Europe campaign is great fun as you can declare war on everyone eventually and get away with it. But yeah its somewhat like Empire just not as large. :)
  • ntwfanntwfan Senior Member Posts: 615Registered Users
    edited August 2011
    I think NTW has low replayability because Napoleon's goal is pretty fixed and he won't stop until he reaches Moscow. If you're in the coalition campaign, there's some flexibility as Prussia where you can attack Russia first instead of France. But because Napoleon's armies are so powerful, eliminating the Russians will also give him more room to strengthen his army even more. So your tactics are pretty much focused on trying to beat him as your ultimate goal either way in the game. And once you capture Paris, the climax is gone although you can choose to continue the campaign after achieving your coalition campaign victory conditions. Btw, my nic here is just random and not because I play NTW everyday.
  • ColfaxColfax Senior Member Posts: 967Registered Users
    edited August 2011
    I dont know, every couple of months I find myself replaying the Italian and Egyptian campaigns because they are so short. They only take an hour or sometimes two. I think the idea for Napoleon works best there because CA clearly wanted more generals ie commanders involved on the battlefield.
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  • The WeaverThe Weaver Senior Member Posts: 2,184Registered Users
    edited August 2011
    I've played several campaigns as a Grand Coalition power - Britain, Prussia or Russia, usually - and I actually never get tired of it, for some strange reason. Each campaign is different, and poses different challenges, and even when the campaign goals are met, if I continue playing I find new challenges. It is not essential to conquer all of France, by the way - in a recent campaign I cornered Napoleon in Russia, and he sued for peace and was left with several armies he couldn't afford all crowded together on the island of Corsica, completely bankrupt and growing old disgracefully. By the end of that campaign I was making over 100,000 a turn, had conquered most of Europe, and had taken pity on the French to the degree that they were my allies and I was regularly giving them money in the hope that they would get out of hock and actually start doing something again. But no.
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  • ColfaxColfax Senior Member Posts: 967Registered Users
    edited August 2011
    Plus, I forgot to add this. I think of all of the Total War Titles, Napoleon had by far the best Soundtrack. It is to want to replay it.
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  • Imperial DaneImperial Dane Banned Posts: 27Banned Users
    edited August 2011
    Seems perfectly replayable to me. Already had a bit of fun as the french and the Austrians and now i'm moving on to the russians. One has to keep in mind that the AI can be a bit.. unhelpful and downright dimwitted at times, at other times it can provide a bit of fun :)

    Otherwise best i can suggest to keep things interesting is make your own decisions :p Usually the most fun to be had is when you do something which isn't quite anticipated or might seem a bit.. ill thought out.
  • Madra RuaMadra Rua Member Posts: 51Registered Users
    edited August 2011
    Replayability that depends on the player does it not I have clocked up 1700 hours plus in single player. So for me I probably will never tire of it.
  • ntwfanntwfan Senior Member Posts: 615Registered Users
    edited August 2011
    Colfax wrote: »
    Plus, I forgot to add this. I think of all of the Total War Titles, Napoleon had by far the best Soundtrack. It is to want to replay it.
    I used to think so too, until I heard this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCpthvRpPqw
    Guess I've been in a banzai mood for the last 5 months!
  • hjleedmahjleedma Junior Member Posts: 4Registered Users
    edited September 2011
    I like to play napoleon and give a region to prussia and have them be my ally. I need to have them stay put for a while. I always attack england first. their navy is a pain the but and their army is always the hardest to beat. Once I get england and do not take them but sell them to other country. What I like to do is to liberate scotland and then give away england to them. They love it and they will be your ally to the end and I also do the same with ireland and give wales to them. I then go back to europe and then I also have all my allies in germanic country and kingdom of italy fight russia and austria and then slowly i get austrian regions... then vienna goes out easily. russia I like to take a boat all the way to the black sea and march straight to moscow during summer times.
  • Capt_Smith77Capt_Smith77 Junior Member Posts: 11Registered Users
    edited September 2011
    For those still wondering if Napoleon is worth the purchase, go out and buy it. It's by far the best total war game of the entire series, including Empire TW and Shogun2 TW.

    There's a reason for Napoleon being released so soon after ETW, and it has to do with Empire being a broken game upon release. In fact it's still broken and not worth the $$. Napoleon was the first to be released where you could actually play it as is, and both the land and sea battles are a lot smoother play with a tougher AI in the mix. Artillery is also deadly in this one.

    Replayability isn't much of an issue either, as you're able to download a mod that allows you to play as just about every faction in the game. I've played as Sweden before, and ended up purchasing Ireland from the Brits, only to lose Sweden to the Russians and have Napoleon, the Ottomans, and Brits all sending troops to Ireland to take me out, which they eventually did.

    Playing as one of the Italian factions is also fun, as you can expect to battle with the Austrians and eventually Napoleon himself will come knocking.

    The only gripes I have with the game are some of the glaring ones, but nothing that prevents fun and often times time consuming play.

    1. Diplomacy is broken, but more so because you start out at war with other nations and have very little chance at peace. In a since it's a rigged game team wise, but don't for a second think that Empire TW isn't rigged as well with the *past grievance* that you cannot turn off at the start of each game. This a must option for any future games.

    2. Spain is very passive- This *might* be because their home city has trouble building troops. I've had this problem before playing as Spain, and had to tear down a military building more than twice to be able to train troops. There seems to be a bug when upgrading the building, but this may just be related to the Mod that allows the human player to have control of Spain. Either way, there needs to be some more action in the case of Spain. They have a solid military and navy and there's no excuse for them to be as passive as they are.

    3. Reinforcements- It still lacks a proper way of bringing in reinforcements. Also the troop count should be higher, as cannon are deadly in this one, and range units have a higher kill rate than in Empire. I've also found that it's rare to have a third army in the mix. Normally all you can do is add a stack of cav and infantry, and consider it a late show to the battle.

    4. Other nations seem to be passive on the building of their economy, and fail to repair damaged ships. They're also passive with the trade income available to them.

    5. Navies- It would be nice if nations would build up their navies so you could have some more conflict at sea. The sea battle are quite enjoyable, and often time it's a wasted commodity in this game as there aren't too many naval engagements. Wish the AI would build more capital ships. There also needs to be an off switch that prevents trade ships from attacking other navies. I know that it's total war but give me a break. Go find a trade slot already. Same goes for ETW.
  • ntwfanntwfan Senior Member Posts: 615Registered Users
    edited September 2011
    Replayability isn't much of an issue either, as you're able to download a mod that allows you to play as just about every faction in the game. I've played as Sweden before, and ended up purchasing Ireland from the Brits, only to lose Sweden to the Russians and have Napoleon, the Ottomans, and Brits all sending troops to Ireland to take me out, which they eventually did.
    For me, replayability is an issue not because I can't play all factions but because the map is dominated by a few major factions that limit the strategic options in the Coalition campaigns. It's 1806 in my Prussian campaign (replayed) and I've conquered Denmark and Sweden, with no allies except Hessen and Saxony as my protectorates. I was preparing to invade Russia when for no reason, Austria attacks Saxony although the French are closing in on Vienna! France did not declare war on me maybe because I allied with their ally the Ottomans. As I only had four full armies, I had no choice but to give up my Russian invasion and attack Austria from the east (Poland) while France squeezes them from the opposite direction in the west. Of course, the Austrians are doomed and Napoleon is grinning because I'm making his work so much easier. In my past attempted campaign as Prussia, I was allied to Austria, but they still attacked my protectorate Saxony anyway.

    Lesson: Fighting any one major faction in NTW (except Britain) appears to give their rival a huge unfair advantage, and this is especially an issue for Prussia. Attack France and Austria backstabs you. Attack Austria and France expands even faster then attacks you. Attack Russia, and Berlin is vulnerable to surprise attacks by France and Austria. Except for Britain (which I've completed), I don't know how the other factions are replayable because the strategic choices seem to be rather limited for the above reason.
  • Madra RuaMadra Rua Member Posts: 51Registered Users
    edited December 2011
    Its now 2005 hours and no special present from CA, as I celeberate witH a bottle of Chateauneuf-du-pape 2004. Still the best game for me.
  • dge1dge1 Moderator Arkansas, USAPosts: 10,267Registered Users, Moderators
    edited December 2011
    I played through all the Napoleon campaigns on Normal and Hard, through all the Coalition faction on normal, and about half on hard. I enjoyed the gameplay, the graphics are great, and even did some MP.

    Don't know why really but I just stopped playing, and have not really had any desire to return. I still play Empire, with all it quirks and bugs, almost all the time. Just not interested in playing Napoleon anymore. I really cannot give a reason why.
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  • leviathleviath Member Posts: 55Registered Users
    edited December 2011
    Don't forget the "all playable nations" mod. Playing the coalition campaign as Spain is a lot of fun !
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