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If they did do Cathay how likely would Nippon be?

XxXScorpionXxXXxXScorpionXxX Registered Users Posts: 2,505
Its likely they'd be running out of things to include at this point. But every game has had 2 Race Pack DLC's. Beastmen, Wood Elves. Tomb Kings, Vampire Coast.

So assuming we get a pre order race pack(Kislev) and the 4 base factions that have army books left(Daemons, Ogres, Chaos Dwarfs, Dogs of War). And the big assumption that they'll create a race from complete scratch like Cathay for their first DLC race pack. Whats the likely hood of getting Nippon next?

They'd be a little further east than Cathay and if they included the island they might as well shrink the pacific and let the world map wrap around.

Nippon from the start was my most wanted of the lesser factions. Japanese mythology is both rich and marketable.
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  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,702
    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 19,999
    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    We don’t know the reason why Araby was killed. Araby being decomfirmed has no impact on anything else than Araby.
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  • veresh1989veresh1989 Russia, Saint-PetersburgRegistered Users Posts: 4,365
    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    Rumor has it they are afraid to do Araby for obvious reasons, lol

    With Cathay there are no such problems and it will bring a lot of money. As and Nippon


  • EmeraldThanatosEmeraldThanatos Registered Users Posts: 1,869
    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    It’s not that they can’t, it’s that they won’t. Cathay is still on the table
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  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,702
    Don't Araby and Cathay ride the same boat?

    Both of them are fanmade.
  • Cortes31Cortes31 Registered Users Posts: 1,562
    Even if we get Cathay, which is already a pretty big IF on its own despite me hoping for it, I would consider Nippon unlikely.

    It would be more then enough for the Map to end at the coast of Cathay without even touching Nippon itself.
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 19,999
    jamreal18 said:

    Don't Araby and Cathay ride the same boat?

    Both of them are fanmade.

    No, each race is in its own boat.
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  • Cortes31Cortes31 Registered Users Posts: 1,562
    jamreal18 said:

    Don't Araby and Cathay ride the same boat?

    Both of them are fanmade.

    Both are 100% official, though they have been barely fleshed out compared to the likes of races with armybooks.
  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 6,274
    edited December 2020

    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    Rumor has it they are afraid to do Araby for obvious reasons, lol

    With Cathay there are no such problems and it will bring a lot of money. As and Nippon
    Rumour knows nothing, CA already had historical muslim factions in a couple of their games. It's probably because GW already knows what races will be featured in the Old World reboot, so they want to promote them. Kislev and maybe Cathay are in, Araby is not.
  • veresh1989veresh1989 Russia, Saint-PetersburgRegistered Users Posts: 4,365
    Xenos7777 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    Rumor has it they are afraid to do Araby for obvious reasons, lol

    With Cathay there are no such problems and it will bring a lot of money. As and Nippon
    Rumour knows nothing, CA already had historical muslim factions in a couple of their games. It's probably because GW already knows what races will be featured in the Old World reboot, so they want to promote them. Kislev and maybe Cathay are in, Araby is not.
    Historical games are one thing, fantasy games are another. Do you know what gin means in their culture? There are still a lot of nuances. You need to know the culture. I suspect that CA did not want to experience this kind of risk.


  • yolordmcswagyolordmcswag Registered Users Posts: 3,593
    I think there is a decent chance for Cathay, but I strongly doubt Nippon will be it's own race. Probably just placeholder factions with Cathay units and their own namelist, like Kislev is currently.

    If the third game does extremely well they might have a chance, although CA has so far focused mostly on lord packs, so I would not count on it.
  • ROMOBOYROMOBOY Registered Users Posts: 3,633
    Cathay is already stretching it. So Nippon is definitely out of the question.
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    Cathay > Chaos Dwarfs = Pain

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  • XxXScorpionXxXXxXScorpionXxX Registered Users Posts: 2,505
    Just saying, when have Samurai, Ninja, Oni, and Dragons not sold well? There is definitely a market to appeal to the mythology and fantasy aspects of cultures.
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  • xBlood_RavenxBlood_Raven Registered Users Posts: 763
    At the moment, any race (bar Araby sadly) is technically possible due to the inclusion of Norsca and the Vampire Coast (and the ability to create LLs and units). It's just a case of whether CA and GW want to implement them.

    If Cathay did make it then Nippon would have a chance as Cathay would open up the Far East. Only time will tell.
  • ROMOBOYROMOBOY Registered Users Posts: 3,633

    Just saying, when have Samurai, Ninja, Oni, and Dragons not sold well? There is definitely a market to appeal to the mythology and fantasy aspects of cultures.

    Oh most definitely. It would be awesome. But that would mean GW would have to rush the lore-making and design of Nippon in time for WH3’s release. I just think that’s way too unlikely.
    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

    Cathay > Chaos Dwarfs = Pain

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  • jdidjdjjdidjdj Registered Users Posts: 96
    you are getting confused. none of those will arrive
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 13,207
    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    Because the fact Araby wasn't included doesn't equate to Cathay not being included.
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 19,999
    jdidjdj said:

    you are getting confused. none of those will arrive

    Any facts to back up that claim or just your own personal guesswork?
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  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,702
    ArneSo said:

    jamreal18 said:

    Don't Araby and Cathay ride the same boat?

    Both of them are fanmade.

    No, each race is in its own boat.
    Both are fanmade. What makes them different to each other?
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 19,999
    jamreal18 said:

    ArneSo said:

    jamreal18 said:

    Don't Araby and Cathay ride the same boat?

    Both of them are fanmade.

    No, each race is in its own boat.
    Both are fanmade. What makes them different to each other?
    No Araby and Cathay aren’t fanmade. Araby in fact had as a much official stuff as Norsca and the Vampire Coast, probably more. But for some reason CA and GW didn’t want to add them.
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  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 6,274

    Xenos7777 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    Rumor has it they are afraid to do Araby for obvious reasons, lol

    With Cathay there are no such problems and it will bring a lot of money. As and Nippon
    Rumour knows nothing, CA already had historical muslim factions in a couple of their games. It's probably because GW already knows what races will be featured in the Old World reboot, so they want to promote them. Kislev and maybe Cathay are in, Araby is not.
    Historical games are one thing, fantasy games are another. Do you know what gin means in their culture? There are still a lot of nuances. You need to know the culture. I suspect that CA did not want to experience this kind of risk.
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  • General_HijaltiGeneral_Hijalti Registered Users Posts: 2,986
    Xenos7777 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    Rumor has it they are afraid to do Araby for obvious reasons, lol

    With Cathay there are no such problems and it will bring a lot of money. As and Nippon
    Rumour knows nothing, CA already had historical muslim factions in a couple of their games. It's probably because GW already knows what races will be featured in the Old World reboot, so they want to promote them. Kislev and maybe Cathay are in, Araby is not.
    Why would Cathay be in the old world reboot when it is very far away from the old world, and does not appear on the maps that they have shown.
  • damon40000damon40000 Registered Users Posts: 491
    If cathay is already scratching lore for content, then Nippon will be straight made up stuff, not gonna happen

    Also Norsca was stolen content from warriors of chaos, same way beastmen are non-factor and nuisance without chaos invasion
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  • jdidjdjjdidjdj Registered Users Posts: 96
    none will arrive. They don't have enough units in the lore. it is impossible. they would have to invent everything
  • jdidjdjjdidjdj Registered Users Posts: 96
    not to mention the map
  • veresh1989veresh1989 Russia, Saint-PetersburgRegistered Users Posts: 4,365
    Xenos7777 said:

    Xenos7777 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    If CA can't make Araby, why should they make Cathay?

    Rumor has it they are afraid to do Araby for obvious reasons, lol

    With Cathay there are no such problems and it will bring a lot of money. As and Nippon
    Rumour knows nothing, CA already had historical muslim factions in a couple of their games. It's probably because GW already knows what races will be featured in the Old World reboot, so they want to promote them. Kislev and maybe Cathay are in, Araby is not.
    Historical games are one thing, fantasy games are another. Do you know what gin means in their culture? There are still a lot of nuances. You need to know the culture. I suspect that CA did not want to experience this kind of risk.
    The djinns appear in the Quran just like the Leviathan appears in the Bible.
    In their culture, they are evil spirits, like the devil with devils in Christians. In Arabia, genies are one of the main types of troops.


  • MalalTheRenegadeMalalTheRenegade Registered Users Posts: 370

    At the moment, any race (bar Araby sadly) is technically possible due to the inclusion of Norsca and the Vampire Coast (and the ability to create LLs and units). It's just a case of whether CA and GW want to implement them.

    If Cathay did make it then Nippon would have a chance as Cathay would open up the Far East. Only time will tell.

    Even if I'd love to see Cathay (and Araby - Nippon is maybe too minor to be included ... or as a "sub-culture" for Cathay ?), this kind of statement needs to be nuanced.

    CA can't even develop new aspects of already existing factions (see the Bretonnia debacle) so I'm not sure anymore that they can just make up a whole faction.
  • DeadpoolSWDeadpoolSW Registered Users Posts: 2,208
    After Cathay and Hobgoblin Khanate, it could be a possibility- but of all the minor races (even Araby) I expect Nippon/Ind the least. I would much rather they went back and added in Araby/Albion/Amazons first.
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  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 19,999
    jdidjdj said:

    none will arrive. They don't have enough units in the lore. it is impossible. they would have to invent everything

    jdidjdj said:

    not to mention the map

    Again, just your own personal guesswork.
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 13,207
    Cathay is more likely because the directly interact with the Ogre Kingdoms and CA could get away with adding part of Cathay rather than Grand Cathay. It would be a substantial stretch of the map to bring in Nippon.
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