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So does Slaanesh have Aenarion's soul?

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  • Mogwai_ManMogwai_Man Registered Users Posts: 4,972
    edited April 19

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 3,848
    Surge_2 said:

    That’s so Goddamm stupid.

    I thought it was a good story, very in line with their old personalities, although it might look strange without the full book for context.
    I just meant the part of Slaanesh being able to call dibs on all elf souls wherever they may be.
    That's perfectly within the lore though?
    In 40K yes, in Fantasy and AoS, Elves didn't create Slaanesh and their gods are still alive, so it's much more strange a choice.
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • sykallsykall Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,768
    By the way, why weren't the phoenix kings souls released when slaanesh was first captured and cut open?
    I mean those are very important amd probably very powerful souls that contained a part of an essence of an elven god of old. The main god at that. Even if the new elven gods had no immediate use for them, it is kinda strange to just leave them there until Morathi rolled in.
    Filling the white spots - 7 made-up factions to enrich the empty parts of the WFB setting
    https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/288418/filling-the-white-spots-7-made-up-factions-to-fill-out-the-wfb-setting
  • yolordmcswagyolordmcswag Registered Users Posts: 3,733

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaneesh claiming elven souls became canon in 8th edition, before the end times.
    sykall said:

    By the way, why weren't the phoenix kings souls released when slaanesh was first captured and cut open?
    I mean those are very important amd probably very powerful souls that contained a part of an essence of an elven god of old. The main god at that. Even if the new elven gods had no immediate use for them, it is kinda strange to just leave them there until Morathi rolled in.

    I'm not sure how much choice they had in the matter, and the vast majority of old elven souls still remained within Slaneesh. Slaneesh might also have been keeping the more important souls more guarded, Morathi's gambit had some serious drawbacks and allowed a Slaneesh to free a big chunk of it's essence. It's possible the elven gods were careful to avoid something like that when they first captured Slaneesh.
  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 32,690
    sykall said:

    By the way, why weren't the phoenix kings souls released when slaanesh was first captured and cut open?
    I mean those are very important amd probably very powerful souls that contained a part of an essence of an elven god of old. The main god at that. Even if the new elven gods had no immediate use for them, it is kinda strange to just leave them there until Morathi rolled in.

    The elf souls were released in the reverse order that they were devoured, hence why the Sea Elves, the last Slaanesh got, came out first and became the Idoneth.

  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 5,938
    Maelas said:

    Surge_2 said:

    That’s so Goddamm stupid.

    I thought it was a good story, very in line with their old personalities, although it might look strange without the full book for context.
    I just meant the part of Slaanesh being able to call dibs on all elf souls wherever they may be.
    That's perfectly within the lore though?
    In 40K yes, in Fantasy and AoS, Elves didn't create Slaanesh and their gods are still alive, so it's much more strange a choice.
    Hmm I thought it was still a toss up and Slaanesh could steal them away.
    Beastmen

  • TancredQuenellesTancredQuenelles Registered Users Posts: 731

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 3,848
    Surge_2 said:

    Maelas said:

    Surge_2 said:

    That’s so Goddamm stupid.

    I thought it was a good story, very in line with their old personalities, although it might look strange without the full book for context.
    I just meant the part of Slaanesh being able to call dibs on all elf souls wherever they may be.
    That's perfectly within the lore though?
    In 40K yes, in Fantasy and AoS, Elves didn't create Slaanesh and their gods are still alive, so it's much more strange a choice.
    Hmm I thought it was still a toss up and Slaanesh could steal them away.
    Well it is, in 8th edition at least, but it's a retcon. Before, Elven souls just went in their afterlife, which makes sense, because Elven Gods are as strong as ever in Fantasy.
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • Mogwai_ManMogwai_Man Registered Users Posts: 4,972

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
    Which is still canonical material. End Times and AoS officially happened whether anyone likes it or not.
  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 32,690

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
    You can hold whatever headcanon you want, but at the same time any new material will go by the established GW canon and ignore what you think should have happened instead.

  • TancredQuenellesTancredQuenelles Registered Users Posts: 731

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
    Which is still canonical material. End Times and AoS officially happened whether anyone likes it or not.
    As well as Storm of Chaos is canonical - and I choose this variant it has more respect to the lore. And you are again mixing canon and intellectual property))
  • TancredQuenellesTancredQuenelles Registered Users Posts: 731

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
    You can hold whatever headcanon you want, but at the same time any new material will go by the established GW canon and ignore what you think should have happened instead.
    Any new material - It d work if they did not retcon back to previous more canonical variants - so no - new is not canon or not canon question. Its just current company designers decision.
  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 32,690

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
    You can hold whatever headcanon you want, but at the same time any new material will go by the established GW canon and ignore what you think should have happened instead.
    Any new material - It d work if they did not retcon back to previous more canonical variants - so no - new is not canon or not canon question. Its just current company designers decision.
    As long as GW holds the IP, yes it is. What you think should be canon is irrelevant, that's not your decision to make.

  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,221

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
    You can hold whatever headcanon you want, but at the same time any new material will go by the established GW canon and ignore what you think should have happened instead.
    Any new material - It d work if they did not retcon back to previous more canonical variants - so no - new is not canon or not canon question. Its just current company designers decision.
    As long as GW holds the IP, yes it is. What you think should be canon is irrelevant, that's not your decision to make.
    AoS and ET have no impact on the game so they are largely irrelevant

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 5,938
    Storm of Chaos was retconned no?
    Beastmen

  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 32,690
    edited April 19

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
    You can hold whatever headcanon you want, but at the same time any new material will go by the established GW canon and ignore what you think should have happened instead.
    Any new material - It d work if they did not retcon back to previous more canonical variants - so no - new is not canon or not canon question. Its just current company designers decision.
    As long as GW holds the IP, yes it is. What you think should be canon is irrelevant, that's not your decision to make.
    AoS and ET have no impact on the game so they are largely irrelevant
    This is about what's canon, and AoS and ET are canon. The game allowing deviating from it is irrelevant here. You can kill Abaddon in BFGA2 too, but that won't make it canon.

  • Mogwai_ManMogwai_Man Registered Users Posts: 4,972

    If we are speaking about warhammer high elf souls belong to Morai-Heg and stay near waystones. Sorry, Slaanesh - feed on your treacherous dark elves and do not hope EoT or AOS have to do something lorevise with warhammer fantasy - what GW did - well, lots of owners of intellectual property bothered not about settings and made utter crap contradicting it - look at the last Star Wars trilogy or Masquarade)

    Slaanesh has devoured them, but many have been slowly released since slaanesh is imprisoned right now. AoS is the sequel to whfb so yeah they're connected.
    You are speaking about EoT ans AoS crap - its not about warhammer fantasy lore. Better Storm of Chaos than this stupid crap.
    Which is still canonical material. End Times and AoS officially happened whether anyone likes it or not.
    As well as Storm of Chaos is canonical - and I choose this variant it has more respect to the lore. And you are again mixing canon and intellectual property))
    Storm of Chaos was retconned.
    Surge_2 said:

    Storm of Chaos was retconned no?

    Yeah it was.
  • CanuoveaCanuovea Registered Users, Moderators Posts: 15,302
    edited April 20
    My understanding is that Aenarion's Soul was not taken by Slaanesh during the period of the Old World's existence. His ghost was present on the Isle of the Dead during some point of the End Times, I believe. But uh, afterwards? With the isle sunk and the waystones cast down?

    Canonically, Slaanesh ate well. During the Endtimes.
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  • yolordmcswagyolordmcswag Registered Users Posts: 3,733
    Canuovea said:

    My understanding is that Aenarion's Soul was not taken by Slaanesh during the period of the Old World's existence. His ghost was present on the Isle of the Dead during some point of the End Times, I believe. But uh, afterwards? With the isle sunk and the waystones cast down?

    Canonically, Slaanesh ate well. During the Endtimes.

    Aenarion's ghost was the only one not present. The reason was that the other "false" phoenix kings(in Asuryan's eyes at least) needed to make amends for taking a throne not theirs. But the book explicitly said that Aenarion's ghost was the only one not present, as he owed the elves nothing after the sacrafices he made.
  • TancredQuenellesTancredQuenelles Registered Users Posts: 731
    Retconned means it was not canon at the time - canon is a hard scale to judge, yep? Eltarion was ok then blind then ok again what is canon?)) What you choose and prefer and what is most in the spirit of universe and no contradictions - EoT is contradicting logic of the setting, so why is it canon - managers not loving the setting decided it for you - then go after them, I d stay with canon created by those who invented the setting.
  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 2,220

    Retconned means it was not canon at the time - canon is a hard scale to judge, yep? Eltarion was ok then blind then ok again what is canon?)) What you choose and prefer and what is most in the spirit of universe and no contradictions - EoT is contradicting logic of the setting, so why is it canon - managers not loving the setting decided it for you - then go after them, I d stay with canon created by those who invented the setting.

    That is not how a corporate-owned IP's canon works.
    Storm of Chaos is not canon.
    End Times is canon, no matter how much pretty much we all agree that it's the single worst thing to ever happen to the franchise.
    Current canon is: 8th edition, anything older that doesn't contradict 8th edition, End Times and Age of Sigmar.
    It's not our decision to make.
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