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Something about the Chaos Wastes that you MAY not know

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  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 11,250
    RamsesIII said:

    Surge_2 said:

    That Reckoning game REALLY deserved better, its style was 100% on point.

    *Ahem* if you miss the game/wanted to play it, I suggest that you look it up on Google and check what's been going on with it recently, you might be pleasantly surprised.
    How is it? I've some experience with private servers (WoW) and its not been really positive.
    Kneel

  • MisterSquidMisterSquid Florida, USARegistered Users Posts: 2,133
    A sad day indeed when the forums have been so overrun that highly-respected veterans like @Crossil and @Red_Dox are getting multiple disagrees for well-reasoned, logical arguments.
    Remember: there's no reason to get angry on the forums. Be polite and respectful towards other people's opinions, even if you disagree.

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  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    Surge_2 said:

    RamsesIII said:

    Surge_2 said:

    That Reckoning game REALLY deserved better, its style was 100% on point.

    *Ahem* if you miss the game/wanted to play it, I suggest that you look it up on Google and check what's been going on with it recently, you might be pleasantly surprised.
    How is it? I've some experience with private servers (WoW) and its not been really positive.
    Google "Return of Reckoning"
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Red_DoxRed_Dox Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 6,282
    edited May 2021
    ArneSo said:

    @Red_Dox
    Where are these guys from? Haven't seen them before.

    Love their model and really hope we get something like that for WH3.

    AoS.
    From what exactly I can't tell you. I keep a lose eye on the miniature range because every now and then they make something that looks good and not too "AoS".
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-Corvus-Cabal-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Khorne-Bloodreavers
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-Untamed-Beasts-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warcry-Spire-Tyrants-2020
    Those would imo be good AoS examples, which with a bit toning down, might be fit into WHFB good enough.

    And then you have those things
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Kairic-Acolytes
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-Cypher-Lords-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-The-Unmade-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-The-Splintered-Fang-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-Iron-Golem-2019
    which scream AoS and imo do not really fit into WHFB or the Norse/Kurgan/Hung descriptions at all.

    -----Red Dox
  • RamsesIII#4621RamsesIII#4621 Registered Users Posts: 1,173
    Surge_2 said:

    RamsesIII said:

    Surge_2 said:

    That Reckoning game REALLY deserved better, its style was 100% on point.

    *Ahem* if you miss the game/wanted to play it, I suggest that you look it up on Google and check what's been going on with it recently, you might be pleasantly surprised.
    How is it? I've some experience with private servers (WoW) and its not been really positive.
    I could not tell you much about the in-game experience since I'm not a big MMO fan, but I can at least tell you it's got a pretty active community (generally passionate about the setting too since the game's mainstream presence is nearly non-existent), and the total lack of monetization helps make a healthy playerbase. I know some youtubers who enjoy it more than WoW, but yeah, I suggest taking a look in other forums for players' experiences. Loremaster of Sotek for example has done some streams playing the game if you're looking for gameplay videos.
  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,603
    Surge_2 said:

    RamsesIII said:

    Surge_2 said:

    That Reckoning game REALLY deserved better, its style was 100% on point.

    *Ahem* if you miss the game/wanted to play it, I suggest that you look it up on Google and check what's been going on with it recently, you might be pleasantly surprised.
    How is it? I've some experience with private servers (WoW) and its not been really positive.
    I haven't played a lot of it but I did run in a few bugs, nothing major though. Overall it's a good experience so far.

  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,603
    Red_Dox said:

    ArneSo said:

    @Red_Dox
    Where are these guys from? Haven't seen them before.

    Love their model and really hope we get something like that for WH3.

    AoS.
    From what exactly I can't tell you. I keep a lose eye on the miniature range because every now and then they make something that looks good and not too "AoS".
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-Corvus-Cabal-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Khorne-Bloodreavers
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-Untamed-Beasts-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warcry-Spire-Tyrants-2020
    Those would imo be good AoS examples, which with a bit toning down, might be fit into WHFB good enough.

    And then you have those things
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Kairic-Acolytes
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-Cypher-Lords-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-The-Unmade-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-The-Splintered-Fang-2019
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaves-To-Darkness-Iron-Golem-2019
    which scream AoS and imo do not really fit into WHFB or the Norse/Kurgan/Hung descriptions at all.

    -----Red Dox
    I could actually see some of the Unmade and Splintered Fang models in Fantasy, the simpler ones at least.

  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180
    edited May 2021
    I have to admit, it's quite ironic that I find the unaligned Cypher Lords to look better than the Kairos acolytes as Tzeentch warriors. Plus their warfare is described as being based on illusions and decoys, and that's very thematic.



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180
    Also, can we agree that this is a very goofy looking model ?

    That itself should be an argument against having AoS units
  • ArneSo#7705ArneSo#7705 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,069
    Maelas said:

    Also, can we agree that this is a very goofy looking model ?

    That itself should be an argument against having AoS units

    That model looks amazing.
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  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,603
    Maelas said:

    Also, can we agree that this is a very goofy looking model ?

    That itself should be an argument against having AoS units

    It's very goofy and that's why I love it. Warhammer always had a goofy side.

  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    Maelas said:

    Also, can we agree that this is a very goofy looking model ?

    That itself should be an argument against having AoS units

    It doesn't look bad... but it's overdesigned like most AoS stuff.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • GerardofthetitanGerardofthetitan Registered Users Posts: 445
    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

  • GerardofthetitanGerardofthetitan Registered Users Posts: 445
    Maelas said:

    Also, can we agree that this is a very goofy looking model ?

    That itself should be an argument against having AoS units

    Muh personal opinion.

    To me it's twisted and awesome.
  • RamsesIII#4621RamsesIII#4621 Registered Users Posts: 1,173
    Maelas said:

    Also, can we agree that this is a very goofy looking model ?

    That itself should be an argument against having AoS units

    Not my favorite Tzeentch-related model, but absolutely nothing about this goes against the designs of Tzeentch daemons. If anything, Tzeentch is THE god of weird, anachronistic, visually contrasting designs, and I hope his race's visuals draw some inspiration from Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower among other stuff.
  • GerardofthetitanGerardofthetitan Registered Users Posts: 445
    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm afraid to tell you that all the 4 Greater Daemons shown in the Trailer are right from AoS, with Bloodthirster from ET.

    This little ugly crap is the unique WHFB version of the Keeper of Secret.



    CA and GW choose the AoS Keeper of Secrets instead. So goooooooooood.

  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,603

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm afraid to tell you that all the 4 Greater Daemons shown in the Trailer are right from AoS, with Bloodthirster from ET.

    This little ugly crap is the unique WHFB version of the Keeper of Secret.


    CA and GW choose the AoS Keeper of Secrets instead. So goooooooooood.



    There's also this artwork where we can see the furies are using the Fantasy model instead of the AoS one so not everything is going to use the AoS model.


  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    edited May 2021

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm afraid to tell you that all the 4 Greater Daemons shown in the Trailer are right from AoS, with Bloodthirster from ET.

    This little ugly crap is the unique WHFB version of the Keeper of Secret.



    CA and GW choose the AoS Keeper of Secrets instead. So goooooooooood.

    They didn't choose the AoS Keeper of Secrets. They chose the updated model of the Keeper of Secrets.

    And the main issue those old models had wasn't the design, but quite simply the casting tech.

    As you see here, the Box clearly says "40k" and "AoS




    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180


    CA and GW choose the AoS Keeper of Secrets instead.

    No, they chose the actualizedl KoS. It's not an AoS model, no more than it's a 40K model.
  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,603
    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    That statement isn't clear enough if you ask me. They say they won't use AoS stuff and then we saw a few AoS models in the trailer so where is the actual limit ? Can they only use the AoS models of units that exist in Fantasy or will they be allowed to bring some units from AoS ? Imo they never should have made that statement or they should've been more clear.

  • ArneSo#7705ArneSo#7705 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,069
    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    HAHAHAHAHA You still believe that statement?
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    edited May 2021
    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    HAHAHAHAHA You still believe that statement?
    So far... I'd say that a CGI trailer isn't really counterproof. Why? Because otherwise, if we apply the same logic, we have standard bearers in the game because they are in teh CGI trailer for Game 1.

    And none of you brought any actual evidence aside of the CGI trailer using the updated models for all greater Daemons.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180
    RamsesIII said:

    Maelas said:

    Also, can we agree that this is a very goofy looking model ?

    That itself should be an argument against having AoS units

    Not my favorite Tzeentch-related model, but absolutely nothing about this goes against the designs of Tzeentch daemons. If anything, Tzeentch is THE god of weird, anachronistic, visually contrasting designs, and I hope his race's visuals draw some inspiration from Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower among other stuff.
    I don't think they are daemons tho, if I recall they are heavily mutated mortal sorcerers !
    Still, liking it or not is subjective, and both opinions are legit. At least that I can admit !
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180
    Neodeinos said:

    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    That statement isn't clear enough if you ask me. They say they won't use AoS stuff and then we saw a few AoS models in the trailer so where is the actual limit ? Can they only use the AoS models of units that exist in Fantasy or will they be allowed to bring some units from AoS ? Imo they never should have made that statement or they should've been more clear.
    Eh, as of today, I don't see a single AoS unit in WH3. I see updated daemons, but those are cross-IPs and are shared with 40K. The furies, as you've said, kept their classical look. For now, I have no reason to doubt the veracity of this claim !
  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,603
    Maelas said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    That statement isn't clear enough if you ask me. They say they won't use AoS stuff and then we saw a few AoS models in the trailer so where is the actual limit ? Can they only use the AoS models of units that exist in Fantasy or will they be allowed to bring some units from AoS ? Imo they never should have made that statement or they should've been more clear.
    Eh, as of today, I don't see a single AoS unit in WH3. I see updated daemons, but those are cross-IPs and are shared with 40K. The furies, as you've said, kept their classical look. For now, I have no reason to doubt the veracity of this claim !
    Yeah I think the statement will remain true but still, it should be more clear so people aren't confused what to expect and you can see that happens a lot.

  • RamsesIII#4621RamsesIII#4621 Registered Users Posts: 1,173

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm afraid to tell you that all the 4 Greater Daemons shown in the Trailer are right from AoS, with Bloodthirster from ET.

    This little ugly crap is the unique WHFB version of the Keeper of Secret.



    CA and GW choose the AoS Keeper of Secrets instead. So goooooooooood.

    They didn't choose the AoS Keeper of Secrets. They chose the updated model of the Keeper of Secrets.

    And the main issue those old models had wasn't the design, but quite simply the casting tech.

    As you see here, the Box clearly says "40k" and "AoS




    Maelas said:


    CA and GW choose the AoS Keeper of Secrets instead.

    No, they chose the actualizedl KoS. It's not an AoS model, no more than it's a 40K model.
    To be fair, one could pose the question: is a model that's from both 40k and Age of Sigmar better than one that comes only from Age of Sigmar?

    I know, I know, these are just updated daemon models and I agree that's much easier to justify than things that were made purely for AoS. I'd still argue that I wouldn't assume what CA's "no Age of Sigmar stuff" statement entails, especially in regards to using those designs, partially or completely. Let's not forget they've got the possible "loophole" of GW potentially putting a few AoS units as playable in the The Old World with a different lore behind their look.
  • Bies#4376Bies#4376 Junior Member SwedenRegistered Users Posts: 5,725

    perfect as tzeentch cultists <3

    "I shivered at the sight of her - her beauty far beyond that of mortal man. But her soul glowed with an inner darkness that chilled my very core."









  • RamsesIII#4621RamsesIII#4621 Registered Users Posts: 1,173
    Maelas said:

    RamsesIII said:

    Maelas said:

    Also, can we agree that this is a very goofy looking model ?

    That itself should be an argument against having AoS units

    Not my favorite Tzeentch-related model, but absolutely nothing about this goes against the designs of Tzeentch daemons. If anything, Tzeentch is THE god of weird, anachronistic, visually contrasting designs, and I hope his race's visuals draw some inspiration from Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower among other stuff.
    I don't think they are daemons tho, if I recall they are heavily mutated mortal sorcerers !
    Still, liking it or not is subjective, and both opinions are legit. At least that I can admit !
    They are in a bit of a weird spot. My AoS lore is pretty incomplete but from what I understand they have mortal origins but are daemonic in their current nature, as they're described as both in different canonical sources. They're probably kind of similar to daemon princes in their idea but with a different purpose and focus in mind.

    I personally kinda like some other designs better even though I don't dislike them, though they do have a pretty specific context in AoS so I wouldn't expect them to come to game 3 even if CA chooses to bring in some of the newer daemon units. We'll see!
  • PoorManatee6197PoorManatee6197 Registered Users Posts: 2,491
    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    HAHAHAHAHA You still believe that statement?
    Can you show us proof about that statement being false? And no, greater demons dont count, one thing is using the updated model of something that existed in fantasy and other thing is taking an original AoS unit or character and using it in fantasy.
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