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Naygir_Killaz · May 2021

Minor nitpick but can I just vent my disappointment on why Kislevite warriors have the name of their country written on their shields like this?

It's not even in written in tasteful cyrillic to give off that slavic vibe but just wonky english letters as if they were a sports cheerleading group or something.

Also apparently these guys according Verkovich are called Kislev guard ,probably replacing the Kreml guard as Kislev's T4 infantry and let me just say that man, they look bad. I wish they took inspiration from Bannerlord's elite Sturgia units stead.

mightygloin#2446 · May 2021

maccabbee said:
Minor nitpick but can I just vent my disappointment on why Kislevite warriors have the name of their country written on their shields like this?

Because

Kislev.

Anyway it's super early to make judgments. I mean some things are even probably placeholders.

Hondlis#2158 · May 2021

What is more striking is that kislev warriors are bigger men than most fearsome individuals in whole warhammer universe.

Can definitely use some juice.

Dumbledood#5172 · May 2021

I like the way the units look, but I kinda agree the Kislev written on the shield there isn't my favorite. Shield designs are cool though.

DeadpoolSW#7283 · May 2021

I'm not that sure about the bright colours on the shields, it's a bit too celtic/Albion for my liking (more a preference thing than anything else though).

Naygir_Killaz · May 2021

Hondlis said:
What is more striking is that kislev warriors are bigger men than most fearsome individuals in whole warhammer universe.

Can definitely use some juice.

I might be crazy but they even look like they're sharing the chaos marauder skeleton.

Maelas · May 2021

The design seems to take after the old Kreml Guard mini, if the pointed helmet is any indication !

Naygir_Killaz · May 2021

DeadpoolSW said:
I'm not that sure about the bright colours on the shields, it's a bit too celtic/Albion for my liking (more a preference thing than anything else though).

I'm not fond of the colors myself. The mixture of bright red and blue doesn't scream kislev to me. Especially for Katarin whose faction uniforms I expected a lot more white and light blue.

Mr_Finley7#4571 · May 2021

You can’t even see the model from that pic so it’s not fair to judge yet.

However, just having “Kislev” slapped on their shields like does look very uninspired.

Hondlis#2158 · May 2021

maccabbee said:

Hondlis said:
What is more striking is that kislev warriors are bigger men than most fearsome individuals in whole warhammer universe.

Can definitely use some juice.
I might be crazy but they even look like they're sharing the chaos marauder skeleton.

We both know they do...
10 % bigger wouldn't hurt them.

LordCommander#3741 · May 2021

And what if they forget what side they are on?

Naygir_Killaz · May 2021

Okay looking again, the kislev guard actually looks a bit bigger than the khornate berserkers.
That is insane.

Nikolabrac#5277 · May 2021

Hondlis said:
What is more striking is that kislev warriors are bigger men than most fearsome individuals in whole warhammer universe.

Can definitely use some juice.

Lorewise Kislevites are practicaly norse but more civilised and chaos hating so it makes sense

Sir_Godspeed#8395 · May 2021

In a lot of old GW art you can see the Imperials write a lot of stuff on their shields, most notably "SIGMAR", so this isn't entirely off-brand.

r3wire · May 2021

Those chaos chosens really look small.
Shouldn't they be large and intimidating like vermintide 2 chaos warriors?

Naygir_Killaz · May 2021

r3wire said:
Those chaos chosens really look small.
Shouldn't they be large and intimidating like vermintide 2 chaos warriors?

I think it's just that those kislev warriors are massive beef cakes. Look at the size of their calves and their girths. They're comically huge.

Kn_Gars#2718 · May 2021

maccabbee said:

Also apparently these guys according Verkovich are called Kislev guard ,probably replacing the Kreml guard as Kislev's T4 infantry and let me just say that man, they look bad. I wish they took inspiration from Bannerlord's elite Sturgia units stead.

You can't replace something that never existed in the first place, 'Kreml Guard' was a non-canon unit from an unofficial army list. (And the so called Bohka Palace Guard is an Kossar unit so hybrid rather than heavy infantry.)

We have no idea if the sabre & board infantry which as also seen in the first trailer are anything like a T4 unit, a fancy name does not turn it into a high tier unit.

The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg

Personally I would have prefered the Polish & Muscovite 16th century armour used by the old TT Kislevites but clearly GW is ditching the old designs inspired by history in favour of a fantasy look.

Maelas · May 2021

KN_Gars said:

The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg

Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

It's actual Slav armor design !

Mr_Finley7#4571 · May 2021

Sir_Godspeed said:
In a lot of old GW art you can see the Imperials write a lot of stuff on their shields, most notably "SIGMAR", so this isn't entirely off-brand.

That’s true, but religious slogans were pretty common motifs on shields/standards etc back in the day, and before they had the twin tailed comet everywhere there was really no equivalent without doubling down on the fake Latin which they seemed more hesitant to do with WHFB than 40k

AHumpierRogue#5296 · May 2021

I like the bright red and blue. It's nice to have some color in the armies.

NemoTheElf101#1472 · May 2021

maccabbee said:
Minor nitpick but can I just vent my disappointment on why Kislevite warriors have the name of their country written on their shields like this?

It's not even in written in tasteful cyrillic to give off that slavic vibe but just wonky english letters as if they were a sports cheerleading group or something.

Also apparently these guys according Verkovich are called Kislev guard ,probably replacing the Kreml guard as Kislev's T4 infantry and let me just say that man, they look bad. I wish they took inspiration from Bannerlord's elite Sturgia units stead.

I mean Western Slavs like Czechs, Sorbs, Poles, and Slovaks, as well as many Southern Slavs like Croats and Serbs use Latin letters instead of Cyrillic or Golgathic. Kislev takes many nods from Russia but it's not just fantasy Russia.

Sir_Godspeed#8395 · May 2021

Maelas said:

KN_Gars said:

The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg
Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

It's actual Slav armor design !

Those guys are high medieval, like 1000-1200s. Kislev is more Late Middle Ages - Early Modern Age, so something like 14-1500s, so a few centuries off.

Maelas · May 2021

Sir_Godspeed said:

Maelas said:

KN_Gars said:

The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg
Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

It's actual Slav armor design !
Those guys are high medieval, like 1000-1200s. Kislev is more Late Middle Ages - Early Modern Age, so something like 14-1500s, so a few centuries off.

True, but Warhammer have always played loose with history, and the pointed helmet, if I recall, stayed an household of slavic armor until the late 18th century ! So it's not too outlandish a fashion choice !

But anyways, as was mentionned by another user, the badass integral chainmail look is already a lock for the game, as the Gryphon Legion use it, so that's good news !

Jo_Proulx#5293 · May 2021

That's fine.

When my axe will split that "Kislev" in two only to hack to pieces that sorry excuse of a man holding it, then those fools shall know what faith await every last one of them, their cities and their people.

Azurian · May 2021

joproulx99 said:
That's fine.

When my axe will split that "Kislev" in two only to hack to pieces that sorry excuse of a man holding it, then those fools shall know what faith await every last one of them, their cities and their people.

In fact, these people will invade the realm of chaos and cut out the so-called "Chosen Dark Gods"

Captain_Rex#1635 · May 2021

They look perfect and have a very nice Kievan Rus style.

Xenos777 · May 2021

I agree that the writing on the shield looks terrible. But the rest isn't so bad.

Naygir_Killaz · May 2021

Xenos7777 said:
I agree that the writing on the shield looks terrible. But the rest isn't so bad.

The designs on the shields in the general is too simplistic. Since these guys are probably elite units judging by their armor, I'd expect it to be a lot more ornate looking.

Slayer_Yannir#8069 · May 2021

Sir_Godspeed said:

Maelas said:

KN_Gars said:

The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg
Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

It's actual Slav armor design !
Those guys are high medieval, like 1000-1200s. Kislev is more Late Middle Ages - Early Modern Age, so something like 14-1500s, so a few centuries off.

That doesn't look Medieval at all. Medieval art is only slightly better than stick figures. This looks to be from the 1800's, so it's an artist's interpretation and shouldn't really be taken as "this is how they looked".

Naygir_Killaz · May 2021

Yannir said:

Sir_Godspeed said:

Maelas said:

KN_Gars said:

The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg
Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

It's actual Slav armor design !
Those guys are high medieval, like 1000-1200s. Kislev is more Late Middle Ages - Early Modern Age, so something like 14-1500s, so a few centuries off.
That doesn't look Medieval at all. Medieval art is only slightly better than stick figures. This looks to be from the 1800's, so it's an artist's interpretation and shouldn't really be taken as "this is how they looked".

He's referring to the armor, which matches the types the kievan rus warriors would have worn at the time. Late medieval russian soldiers would have access to brigandines, plate armor and full lamellar armor.

55JoNNo · May 2021

The base model looks great to me with the big fur cloak - a contender to be one of my fave infantry units by what I've seen so far.

As for the shields - I can understand some of the criticisms...just remember that the High Elf shields did in fact change from the garish messes they were in the first trailer to something much cleaner by release.

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