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Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,525
edited May 6 in General Discussion
Minor nitpick but can I just vent my disappointment on why Kislevite warriors have the name of their country written on their shields like this?



It's not even in written in tasteful cyrillic to give off that slavic vibe but just wonky english letters as if they were a sports cheerleading group or something.

Also apparently these guys according Verkovich are called Kislev guard ,probably replacing the Kreml guard as Kislev's T4 infantry and let me just say that man, they look bad. I wish they took inspiration from Bannerlord's elite Sturgia units stead.



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  • mightygloinmightygloin Karaz-a-KarakRegistered Users Posts: 4,993
    edited May 5
    maccabbee said:

    Minor nitpick but can I just vent my disappointment on why Kislevite warriors have the name of their country written on their shields like this?

    Because

    Kislev.

    Anyway it's super early to make judgments. I mean some things are even probably placeholders.
  • HondlisHondlis Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,116
    edited May 5
    What is more striking is that kislev warriors are bigger men than most fearsome individuals in whole warhammer universe.

    Can definitely use some juice.
  • DumbledoodDumbledood Registered Users Posts: 182
    edited May 5
    I like the way the units look, but I kinda agree the Kislev written on the shield there isn't my favorite. Shield designs are cool though.
  • DeadpoolSWDeadpoolSW Registered Users Posts: 2,800
    I'm not that sure about the bright colours on the shields, it's a bit too celtic/Albion for my liking (more a preference thing than anything else though).
    Nagash will rule again!

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  • Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,525
    Hondlis said:

    What is more striking is that kislev warriors are bigger men than most fearsome individuals in whole warhammer universe.

    Can definitely use some juice.

    I might be crazy but they even look like they're sharing the chaos marauder skeleton.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,824
    The design seems to take after the old Kreml Guard mini, if the pointed helmet is any indication !
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,525

    I'm not that sure about the bright colours on the shields, it's a bit too celtic/Albion for my liking (more a preference thing than anything else though).

    I'm not fond of the colors myself. The mixture of bright red and blue doesn't scream kislev to me. Especially for Katarin whose faction uniforms I expected a lot more white and light blue.
  • Mr_Finley7Mr_Finley7 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 6,718
    You can’t even see the model from that pic so it’s not fair to judge yet.

    However, just having “Kislev” slapped on their shields like does look very uninspired.
  • HondlisHondlis Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,116
    maccabbee said:

    Hondlis said:

    What is more striking is that kislev warriors are bigger men than most fearsome individuals in whole warhammer universe.

    Can definitely use some juice.

    I might be crazy but they even look like they're sharing the chaos marauder skeleton.
    We both know they do...
    10 % bigger wouldn't hurt them.
  • LordCommanderLordCommander Registered Users Posts: 2,619
    And what if they forget what side they are on?
    Just as a warning against making predictions- https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/290416/time-to-admit-there-will-be-no-new-dlc-for-twwh-2#latest

    Stung by people disagreeing with you? Try calling them shills and whiteknights, it's way easier than debating.
  • Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,525
    Okay looking again, the kislev guard actually looks a bit bigger than the khornate berserkers.
    That is insane.
  • NikolabracNikolabrac Registered Users Posts: 508
    Hondlis said:

    What is more striking is that kislev warriors are bigger men than most fearsome individuals in whole warhammer universe.

    Can definitely use some juice.

    Lorewise Kislevites are practicaly norse but more civilised and chaos hating so it makes sense
  • Sir_GodspeedSir_Godspeed Registered Users Posts: 3,377
    In a lot of old GW art you can see the Imperials write a lot of stuff on their shields, most notably "SIGMAR", so this isn't entirely off-brand.
  • r3wirer3wire Registered Users Posts: 41
    Those chaos chosens really look small.
    Shouldn't they be large and intimidating like vermintide 2 chaos warriors?
  • Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,525
    r3wire said:

    Those chaos chosens really look small.
    Shouldn't they be large and intimidating like vermintide 2 chaos warriors?

    I think it's just that those kislev warriors are massive beef cakes. Look at the size of their calves and their girths. They're comically huge.
  • KN_GarsKN_Gars Registered Users Posts: 1,638
    maccabbee said:



    Also apparently these guys according Verkovich are called Kislev guard ,probably replacing the Kreml guard as Kislev's T4 infantry and let me just say that man, they look bad. I wish they took inspiration from Bannerlord's elite Sturgia units stead.

    You can't replace something that never existed in the first place, 'Kreml Guard' was a non-canon unit from an unofficial army list. (And the so called Bohka Palace Guard is an Kossar unit so hybrid rather than heavy infantry.)

    We have no idea if the sabre & board infantry which as also seen in the first trailer are anything like a T4 unit, a fancy name does not turn it into a high tier unit.

    The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg

    Personally I would have prefered the Polish & Muscovite 16th century armour used by the old TT Kislevites but clearly GW is ditching the old designs inspired by history in favour of a fantasy look.



  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,824
    edited May 5
    KN_Gars said:


    The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg

    Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

    On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

    It's actual Slav armor design !
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • Mr_Finley7Mr_Finley7 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 6,718

    In a lot of old GW art you can see the Imperials write a lot of stuff on their shields, most notably "SIGMAR", so this isn't entirely off-brand.

    That’s true, but religious slogans were pretty common motifs on shields/standards etc back in the day, and before they had the twin tailed comet everywhere there was really no equivalent without doubling down on the fake Latin which they seemed more hesitant to do with WHFB than 40k
  • KrunchKrunch Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,014
    I like the bright red and blue. It's nice to have some color in the armies.
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,216
    maccabbee said:

    Minor nitpick but can I just vent my disappointment on why Kislevite warriors have the name of their country written on their shields like this?



    It's not even in written in tasteful cyrillic to give off that slavic vibe but just wonky english letters as if they were a sports cheerleading group or something.

    Also apparently these guys according Verkovich are called Kislev guard ,probably replacing the Kreml guard as Kislev's T4 infantry and let me just say that man, they look bad. I wish they took inspiration from Bannerlord's elite Sturgia units stead.



    I mean Western Slavs like Czechs, Sorbs, Poles, and Slovaks, as well as many Southern Slavs like Croats and Serbs use Latin letters instead of Cyrillic or Golgathic. Kislev takes many nods from Russia but it's not just fantasy Russia.
  • Sir_GodspeedSir_Godspeed Registered Users Posts: 3,377
    Maelas said:

    KN_Gars said:


    The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg

    Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

    On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

    It's actual Slav armor design !
    Those guys are high medieval, like 1000-1200s. Kislev is more Late Middle Ages - Early Modern Age, so something like 14-1500s, so a few centuries off.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,824

    Maelas said:

    KN_Gars said:


    The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg

    Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

    On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

    It's actual Slav armor design !
    Those guys are high medieval, like 1000-1200s. Kislev is more Late Middle Ages - Early Modern Age, so something like 14-1500s, so a few centuries off.
    True, but Warhammer have always played loose with history, and the pointed helmet, if I recall, stayed an household of slavic armor until the late 18th century ! So it's not too outlandish a fashion choice !

    But anyways, as was mentionned by another user, the badass integral chainmail look is already a lock for the game, as the Gryphon Legion use it, so that's good news !
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • joproulx99joproulx99 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,254
    That's fine.

    When my axe will split that "Kislev" in two only to hack to pieces that sorry excuse of a man holding it, then those fools shall know what faith await every last one of them, their cities and their people.
    "Fear me mortals, for I am the Anointed, the favored Son of Chaos, the Scourge of the World. The armies of the gods rally behind me, and it is by my will and by my sword that your weakling nations shall fall."

    ~ Archaon, Lord of the End Times
  • AzurianAzurian Registered Users Posts: 2,074

    That's fine.

    When my axe will split that "Kislev" in two only to hack to pieces that sorry excuse of a man holding it, then those fools shall know what faith await every last one of them, their cities and their people.

    In fact, these people will invade the realm of chaos and cut out the so-called "Chosen Dark Gods"
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 24,947
    They look perfect and have a very nice Kievan Rus style.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 7,129
    I agree that the writing on the shield looks terrible. But the rest isn't so bad.
  • Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,525
    Xenos7777 said:

    I agree that the writing on the shield looks terrible. But the rest isn't so bad.

    The designs on the shields in the general is too simplistic. Since these guys are probably elite units judging by their armor, I'd expect it to be a lot more ornate looking.
  • YannirYannir Registered Users Posts: 1,638

    Maelas said:

    KN_Gars said:


    The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg

    Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

    On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

    It's actual Slav armor design !
    Those guys are high medieval, like 1000-1200s. Kislev is more Late Middle Ages - Early Modern Age, so something like 14-1500s, so a few centuries off.
    That doesn't look Medieval at all. Medieval art is only slightly better than stick figures. This looks to be from the 1800's, so it's an artist's interpretation and shouldn't really be taken as "this is how they looked".
    Ugh, I have spoken.
  • Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,525
    Yannir said:

    Maelas said:

    KN_Gars said:


    The Bannerlord unit is a cavalryman from the look of the image, his equivalent would be the elite Gryphon Legion which looks like this in GW's concept art https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/kqzqsGpYNbbeq6Ia.jpg

    Damn, I forgot about that concept art. So freaking cool !

    On the Kislev Guard look, their armor look pretty close to those in this actual russian painting :

    It's actual Slav armor design !
    Those guys are high medieval, like 1000-1200s. Kislev is more Late Middle Ages - Early Modern Age, so something like 14-1500s, so a few centuries off.
    That doesn't look Medieval at all. Medieval art is only slightly better than stick figures. This looks to be from the 1800's, so it's an artist's interpretation and shouldn't really be taken as "this is how they looked".
    He's referring to the armor, which matches the types the kievan rus warriors would have worn at the time. Late medieval russian soldiers would have access to brigandines, plate armor and full lamellar armor.
  • 55JoNNo55JoNNo Registered Users Posts: 2,121
    The base model looks great to me with the big fur cloak - a contender to be one of my fave infantry units by what I've seen so far.

    As for the shields - I can understand some of the criticisms...just remember that the High Elf shields did in fact change from the garish messes they were in the first trailer to something much cleaner by release.

    Bohemond for game 3 please!

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