Welcome

Please register for Total War Access to use the forums. If you're an existing user, your forum details will be merged with Total War Access if you register with the same email or username. For more information please read our FAQ’s here.

Categories

The problem with making LL's more interesting via skill trees...

Theo91Theo91 Registered Users Posts: 2,665
... is it becomes even more infuriating confederating those LL's and finding out the ai levelled them up badly.

Please CA let us respec lords!!

PS while you update that, please add a feature to auto level up lords/ heroes
«1

Comments

  • IamNotArobotIamNotArobot Registered Users Posts: 5,400
    Maybe in the future but not now.
    *Justice, cats and CONFEDERATION ENABLED for the Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast! feat mummies and Apophas.
    *Exclusive DLCs for Tomb Kings, Vampire Coast, BM, CW and WE! #DLCsAreRacesToo
    *Remaster all WH1 and WH2 faction icons for WH3!
    *Ogre Kingdoms core race or death!
    *Bring back settlement conquering artworks!
    *Gnoblar Carpet for Greesus
    *Improve UI


  • Theo91Theo91 Registered Users Posts: 2,665
    Is there anything more annoying than beating Grimgor in battle, confederating him and the seeing he has 3 skill points invested in boosting gobbos :(
  • Kebab_manKebab_man Registered Users Posts: 565
    tbh they should just give legendary lords a build order they always upgrade if you don't own them, this would prevent stupid builds
  • 445Aas445Aas Registered Users Posts: 399
    Well that's just because Grimgor is known to be one of the biggest goblin friends.

    Just look how cute he is hugging his happy advisor in the trailer!

    The Ironhide is soft inside.
  • Theo91Theo91 Registered Users Posts: 2,665
    edited July 2021
    445Aas said:

    Well that's just because Grimgor is known to be one of the biggest goblin friends.

    Just look how cute he is hugging his happy advisor in the trailer!

    The Ironhide is soft inside.

    Problem is Wurzzag is no friend of gobbos, and that's how he likes his confederated lords. often i have to rush to confederate grimgor to make sure he doesn't get too soft and start recruiting gobbos
  • aMint1aMint1 Registered Users Posts: 1,202
    The mod works so well that I don't really care if they implement it themselves. Not sure what they could do that would be an improvement on it.
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,591
    Legendary Lords should just have their entire points returned when confederated; running a High Elf campaign late-game and getting Tyrion fully specced on his Heir of Aenarion chain really kills my strategy.
  • DraxynnicDraxynnic Registered Users Posts: 11,023

    Legendary Lords should just have their entire points returned when confederated; running a High Elf campaign late-game and getting Tyrion fully specced on his Heir of Aenarion chain really kills my strategy.

    Have I mentioned the time I confederated Teclis and he had all the lore attributes... and no spells?
  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001
    Theo91 said:

    ... is it becomes even more infuriating confederating those LL's and finding out the ai levelled them up badly.

    Please CA let us respec lords!!

    PS while you update that, please add a feature to auto level up lords/ heroes

    Sorry, why ask for respeccing if you could instead ask for the AI to spec properly instead?

    See, I always think that's because people don't want the AI to properly spec so they can defeat it easier and then respec so they can have their cake and eat it too.

    And that's why I'm opposed to respeccing.
  • The user and all related content has been deleted.
  • HondlisHondlis Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,481
    And add even one better: please teach AI to chose viable skills instead of fully blue line with irrelevant red line to their army comp.
  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001
    edited July 2021

    Theo91 said:

    ... is it becomes even more infuriating confederating those LL's and finding out the ai levelled them up badly.

    Please CA let us respec lords!!

    PS while you update that, please add a feature to auto level up lords/ heroes

    Sorry, why ask for respeccing if you could instead ask for the AI to spec properly instead?

    See, I always think that's because people don't want the AI to properly spec so they can defeat it easier and then respec so they can have their cake and eat it too.

    And that's why I'm opposed to respeccing.
    So your opposed to an easily added respec option, because you then think that means they'll go through the effort actually making the AI pick good options for each race?

    CA's love of work-arounds and/or ignoring makes me doubt that's gonna happen.
    They should go to the effort to make the AI pick proper skills because they already have templates in the database that can be used for this effect. And because the AI would be closer to presenting a proper challenge that way.

    Respeccing is gamey BS that's not needed.
  • Theo91Theo91 Registered Users Posts: 2,665

    Theo91 said:

    ... is it becomes even more infuriating confederating those LL's and finding out the ai levelled them up badly.

    Please CA let us respec lords!!

    PS while you update that, please add a feature to auto level up lords/ heroes

    Sorry, why ask for respeccing if you could instead ask for the AI to spec properly instead?

    See, I always think that's because people don't want the AI to properly spec so they can defeat it easier and then respec so they can have their cake and eat it too.

    And that's why I'm opposed to respeccing.
    Lord spec is preference. How I would like it done is different to other people, that’s why the option to respec would be nice
  • ujopujop Registered Users Posts: 144
    My preferred method would be that confederated lords and heroes had their talent points wiped. This way one can tailor the characters to their needs without abusing a constant respec option.
  • RandirRandir Registered Users Posts: 186
    Why not have both a respecc option and better AI in regards to proper skill tree speccing?
  • capybarasiesta89capybarasiesta89 Senior Member Edinburgh, ScotlandRegistered Users Posts: 5,382
    I just can't confederate without one time respec mod, I am going to play Vanilla after DLC, but hope it will be updated ASAP.
    #JusticeForTzeentch #JusticeForMonogods

    7bmg1fojzz69.jpg
  • HL230P45HL230P45 Registered Users Posts: 377
    edited July 2021
    For Pete's sake, people. There is a mod called "Improved AI skill selection". It is good enough and works smoothely.
  • RandirRandir Registered Users Posts: 186
    HL230P45 said:

    For Pete's sake, people. There is a mod called "Improved AI skill selection". It is good enough and works smoothely.

    Ooo, I've not heard of that one. Been mainly using the one-button respec but will have to give that one a try as well if it improves some of the enemy lords im fighting. Thanks for the recommendation.
  • HL230P45HL230P45 Registered Users Posts: 377
    Randir said:

    HL230P45 said:

    For Pete's sake, people. There is a mod called "Improved AI skill selection". It is good enough and works smoothely.

    Ooo, I've not heard of that one. Been mainly using the one-button respec but will have to give that one a try as well if it improves some of the enemy lords im fighting. Thanks for the recommendation.
    Yes, it does improve them quite a bit. For one they stop taking all their mounts in a row, wasting up to 3 points on that. The author also claims that the blue line skills do not benefit AI at all and thus he has diverted those skill points. There is also a great companion mod for this one called Never Obsolete Legendary Lords which bestows free experience on all AI legendary lords each turn. This allows them to compete with even sack-city cheesers.
  • Xerxes52Xerxes52 Registered Users Posts: 811
    I use a mix of Legendary Confederations to grab the LLs I want at the start, and sometimes their territory, and then Recruit Defeated Legendary Lords to grab the rest later by killing them.
  • ItharusItharus Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,684
    Theo91 said:

    Is there anything more annoying than beating Grimgor in battle, confederating him and the seeing he has 3 skill points invested in boosting gobbos :(

    Yes.

    When you allowed him to grow huge and fat as Skarsnik and he has 68 regions and you're following him around just waiting to klobber him over the back of his head and take EVERYTHING.................


    ....

    .........

    ............

    And AI Clan Eshin uses its ability and destroys the entire faction leaving 68 undefended independent regions and forever robs you of the ability to confederate Grimgor.

    THAT is more ****ing annoying.

    AI should NOT be able to use that ability.
  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 4,709
    aMint1 said:

    The mod works so well that I don't really care if they implement it themselves. Not sure what they could do that would be an improvement on it.

    The mod is great, combine with double skill points and I’m in heaven.

    Theo91 said:

    ... is it becomes even more infuriating confederating those LL's and finding out the ai levelled them up badly.

    Please CA let us respec lords!!

    PS while you update that, please add a feature to auto level up lords/ heroes

    Sorry, why ask for respeccing if you could instead ask for the AI to spec properly instead?

    See, I always think that's because people don't want the AI to properly spec so they can defeat it easier and then respec so they can have their cake and eat it too.

    And that's why I'm opposed to respeccing.
    So your opposed to an easily added respec option, because you then think that means they'll go through the effort actually making the AI pick good options for each race?

    CA's love of work-arounds and/or ignoring makes me doubt that's gonna happen.
    They should go to the effort to make the AI pick proper skills because they already have templates in the database that can be used for this effect. And because the AI would be closer to presenting a proper challenge that way.

    Respeccing is gamey BS that's not needed.
    It is a game.
    BEARS, Beets, Battlestar Galactica 🧝‍♀️ Pandas too please CA!
  • YannirYannir Registered Users Posts: 2,031

    Theo91 said:

    ... is it becomes even more infuriating confederating those LL's and finding out the ai levelled them up badly.

    Please CA let us respec lords!!

    PS while you update that, please add a feature to auto level up lords/ heroes

    Sorry, why ask for respeccing if you could instead ask for the AI to spec properly instead?

    See, I always think that's because people don't want the AI to properly spec so they can defeat it easier and then respec so they can have their cake and eat it too.

    And that's why I'm opposed to respeccing.
    Why not both and make the game as good as it can be?
    Ugh, I have spoken.
  • BayesBayes Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,136
    Yannir said:

    Theo91 said:

    ... is it becomes even more infuriating confederating those LL's and finding out the ai levelled them up badly.

    Please CA let us respec lords!!

    PS while you update that, please add a feature to auto level up lords/ heroes

    Sorry, why ask for respeccing if you could instead ask for the AI to spec properly instead?

    See, I always think that's because people don't want the AI to properly spec so they can defeat it easier and then respec so they can have their cake and eat it too.

    And that's why I'm opposed to respeccing.
    Why not both and make the game as good as it can be?
    Yeah just do both. There are mods for both and they work fine together.
    If you see this lost little fellow please help him find his way home.
  • HL230P45HL230P45 Registered Users Posts: 377
    Itharus said:



    When you allowed him to grow huge and fat as Skarsnik and he has 68 regions and you're following him around just waiting to klobber him over the back of his head and take EVERYTHING.................


    ....

    .........

    ............

    And AI Clan Eshin uses its ability and destroys the entire faction leaving 68 undefended independent regions and forever robs you of the ability to confederate Grimgor.

    THAT is more ****ing annoying.

    AI should NOT be able to use that ability.

    Really? I thought you would stop at a half point. The situation in the first part of your sentence is as annoying to me. That YOU are made able to do just that. To receive everything by smashing one army no matter the state it is in.
  • MiniaArMiniaAr Registered Users Posts: 1,686
    Itharus said:

    Theo91 said:

    Is there anything more annoying than beating Grimgor in battle, confederating him and the seeing he has 3 skill points invested in boosting gobbos :(

    Yes.

    When you allowed him to grow huge and fat as Skarsnik and he has 68 regions and you're following him around just waiting to klobber him over the back of his head and take EVERYTHING.................


    ....

    .........

    ............

    And AI Clan Eshin uses its ability and destroys the entire faction leaving 68 undefended independent regions and forever robs you of the ability to confederate Grimgor.

    THAT is more ****ing annoying.

    AI should NOT be able to use that ability.
    Feel for you man, this sounds dreadful.

    I however like that Eshin can use the ability on AI factions. It adds some randomness and the AI throwing a curveball once in a while is not too bad.
  • RikRiorikRikRiorik Registered Users Posts: 11,659
    Arent’t there respecc mods out there? I get the urge to min max. I regularily do it myself. But I think there is a story element to confederating Lords and seeing what they’ve gone with. However LLs are a bit different. They apready have a fixed story to them and if the AI deviates from it that does feel, icky.
    Itharus said:

    Theo91 said:

    Is there anything more annoying than beating Grimgor in battle, confederating him and the seeing he has 3 skill points invested in boosting gobbos :(

    Yes.

    When you allowed him to grow huge and fat as Skarsnik and he has 68 regions and you're following him around just waiting to klobber him over the back of his head and take EVERYTHING.................


    ....

    .........

    ............

    And AI Clan Eshin uses its ability and destroys the entire faction leaving 68 undefended independent regions and forever robs you of the ability to confederate Grimgor.

    THAT is more ****ing annoying.

    AI should NOT be able to use that ability.
    Oh yes they should. The AI should be able to do what players can. It’s not the AIs fault that it’s a crapolian ability.
    Lord of the Undermountain and your friendly neighbourhood giant (Dwarf)
  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001
    Itharus said:

    Theo91 said:

    Is there anything more annoying than beating Grimgor in battle, confederating him and the seeing he has 3 skill points invested in boosting gobbos :(

    Yes.

    When you allowed him to grow huge and fat as Skarsnik and he has 68 regions and you're following him around just waiting to klobber him over the back of his head and take EVERYTHING.................


    ....

    .........

    ............

    And AI Clan Eshin uses its ability and destroys the entire faction leaving 68 undefended independent regions and forever robs you of the ability to confederate Grimgor.

    THAT is more ****ing annoying.

    AI should NOT be able to use that ability.
    Here's a better idea, remove the Magic Faction Delete Button altogether.
  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 4,709

    Itharus said:

    Theo91 said:

    Is there anything more annoying than beating Grimgor in battle, confederating him and the seeing he has 3 skill points invested in boosting gobbos :(

    Yes.

    When you allowed him to grow huge and fat as Skarsnik and he has 68 regions and you're following him around just waiting to klobber him over the back of his head and take EVERYTHING.................


    ....

    .........

    ............

    And AI Clan Eshin uses its ability and destroys the entire faction leaving 68 undefended independent regions and forever robs you of the ability to confederate Grimgor.

    THAT is more ****ing annoying.

    AI should NOT be able to use that ability.
    Here's a better idea, remove the Magic Faction Delete Button altogether.
    No, bad idea.
    Fun good, not fun grind bad.
    BEARS, Beets, Battlestar Galactica 🧝‍♀️ Pandas too please CA!
  • Theo91Theo91 Registered Users Posts: 2,665
    Itharus said:

    Theo91 said:

    Is there anything more annoying than beating Grimgor in battle, confederating him and the seeing he has 3 skill points invested in boosting gobbos :(

    Yes.

    When you allowed him to grow huge and fat as Skarsnik and he has 68 regions and you're following him around just waiting to klobber him over the back of his head and take EVERYTHING.................


    ....

    .........

    ............

    And AI Clan Eshin uses its ability and destroys the entire faction leaving 68 undefended independent regions and forever robs you of the ability to confederate Grimgor.

    THAT is more ****ing annoying.

    AI should NOT be able to use that ability.
    Does this happen? I didn’t know the ai used that snap ability
Sign In or Register to comment.