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Which faction, in your opinion, has the highest outplay potential?

KalitasKalitas Junior MemberRegistered Users Posts: 7
I'm interested in everyones thoughts on which factions have the highest skillcap and most outplay potential?

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  • RoyalXJRoyalXJ Registered Users Posts: 73
    Typically those are the factions with the most micromanagement, although mage-heavy factions probably also deserve a shout. Bretonnia, to a certain extent Greenskins, Vampire Counts - those factions often either have clear weaknesses to overcome which results in significant strength centred in one area of their gameplan (Bretonnia has bad infantry but usually current cavalry problems excepted, brilliant and versatile cavalry you can learn to make up for and surpass that), ability-heavy gameplay, or an emphasis on units like cavalry or shock infantry that traditionally do a lot of the moment-to-moment play that is most typically associated with razor's-edge "outplay".
  • ValkaarValkaar Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,387
    edited July 2021
    Lol, the Epeen is strong with this thread 🤣😂

    There’s zero correct answer here as nobody is going to agree on what takes the most skill. Some people just view kiting as skill. Others view tackle/flanking is skill. Others think well-timed spell combos are skill, etc. etc.

    ^^And even for those who think all of these things take skill, people will disagree on which takes the MOST ‘skill’. And with no agreement on where skill lies, nobody will agree on who takes ‘the most’, since each faction specializes in a different skill.

    To the extent that this question can be answered (which is to say, not very much), I’d say the wider variety of different things a faction can do gives it more ‘skill potential’. Not because any single style is ‘superior’ to another. But because some factions have the flexibility to execute multiple styles while others can really only do 1-2 things well.

    For example, Lizardmen have a wider variety of styles at their disposal than Vampire Counts. Although they can also do the SAME styles. So the same player could be good at both at the same time, knowing how to build quality Deathstars or execute effective swarmy rushes with both Races. But an Empire-only or Dwarf-only player might feel uncomfortable with the Counts because combined arms, defensive geometry, and kiting aren’t really options for the Counts. But that same Empire/Dwarf player likely could comfortably navigate a few Lizardmen builds, even if they weren’t the same builds the Counts player would be using.

    ^^Having access to this variety has ‘outplay’ potential because your opponent has to randomly guess what style you’re going to go for, and then they can kinda ‘auto-lose’ if they guessed wrong. So in this sense, the Lizardmen have a high amount of ‘outplay’ potential.

    That being said… currently the balance is more broken than usual with most of the recent DLC Races climbing ahead where ‘skill’ doesn’t matter so much as ‘Tuskgor/Oracle + Flock go brrrrr’.
  • KalitasKalitas Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 7
    Valkaar said:

    Lol, the Epeen is strong with this thread 🤣😂

    There’s zero correct answer here as nobody is going to agree on what takes the most skill. Some people just view kiting as skill. Others tackle/flanking is skill. Others think well-timed spell combos are skill, etc. etc.

    ^^And even for those who think all of these things take skill, people will disagree on which takes the MOST ‘skill’. And with no agreement on where skill lies, nobody will agree on who takes ‘the most’, since each faction specializes in a different skill.

    To the extent that this question can be answered (which is to say, not very much), I’d say the wider variety of different things a faction can do gives it more ‘skill potential’. Not because any single style is ‘superior’ to another. But some factions have the flexibility to execute multiple styles.

    ^^Having access to variety has ‘outplay’ potential because your opponent has to randomly guess what style you’re going to go for, and then they can kinda ‘auto-lose’ if they guessed wrong.

    That being said… currently the balance is more broken than usual with most of the recent DLC Races climbing ahead where ‘skill’ doesn’t matter so much as ‘Tuskgor/Oracle + Flock go brrrrr’.

    True. I didn't mean for this to be an "Epeen" thread. Just a discussion about which faction has the most "play" against other factions.
  • RoyalXJRoyalXJ Registered Users Posts: 73
    edited July 2021
    EDIT: this was double-posted, what I actually wrote is further down.
    Post edited by RoyalXJ on
  • zagumaarzagumaar Registered Users Posts: 81
    Wood elves are not easy to play imo and can be very rewarding with good placement
  • RoyalXJRoyalXJ Registered Users Posts: 73
    Valkaar said:

    Lol, the Epeen is strong with this thread 🤣😂

    There’s zero correct answer here as nobody is going to agree on what takes the most skill. Some people just view kiting as skill. Others tackle/flanking is skill. Others think well-timed spell combos are skill, etc. etc.

    ^^And even for those who think all of these things take skill, people will disagree on which takes the MOST ‘skill’. And with no agreement on where skill lies, nobody will agree on who takes ‘the most’, since each faction specializes in a different skill.

    To the extent that this question can be answered (which is to say, not very much), I’d say the wider variety of different things a faction can do gives it more ‘skill potential’. Not because any single style is ‘superior’ to another. But some factions have the flexibility to execute multiple styles.

    ^^Having access to variety has ‘outplay’ potential because your opponent has to randomly guess what style you’re going to go for, and then they can kinda ‘auto-lose’ if they guessed wrong.

    That being said… currently the balance is more broken than usual with most of the recent DLC Races climbing ahead where ‘skill’ doesn’t matter so much as ‘Tuskgor/Oracle + Flock go brrrrr’.

    This is a really good point. Both that it's absolutely subjective, and that typically flexibility begets outplay potential. I'd perhaps argue that outplaying your opponent is more about what you do during the battle rather than being about army composition and playing the meta, but that just comes back to "people think outplaying is different things", so yeah, all around a really good point.
  • HowTheStarsBurnHowTheStarsBurn Registered Users Posts: 657
    It's the Wood Elves
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