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Making Wildwood Rangers a Bit More Flavourful

AlphaomegaAlphaomega Registered Users Posts: 1
edited September 2 in Balancing Discussions
Just a small suggestion to give Wildwood Rangers vanguard deployment or stalk. Their lore tidbit states "an excellent first-response to impending threats" which I think would fit with their theme of being able to ambush their opponents.

I am aware their RoR variant already has vanguard deployment, however I think the Wardens of Cythral are already quite distinct from the standard version and are already sufficiently unique even if the standard version were to have vanguard deployment.
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  • Loupi_Loupi_ Registered Users Posts: 3,147
    vanguard and/or stalk with cost adjustment would make them perfect
  • caladbolgftwcaladbolgftw Registered Users Posts: 235
    They need their damage bonus against creature that can cause fear and terror.
  • The_real_FAUSTThe_real_FAUST Registered Users Posts: 1,668
    Vanguard and remove bvL in Woods.

    Turn into BvFear/Terror
  • User_ClueUser_Clue Registered Users Posts: 1,032

    They need their damage bonus against creature that can cause fear and terror.

    They need their damage bonus against creature that can cause fear and terror.

    I think that's what the BvL is supposed to represent
    "Daemons are abroad again, and the servants of the foul gods march south with the storm at their backs. But as the winds of magic stir, other powers rise to contest it.
    I have seen the Lady, my brothers. She came to me from the waters and told me of the trials to come. This is why I call you here, so that her summons may be answered. I call Errantry, a crusade to strike at the heart of the new darkness"


    -- The Lionhearted
  • Loupi_Loupi_ Registered Users Posts: 3,147
    User_Clue said:

    They need their damage bonus against creature that can cause fear and terror.

    They need their damage bonus against creature that can cause fear and terror.

    I think that's what the BvL is supposed to represent
    But it doesn't do a very good job, it's mostly going to be used vs cavalry and only works in forest blob type build. Getting rid of the forest condition can only be a good thing and making it a specialised bonus vs fear/terror is much more interesting, and won't make them stronger vs most cavalry.

  • BovineKingBovineKing Registered Users Posts: 744
    That’s cool idea bonus vs fear/terror
  • User_ClueUser_Clue Registered Users Posts: 1,032
    Loupi_ said:

    User_Clue said:

    They need their damage bonus against creature that can cause fear and terror.

    They need their damage bonus against creature that can cause fear and terror.

    I think that's what the BvL is supposed to represent
    But it doesn't do a very good job, it's mostly going to be used vs cavalry and only works in forest blob type build. Getting rid of the forest condition can only be a good thing and making it a specialised bonus vs fear/terror is much more interesting, and won't make them stronger vs most cavalry.

    If CA can do that then sure, it would be better. I'm not sure how they would do it though unless they added a new entity type or something. Or maybe give them a bonus if a fear causing unit is nearby?
    "Daemons are abroad again, and the servants of the foul gods march south with the storm at their backs. But as the winds of magic stir, other powers rise to contest it.
    I have seen the Lady, my brothers. She came to me from the waters and told me of the trials to come. This is why I call you here, so that her summons may be answered. I call Errantry, a crusade to strike at the heart of the new darkness"


    -- The Lionhearted
  • BovineKingBovineKing Registered Users Posts: 744
    It has occurred to me though that this would make it near impossible for any undead faction to win against WE.
  • The_real_FAUSTThe_real_FAUST Registered Users Posts: 1,668
    It's something slayers should have also thinking about it. Perhaps for terror.

    I'm not sure wildwood rangers even with BvFear/terror would be a meta spam pick vs vamp counts, coast or kings

    Armour isn't really common vs wood elves and those races don't have plenty of it but they do all have the ability to destroy light armour units like WW Rangers.

  • Loupi_Loupi_ Registered Users Posts: 3,147

    It has occurred to me though that this would make it near impossible for any undead faction to win against WE.

    skabscrath would still handle them, but in my 'forest combat change' thread i suggested to make it an antilarge bonus and leadership effect that activates when fear/terror is nearby (30m). That way you dont have to worry about it being a bonus vs undead infantry.
  • BovineKingBovineKing Registered Users Posts: 744
    Loupi_ said:



    skabscrath would still handle them, but in my 'forest combat change' thread i suggested to make it an antilarge bonus and leadership effect that activates when fear/terror is nearby (30m). That way you dont have to worry about it being a bonus vs undead infantry.

    Yeah was mostly them being good vs infantry so that could work.
  • Lotus_MoonLotus_Moon Registered Users Posts: 11,682
    Imagine being able to cast aspect of the dreadnight on opponent so than your WWR get a bonus vs them :P that would be quite funny lmao
  • Loupi_Loupi_ Registered Users Posts: 3,147

    Imagine being able to cast aspect of the dreadnight on opponent so than your WWR get a bonus vs them :P that would be quite funny lmao

    lol that would be funny, but it would only help if the unit they were fighting was large.
  • Lotus_MoonLotus_Moon Registered Users Posts: 11,682
    Loupi_ said:

    Imagine being able to cast aspect of the dreadnight on opponent so than your WWR get a bonus vs them :P that would be quite funny lmao

    lol that would be funny, but it would only help if the unit they were fighting was large.
    why? should be bonus vs fear/terror so even vs small, maybe they get say +5MA if there is a fear causer within 10m of them etc.
  • Loupi_Loupi_ Registered Users Posts: 3,147

    Loupi_ said:

    Imagine being able to cast aspect of the dreadnight on opponent so than your WWR get a bonus vs them :P that would be quite funny lmao

    lol that would be funny, but it would only help if the unit they were fighting was large.
    why? should be bonus vs fear/terror so even vs small, maybe they get say +5MA if there is a fear causer within 10m of them etc.
    I think its better for balance if it just works vs large fear/terror otherwise it makes them stronger vs undead infantry, phoenix guard, dryads which isnt really what they are meant to be. Id make the effect +15BvL, +5LD when fear/terror is close by.
  • Lotus_MoonLotus_Moon Registered Users Posts: 11,682
    Loupi_ said:

    Loupi_ said:

    Imagine being able to cast aspect of the dreadnight on opponent so than your WWR get a bonus vs them :P that would be quite funny lmao

    lol that would be funny, but it would only help if the unit they were fighting was large.
    why? should be bonus vs fear/terror so even vs small, maybe they get say +5MA if there is a fear causer within 10m of them etc.
    I think its better for balance if it just works vs large fear/terror otherwise it makes them stronger vs undead infantry, phoenix guard, dryads which isnt really what they are meant to be. Id make the effect +15BvL, +5LD when fear/terror is close by.
    i dunno to me they shuld not be anti large, that is what asrai spears should be, they should be anti fear so yes vs undead and etc
  • saweendrasaweendra Registered Users Posts: 15,466
    or you know just remove the forest BvL and give stalk and or vanguard

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • The_real_FAUSTThe_real_FAUST Registered Users Posts: 1,668

    Loupi_ said:

    Loupi_ said:

    Imagine being able to cast aspect of the dreadnight on opponent so than your WWR get a bonus vs them :P that would be quite funny lmao

    lol that would be funny, but it would only help if the unit they were fighting was large.
    why? should be bonus vs fear/terror so even vs small, maybe they get say +5MA if there is a fear causer within 10m of them etc.
    I think its better for balance if it just works vs large fear/terror otherwise it makes them stronger vs undead infantry, phoenix guard, dryads which isnt really what they are meant to be. Id make the effect +15BvL, +5LD when fear/terror is close by.
    i dunno to me they shuld not be anti large, that is what asrai spears should be, they should be anti fear so yes vs undead and etc
    This is the side I fall on as well.

    I dont like the cross over with asrai spears they currently have. Ha ING an a tuve effect vs an enemy trait is quite an interesting one and offers some more build fidelity.
  • BovineKingBovineKing Registered Users Posts: 744
    I mean I mostly use the RoR only. Maybe just give them a defensive buff rather than a attack damage bonus.
  • caladbolgftwcaladbolgftw Registered Users Posts: 235

    I mean I mostly use the RoR only. Maybe just give them a defensive buff rather than a attack damage bonus.

    They are damage dealer ****, not spear wall or specialist monster hunter. They are hunter of terror because they work in wildwood, the scariest place second to the chaos realm. They needs a special role that separates them from being a typical anti-large halberdier.

  • Gilgamesh1Gilgamesh1 Registered Users Posts: 898
    Vanguard would be cool but they would Need a slight cost adjustement or other stats tweaks as that does not comes for free

    But yeah, i'm all for making units more interesting to take
  • Lotus_MoonLotus_Moon Registered Users Posts: 11,682

    Vanguard would be cool but they would Need a slight cost adjustement or other stats tweaks as that does not comes for free

    But yeah, i'm all for making units more interesting to take

    thats assuming they are good with their current stats and worth the gold tag, which if they were would not need a buff to begin with.

    I think vangaurd is a great idea for them to see play from time to time.
  • Gilgamesh1Gilgamesh1 Registered Users Posts: 898

    Vanguard would be cool but they would Need a slight cost adjustement or other stats tweaks as that does not comes for free

    But yeah, i'm all for making units more interesting to take

    thats assuming they are good with their current stats and worth the gold tag, which if they were would not need a buff to begin with.

    I think vangaurd is a great idea for them to see play from time to time.
    Yeah i assumed that because i think they are good, but i'm not a WE main so i haven't tried them extensively and i might be wrong. 0 problem in admitting that

    They have tons of traits which are rarely all useful at the same time, which makes them hard to use and weird. Maybe some of these could be swapped for something more "stable" like Vanguard or whatnot

    On the other hand, they have very good stats and can punch way above their weight in a square engagement, so i would be careful in buffing them too much

  • BovineKingBovineKing Registered Users Posts: 744
    edited August 5


    Yeah i assumed that because i think they are good, but i'm not a WE main so i haven't tried them extensively and i might be wrong. 0 problem in admitting that

    They have tons of traits which are rarely all useful at the same time, which makes them hard to use and weird. Maybe some of these could be swapped for something more "stable" like Vanguard or whatnot

    On the other hand, they have very good stats and can punch way above their weight in a square engagement, so i would be careful in buffing them too much

    They’re kinda middle of road I agree their base stats really shouldn’t be touched don’t break what doesn’t need fixing. Mostly people dislike the passive overlap with spear dancers. I don’t have huge preference as I dislike spear dancers.
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