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Do you like the build-able barricades, platforms, towers, etc... in MIDDLE of BATTLE?

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  • Steph_F_DavidSteph_F_David Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,493
    Not if they pop up immediately.
    During battle set up phase.
    Or even mid game, if takes some times to raise, and maybe a specialized unit to to that.
  • duglandtoto#9722duglandtoto#9722 Registered Users Posts: 444
    If this "God Button" can be explained from a lore perspective, why not? But they did not and I don't like it because a faction shouldn't be able to summon from nowhere if they don't master dark powers like the undead, they shouldn't be able to build barricades in 2 microseconds, they shouldn't be able to heal if they don't control the lore of life, and most importantly, no forces from the mortal realm should be able to summon all of these defenses in the realm of Chaos itself.

    As I said, they never explained how this kind of thing could be possible, so I strongly reject it as it is presented now.
  • HeresyHoundHeresyHound Registered Users Posts: 8,285
    It happens exclusively mid-battle in one very specific battle mode that you apparently only do a couple times in campaign.

    Why would I care either way?
  • davedave1124#4773davedave1124#4773 Senior Member St Helens UKRegistered Users Posts: 21,449
    If it’s in a realm without physical rules then yes it’s fine.
  • Commissar_G#7535Commissar_G#7535 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 15,826

    If it’s in a realm without physical rules then yes it’s fine.

    So a video game?
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  • Steph_F_DavidSteph_F_David Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,493

    If this "God Button" can be explained from a lore perspective, why not? But they did not and I don't like it because a faction shouldn't be able to summon from nowhere if they don't master dark powers like the undead, they shouldn't be able to build barricades in 2 microseconds, they shouldn't be able to heal if they don't control the lore of life, and most importantly, no forces from the mortal realm should be able to summon all of these defenses in the realm of Chaos itself.

    As I said, they never explained how this kind of thing could be possible, so I strongly reject it as it is presented now.

    Actually, reinforcement is the only one making sense. There could be a portal allowing units to move from normal realm to chaos realm. That's the healing and insta build which make little sense
  • hendo#1695hendo#1695 Registered Users Posts: 3,001
    I think my preference or thoughts are that deployables are fair game in the deployment phase.

    I'm not a fan of mid-battle building. The survival battles might be the exception. I am not a fan of the battle pacing for the series. Adding more micro without making adjustments elsewhere does not make me very excited.

    That is my biggest issue with it—the impact on the already way too fast pacing of battles. I am actually part of the small percentage that plays the battles, so it's a critical piece for me (I still hope it will be addressed).

    I will say, when possible, buildable structures should be already erected, and they become under your control similar to towers in sieges.
  • davedave1124#4773davedave1124#4773 Senior Member St Helens UKRegistered Users Posts: 21,449

    If it’s in a realm without physical rules then yes it’s fine.

    So a video game?
    I meant the warp, but sure a video game as well.
  • Teegan2004Teegan2004 Registered Users Posts: 86
    It allows for a lot of strategic maneuverability. You can easily retreat a position and construct a new defensive spot as you are being over run adding more tactics than before.
  • WarlockeWarlocke Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,083

    If it’s in a realm without physical rules then yes it’s fine.

    Yeah. If every there was a place to will a siege tower or barricade into existence, it would be in a realm of pure thought. This actually checks out for me.
    ò_ó
  • Ferestor#5771Ferestor#5771 Registered Users Posts: 1,313

    Mid regular battle no. Survival yes. Siege during deployment yes.

    This guy get it!
  • AnnoyedOneEyedGuyAnnoyedOneEyedGuy Registered Users Posts: 2,484
    jamreal18 said:

    For me, I don't like it. It removes the realism of the game.

    A structure suddenly popping from the ground anytime is not believable and feels like cheating.

    Instant towers, instant barricade, etc... hmmmmmm....

    almost like summoning magic and units out of no where right? schmuck
  • AnnoyedOneEyedGuyAnnoyedOneEyedGuy Registered Users Posts: 2,484
    dont like it? than dont build anything its that simple
  • Lotor12#2810Lotor12#2810 Registered Users Posts: 963
    edited September 2021
    I only saw it in WH 3 promotion video, and no I do not like it

    I would like, if same "sappers" units can build barricades during ("in the middle of") battle

    But especially (heavy machine gun) towers - I do not like it; looks like it turns battle in to "tower defense" game

    Edit: but in special survival battles can be fine,
  • FrostPaw#5051FrostPaw#5051 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,226
    No I dislike conjured structures during a battle. Building them before battle, during setup feels better to me.
  • Cyresdog#8125Cyresdog#8125 Registered Users Posts: 1,481
    Also another way to handle this would be a special Stance for it.
    Encampment for example, that you get the chance to place structures in the deployment phase when getting attacked while in that stance.

  • MGH1#5018MGH1#5018 Member Registered Users Posts: 274

    Mid regular battle no. Survival yes. Siege during deployment yes.

    This
  • Cyresdog#8125Cyresdog#8125 Registered Users Posts: 1,481

    Mid regular battle no. Survival yes. Siege during deployment yes.

    I would like it personally more if those mid survival battle structures have to be build by units, as in, they have to transport stuff for it to the place you wanna build it.
    Like A battering ram type of thing, so you have to protect it till it reaches that point, then gets build up, and then you can use it.
    This "no unit nowhere near and magically a tower appears" approach is just... it feels wrong on so many levels

  • Jam#4399Jam#4399 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 13,068
    edited September 2021

    jamreal18 said:

    For me, I don't like it. It removes the realism of the game.

    A structure suddenly popping from the ground anytime is not believable and feels like cheating.

    Instant towers, instant barricade, etc... hmmmmmm....

    almost like summoning magic and units out of no where right? schmuck
    Summoning Towers and Barricades?

    What is the point of building them before battle starts if you can summon them in an instant right away whenever you want?

    So the settlement walls shall also be summon-able?

    What lore allows you summon tower and barricade?
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,927
    edited September 2021
    The greatest offense here is that there is actually a groundwork for magic being stronger than what is normally shown, just not the way CA made it.

    That is, during Storms of Magic. And since these battles are taking place where magic has the strongest hold, there is some groundwork for magic doing things it doesn't normally.

    The issue is, the costs of using it, in case of miscasts, are also much greater than just a wizard getting themselves hurt. And it overall relies on using special artifacts and structures called Arcane Fulcrums to allow the spellcasters to better control the tempests and thus not being able to cast these spells without them. Yet, they don't appear in the game at all. And of course, it only allows the wizard's own lore of magic to be expanded, not for them to suddenly do whatever they please like healing, summoning, creating structures etc. as if all magic suddenly becomes a big blend of a little bit of everything. Like, say, Lore of Death gained more damage oriented spells, but you don't get healing out of nowhere.

    So yeah, this is a gamey gimmick that CA implemented here, rather than something that would make sense. Which is a shame as there is a nice groundwork for scenarios where magic becomes much more volatile.
    Furthermore, I consider that Daemon Prince must be removed.
  • WarlockeWarlocke Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,083
    jamreal18 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    For me, I don't like it. It removes the realism of the game.

    A structure suddenly popping from the ground anytime is not believable and feels like cheating.

    Instant towers, instant barricade, etc... hmmmmmm....

    almost like summoning magic and units out of no where right? schmuck
    Summoning Towers and Barricades?

    What is the point of building them before battle starts if you can summon them in an instant right away whenever you want?

    So the settlement walls shall also be summon-able?

    What lore allows you summon tower and barricade?
    Well, you can only do this on the special maps in the Chaos Realm, so I suppose the lore that permits this would be that it’s a realm of pure magic.
    ò_ó
  • Dulahan#3120Dulahan#3120 Registered Users Posts: 536
    Warlocke said:

    jamreal18 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    For me, I don't like it. It removes the realism of the game.

    A structure suddenly popping from the ground anytime is not believable and feels like cheating.

    Instant towers, instant barricade, etc... hmmmmmm....

    almost like summoning magic and units out of no where right? schmuck
    Summoning Towers and Barricades?

    What is the point of building them before battle starts if you can summon them in an instant right away whenever you want?

    So the settlement walls shall also be summon-able?

    What lore allows you summon tower and barricade?
    Well, you can only do this on the special maps in the Chaos Realm, so I suppose the lore that permits this would be that it’s a realm of pure magic.
    So far. But plenty of dev comments hint that at least SOME parts of Survival mode will end up in the siege rework, and they have straight up said Quest Battles too.
  • AnnoyedOneEyedGuyAnnoyedOneEyedGuy Registered Users Posts: 2,484
    jamreal18 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    For me, I don't like it. It removes the realism of the game.

    A structure suddenly popping from the ground anytime is not believable and feels like cheating.

    Instant towers, instant barricade, etc... hmmmmmm....

    almost like summoning magic and units out of no where right? schmuck
    Summoning Towers and Barricades?

    What is the point of building them before battle starts if you can summon them in an instant right away whenever you want?

    So the settlement walls shall also be summon-able?

    What lore allows you summon tower and barricade?
    you can summon monsters, ships and units and you're butthurt over something you dont even have to use?
  • Biggles#4266Biggles#4266 Registered Users Posts: 3,079

    jamreal18 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    For me, I don't like it. It removes the realism of the game.

    A structure suddenly popping from the ground anytime is not believable and feels like cheating.

    Instant towers, instant barricade, etc... hmmmmmm....

    almost like summoning magic and units out of no where right? schmuck
    Summoning Towers and Barricades?

    What is the point of building them before battle starts if you can summon them in an instant right away whenever you want?

    So the settlement walls shall also be summon-able?

    What lore allows you summon tower and barricade?
    you can summon monsters, ships and units and you're butthurt over something you dont even have to use?
    Yes, because it's not a thing that can happen in Warhammer even with a wizard there.

    Explain to me how an Empire wizard of Life would be able to summon a tower full of archers while in Altdorf? Give me a decent explanation of that and I'll admit I'm wrong to think it's world breaking.
  • MisterSquid#9555MisterSquid#9555 Florida, USARegistered Users Posts: 2,137
    I don't see why everybody's handwaving it away as magic- I'm pretty sure they're just building it. The animations just don't show the builders due to convenience.
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  • Biggles#4266Biggles#4266 Registered Users Posts: 3,079

    I don't see why everybody's handwaving it away as magic- I'm pretty sure they're just building it. The animations just don't show the builders due to convenience.

    Invisible builders building a barricade in 3 seconds to stop heavy cavalry? Bit of a stretch don’t you think?
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,927
    edited September 2021

    I don't see why everybody's handwaving it away as magic- I'm pretty sure they're just building it. The animations just don't show the builders due to convenience.

    Because building it from nothing, in the middle of hostile territory, in a way that makes them look like they belong to the god that's in control of that territory, is senseless.

    But neither does magic make sense, even in highly saturated areas of magic like the north.
    Furthermore, I consider that Daemon Prince must be removed.
  • LuciferLucifer Member England U.KRegistered Users Posts: 2,177
    jamreal18 said:

    Title...

    *Mid-Battle

    While I like it; major settlements should still have strong walls and have these new abilities to make them even more formidable and defending a lot more fun for attack also.


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  • AnnoyedOneEyedGuyAnnoyedOneEyedGuy Registered Users Posts: 2,484

    jamreal18 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    For me, I don't like it. It removes the realism of the game.

    A structure suddenly popping from the ground anytime is not believable and feels like cheating.

    Instant towers, instant barricade, etc... hmmmmmm....

    almost like summoning magic and units out of no where right? schmuck
    Summoning Towers and Barricades?

    What is the point of building them before battle starts if you can summon them in an instant right away whenever you want?

    So the settlement walls shall also be summon-able?

    What lore allows you summon tower and barricade?
    you can summon monsters, ships and units and you're butthurt over something you dont even have to use?
    Yes, because it's not a thing that can happen in Warhammer even with a wizard there.

    Explain to me how an Empire wizard of Life would be able to summon a tower full of archers while in Altdorf? Give me a decent explanation of that and I'll admit I'm wrong to think it's world breaking.
    katarin can summon a massive ice bear and you're upset about towers and barricades... you're really being butthurt over nothing
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,927
    edited September 2021

    jamreal18 said:

    jamreal18 said:

    For me, I don't like it. It removes the realism of the game.

    A structure suddenly popping from the ground anytime is not believable and feels like cheating.

    Instant towers, instant barricade, etc... hmmmmmm....

    almost like summoning magic and units out of no where right? schmuck
    Summoning Towers and Barricades?

    What is the point of building them before battle starts if you can summon them in an instant right away whenever you want?

    So the settlement walls shall also be summon-able?

    What lore allows you summon tower and barricade?
    you can summon monsters, ships and units and you're butthurt over something you dont even have to use?
    Yes, because it's not a thing that can happen in Warhammer even with a wizard there.

    Explain to me how an Empire wizard of Life would be able to summon a tower full of archers while in Altdorf? Give me a decent explanation of that and I'll admit I'm wrong to think it's world breaking.
    katarin can summon a massive ice bear and you're upset about towers and barricades... you're really being butthurt over nothing
    There's no standard magic that allows such a maneuver. Even in a Storm of Magic scenario. Only some sort of elaborate ritual like what Noctilus did could do that. Most that occurs in Storm of Magic is unit teleportation. And even then, it still requires the use of Arcane Fulcrums.

    Besides, magic is dependent on what lore of magic is being used. I doubt that every single race would suddenly have teleportation magic on the scale depicted here. And Kislev, particularly, doesn't have such magic.

    But I think it would be most egregious for races that don't utilize magic at all. Like the Dwarfs and Khorne.
    Furthermore, I consider that Daemon Prince must be removed.
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